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Old May 12th 20, 10:12 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
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Default Comparison of Anti-Virus software

David_B
Mon, 11 May 2020 21:45:51 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 11/05/2020 16:53, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/10/2020 2:52 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2020 11:52:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/10/2020 10:52 AM, Shadow wrote:

    FWIW, I haven't used a resident AV for ages.... and
I'm on XP. Â Â Â Â Safe hex is the way to go with any OS.



As far as I'm concerned, there are *four* ways to go, and none
of them should be omitted:

Safe Hex
Antivirus program
Antispyware program
Firewall

What you do is of course up to you, not me, but as far as I'm
concerned, relying just on safe hex is foolhardy. There's
always a chance that you will make a mistake some day when
you're very tired, have had too much to drink, having just had
a fight with your spouse, etc.

    A firewall is part of safe Hex




To me, it's something very different.


(two here, one in the router).



Same here.


And I scan with USB-booted AVs quite frequently. I said I don't
use a resident AV.



There's a big difference between the two types. Your frequent
scans can detect malware that has already infected you. A
resident AV can often prevent malware installation, and as far as
I'm concerned, that's what makes it much better.


Such scans *MAY* detect malware (that which is not surrepticiously
hidden!)

    You forgot backups.



No, I didn't. To me, it's also something very different.


I do daily incremental and less often full
backups.



I do much the same.


Hardware can crash.



Yes. And be stolen.


No AV will protect you from that.



Right.



Can a drive-by download install a rootkit?


Maybe. It depends on several factors. Why aren't you all over sony
for the rootkit thing? They not only wrote one, they actually
defended having done it!

If so, such rootkit may never be discovered by a USB-booted AV


Not true. Again, you don't understand (at all) what rootkit is, or
means.

Nobody with a modicum of common sense wiould run Windows XP with
no resident AV. Anyone who does so is a danger to himself and
others.


Cite specific examples of XP being a danger to other systems if it's
online, properly firewalled, properly locked down and used by
someone who is beyond that of a power user.

No scare mongering the world is coming to an end bull**** David, I
want you to post facts to support your claim. In the meantime,
here's a few facts for you to chew on:

1) This post was written on an XP machine that does NOT run any
resident av/am of any kind. It never has.

2) I can vouch for every single file present on this machine, I know
via md5 and sha hashing that no files have been tinkered with in a
negative manner. This computer is clean, aside from a folder that
has my old work in it. No malware of any kind is resident - And
unlike some people David, you can't make the claim that malware
could be hiding and I wouldn't be able to tell. I would. I've done
it for a living.

I use this computer every day, no infection issues. Explain, David.

*NEVER CLICK ON A LINK POSTED BY SHADOW*!


Why not? He hasn't posted links pointing to a known windows based
executable malware. You have though, and you knew what the file was,
because you told him, since he didn't use a machine that would run
it, he was safe. That was so nice of you, David. What about the
machines that could run it? Any word of advice for them?

The url shadow shared is the truthful page warning people about your
tendency to stalk. People have the right to know what they are
getting themselves into when/if the opt to interact with you. You
don't have any right to muzzle us so you can continue fishing for
people to exploit and abuse.

The site owner asked you to specify what if any inaccurate
statements or claims about you are on the site; You specified ONE
username as being not yours. And, that's ALL you submitted for
correction. So, the rest of the material on the site about you, as
has been said since you demanded it be created, IS TRUE.

You just don't like being reminded of what you are, and you damn
sure don't like it being a simple click away from others learning
about what you are.

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

To put it blunt and short:

YOU! demanded the site be brought up:
23 June 2015: An Internet Stalker named David Brooks of Devon,
England has challenged me to post this picture of him. The why comes
from a Usenet post ( M-ID: )

[Me]
That's me... Do you want yours and Trish's picture on the front page?
With a large "STALKER" banner?


[David Brooks]
I doubt you have the skill to do that. Prove me wrong, Shagnasty.

Do it *NOW*!

So, suitably instructed, I complied.

On 17 November 2015, a person named Nil responded to David Brooks in
a Windows newsgroup where he stalks: "You're a well-known net kook
and stalker. Your fake cutesy nicey-nice facade is completely
ineffective at disguising your obvious and true malignancy. You earn
every rudeness you get. ... He recognizes you as the toxic cancer
you are."
( M-ID: );

And heres where you threatened the site admin;
On 24 July 2019, David Brooks issues a stalking threat:
"I'm quite good at sussing out nasty folk like you. If that page is
still there after the boating season, I'll think up some ways to
make YOUR life a misery, just as you have tried to intimidate me."
( M-ID: )

If you should ever encounter David Brooks, DO NOT give him any
personal information. He is an incorrigible stalker and world's
greatest pest.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=david+brooks+devon&ia=web


https://www.google.com/search?source...d+brooks+devon


And whats with this David G Brooks?

David G. Brooks - Skipper of my own narrowboat! - I am also ...
uk.linkedin.com › boaterdave View David G. Brooks' profile on
LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. David G. ...
Budleigh Salterton, Devon, United Kingdom68 connections.

So, you spent the money from nicks life insurance on the boat, right?

68 connections huh? They should be told more about you, David. I
wonder if that can be arranged...

Also, why are you still keeping a copy of my copyrighted photo on
your dropbox account? You don't have my permission to have it. AND,
you're well aware of the fact you do NOT have my permission for any
of my things. Are you going to delete it yourself, or does dropbox
need to do it for you? And, you can thank the remailer for bringing
it to my attention. I really forgot all about it.

See, David, just another example of you not being what you claim to
be. A good guy doesn't take copies of other peoples things,
especially when they know for a fact already they don't have
permission to make any copies, or retain any copies, or upload any
copies elsewhere. The law doesn't apply to you though, right David?
Everyone else must follow it, but you don't need to. You're special
in that regard, right, David?



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