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Old January 3rd 18, 12:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Java Jive
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Default XP Validation

On 03/01/2018 02:37, Diesel wrote:

Java Jive news Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:31:23 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On 02/01/2018 02:01, Diesel wrote:

I suspect that your failures can be classed under the heading
"Microsoft no longer activates NEW keys"!


ROFL. Actually, no. I suppose I should just save us both some time and
trouble with the ****ing contest and disclose the fact I'm actually a
certified computer technician (comptia as well as novell and a couple
of old hp certs too, oh and a long since expired ms certification that
I didn't give two ****s about when I got it; hence it's expired and has
been for over a decade or more now) with two honorary masters in
computer science and program design.

I've been doing IT professionally for a long time. [blah!]


Yawn!

Though now retired, so did I, for example creating for an international
financial company the UK W9x/W2k builds used on tens of thousands of PCs
here.

So I repeat, cut the bull**** and stick to the facts.

Just how many 'new' keys do you think are out there, anyhow? The hash
for the keys MS released years ago are already on the database the
update service references and they were before those product key
stickers ever shipped out. There's no such thing as a 'new' key in that
sense.


You pretend not to get it, but it seems that actually ...

There's some keys which weren't activated yet as a result of
customers not having them in their possession and/or not actually using
them, but, that doesn't make the key new to MS. It just makes it an
unused key.


.... you do - I am quite happy to call it a 'newly used' or 'previously
unused' key, if you prefer, it doesn't make any difference to the
fundamental point, which is that if a key wasn't used to activate a PC
before a certain date, presumed to be end of support, then it can't be
used now, however apparently legitimately it was obtained, and none of
your parrot talk about previous experience, which I will snip in the
interests of clarity and brevity, makes any difference to that basic truth.

[Big snip of bull****]

Wait, I lied. There's actually another option, but, it's not
exactly a legal one. That is, if you really want to keep XP
pro. You'll have to reinstall it, from scratch though.

No, not really viable, as the rebuilt installation will not get
any updates, not even the ones originally targeting XP.

Wrong answer. You've evidently never heard of WSUS.


I've certainly heard of it, but I've not tried using it an that
situation. But it's still the correct answer in that running
Windows Update won't find any updates.


Who said anything about using Windows update to get the updates?


I said that "the rebuilt installation will not get any updates, not even
the ones originally targeting XP" and that remains true. I'm interested
to find that some or all of them may be available via WSUS, and it's
something I may well investigate, but what I actually wrote above was true.

[Another big snip of bull****, that at a cursory glance looked
sufficiently irrelevant that I didn't bother to read it further]

Buy via eBay a for-spares-or-repairs PC or component from a
similar model and identical make of PC that has a valid, already
activated product key but for which the original PC is known to
be dead and has not been used for quite a while. For example,
many Dell laptops have their XP and Vista Product Keys on a
cover of a compartment on the base, for which I suspect you
could just buy the cover for a few dollars or quid. You may
have to try two or three before you get one that works.

That product key isn't the one that was used to install Windows
on the machine, though. And, the key may/may not be accepted by
Microsoft, especially if it's been used before or used a certain
amount of times already by others who followed the same poorly
thought out advice you offered.


It's based on an actual test I did.


Okay, so for your test, the key on the product sticker was the one used
to load it previously, vs the SLIC key being used in it's place as it
would originally have been if it had been a name brand PC that was
preloaded from factory.


NO IT WASN'T! Stop making an ass of yourself, if you possibly can,
clear your head for just a second or two of all those unfounded ideas of
your own self-importance, and in those few fleeting seconds actually
bother to read exactly what I wrote, which was:

On 02/01/2018 23:31, Java Jive wrote:
They will only re-activate old 'legit' ones, as long as they are on the
same or similar equipment. How similar the equipment actually has to be
is, I grant, a matter of debate but in tests I did same make different
model of laptop worked, but home built desktop unsurprisingly wouldn't
work with a key from a laptop.


Note: SAME MAKE DIFFERENT MODEL OF LAPTOP WORKED! An XP product key
from the sticker of a laptop that had died (and that I had cannibalised
for parts to repair a second one of the same model, which is still
working now, running XP, activated according to the product key on its
own sticker, as it should be) was applied successfully to a third that
had a Vista product key sticker, and this also is still working now,
running XP, activated.

So an XP product key from one model of laptop was applied successfully
to a different model of laptop that came with a Vista product key sticker.

[Another big snip of bull****, that at a cursory glance looked
sufficiently irrelevant that I didn't bother to read it further]
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