On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 19:51:07 +0000, Bill wrote:

I'm replying without quoting for space reasons, so hope this makes sense.

Hi Bill,
I've been on Usenet for decades where I never understood why people quote
so much since it's _all_ already there in the post that they're responding
to.

With me, you can quote _just_ the 1 or 1/2 sentence you're responding to!


I am using 2 Windows laptops, side by side.
Good for you! That makes it easier for you than for me to
o Follow instructions (which take up an entire screen), and,
o At the same time, perform actions (which also take up an entire screen).

o The X201 (W10) has the
development system running, the X220T (W7) is there to run text and/or
videos. The latter is a tablet-convertible laptop, so can be folded to
just take the space of the screen. Both have 12" screens, and this seems
to work OK.

Since the second machine is Windows, you won't have the horror of what I
have to go through to get videos onto the iPad. Lucky you. The three videos
I plan on doing are these three, where I ditched a bunch of other videos in
favor of this guy, where the only (slight) problem is that his Android
Studio is slightly older than ours (so some buttons moved a bit).
o https://youtu.be/dFlPARW5IX8 (I've done this - and I think it's great)
o https://youtu.be/6ow3L39Wxmg (This is the one I plan on doing next)
o https://youtu.be/rdGpT1pIJlw (Then I plan on doing this one after that)
o https://youtu.be/bu5Y3uZ6LLM (Don't bother with this as it's too deep)

I do have a 7" Android tablet and a 10" Windows 8 tablet, but they are
too small, so I think I'll stick with the Lenovo X-series.

Good for you. My iPad is the $300 Costco 9.7-inch WiFi-only iPad from 2017.
It's pretty small for my tired old eyes - but - it's better than nothing.

I totally agree about the text guide and wasting time searching for
buttons.

Yup.
I've learned what you learned, but only after running through the original
text tutorial that it sucks becasue I can't find the buttons it says to hit
https://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/

*In hindsight, I recommend noobs _start_ with the _video_ tutorials first!*

I'm sure _after_ I'm familiar with all the billions of buttons in Android
Studio, that the tutorial above will work great - but it sucks - IMHO - for
a noob simply because they don't show a graphic with an arrow to the
buttons they say to hit.

I had already been looking up and at some videos - specifically
the Bill Butterfield ones, but decided to plough on until I get the
first text based one working.

I gave up on the text-based tutorial (for now); I'll go back to it later.
For now, I'm doing the Bill Butterfield 3 of 4 videos.
I've only done the first one so far (as I spent today on trying to install
the Microsoft Android Emulator since I'm on an AMD CPU - which you don't
have to deal with):
o https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/msft-android-emulator/

I have the Microsoft Android emulator working inside Android Studio:
o http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8562677amd_emulation_05.jpg
But I don't yet have Android Studio _using_ it for emulation!

Your list of videos will be a great help,
and I can download them.

The good news is that the videos, while a pain in a different way, at least
show EVERY click on the screen!

I am an Apple-free zone.

Lucky you!

I have Apple equipment because I help people use Apple products.
Except in marketing, compared to Windows/Linux/Android, iOS stinks.

A lot of people _think_ they have solutions that work cross platform, but
until they get their **** working on iOS, they don't know what cross
platofrm means!

That means, eventually, all my apps will also work on iOS; but that will
happen way later (if ever).
o What are the most fundamental basic apps that are (apparently) lacking on Android?
o https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/SZk_fXWqg88

Now to the problem! I have now got the button and text box sitting
there. It worked on the second try. So it's on to Java, where I start
with a blank mind.

I don't know the "java" syntax yet - but it's extremely "syntactical"!
That's for sure!

I see you have a followup message, so I'll look at that.

We really should both be working the same tutorial if we want to help each
other ... so ... I guess what I should do, to help you, is go _back_ to the
original text tutorial - which I had abandoned in favor of the video
tutorials.
https://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/

To be sure, is _that_ the tutorial you're working on currently?