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Old December 6th 17, 11:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


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Old December 6th 17, 11:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/6/2017 5:32 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


Mark them as junk on the webmail part of the ISP. Assuming that your
ISP works like ATT, and you can access your email on their webmail site
and then down load it to TB.


My primary filter is the Webmail site, and then I use TB screening. I
very rarely get spam into my inbox.

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Old December 6th 17, 11:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


Mail takes an indirect route. It uses servers. The
servers talk to one another.

transport
some_server ------------- some_server
/ \
/ \
wayfair.ca rene.ca

So in that diagram, adding wayfair.ca to your HOSTS
file, won't do anything. Because a packet didn't come
straight from wayfair.ca to your place.

Instead, you need to have a spam filter, somewhere in
that path. The spam filter puts unwanted messages
in a box other than Inbox. It does this, just in
case the message had some value after all, and there
was a "false positive". Occasionally, you visit your
spam bucket, to see if any messages were inadvertently
put there.

*******

I happened to remember one kind of spam filter is
called a Bayesian filter, and used that term to do a search.

https://www.lifewire.com/turn-on-spa...erbird-1173123

A "dumb" spam filter, you manually insert rules. Nobody
wants to do that, but it's "satisfying" to club a regular
offender that way.

A "smart" filter, you click the message you don't want and
tell the filter "I don't like this one", and after a while,
it learns all the characteristics of the unwanted messages.
So rather than attempt to manually construct a rule, you
"teach" the filter which ones are bad, and it does all
the math for you.

Bayesian filters are far from perfect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_...spam_filtering

"Depending on the implementation, Bayesian spam filtering
may be susceptible to Bayesian poisoning, a technique
used by spammers in an attempt to degrade the
effectiveness of spam filters that rely on Bayesian
filtering.

A spammer practicing Bayesian poisoning will send out
emails with large amounts of legitimate text (gathered
from legitimate news or literary sources). Spammer tactics
include insertion of random innocuous words that are not
normally associated with spam, thereby decreasing the
email's spam score, making it more likely to slip past
a Bayesian spam filter."

So a word salad is one way to battle back against Bayesian.
And I did receive some "stock trading spam" at work, where
the "message" to be delivered, was made from a series of
GIFs. So there were no words in the message to trigger
a filter. It's pretty hard to Bayesian a message with
nothing in it.

If the company in question is legit, they won't resort to
word salad, and after a few clicks, you'll have seen the
last wayward furniture advert. They'll go into your spam
bucket, and there will be a nice orderly list of identical
looking spams from your furniture place in that list.

Paul
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Old December 7th 17, 04:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:58:40 -0500, Paul wrote:

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


Mail takes an indirect route. It uses servers. The
servers talk to one another.

transport
some_server ------------- some_server
/ \
/ \
wayfair.ca rene.ca

So in that diagram, adding wayfair.ca to your HOSTS
file, won't do anything. Because a packet didn't come
straight from wayfair.ca to your place.


You're right that a hosts file entry won't help, but it's not because of
the path that email took to get to him. Instead, it's for the simple
reason that hosts file lookups are performed when your PC needs to
translate a domain name to an IP address. That kind of lookup isn't
required (i.e., isn't performed) when receiving email.

Instead, you need to have a spam filter,

snip

Correct. Sometimes the trick is in constructing one that's effective,
meaning it does what it's supposed to do without doing too much.

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Old December 7th 17, 12:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06 Dec 2017, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca,
they are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a
message numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but
they still keep coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no
longer reach there web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.


In your experience, are they a legitimate, honest company? If so, their
emails should have an "unsubscribe" link attached to each email. If you
are convinced that the emails are really coming from them and not from
an imposter, use that link to unsubsribe from their mailings. They
should stop within a few days. I see they also have a phone number,
(800) 508-1737. Perhaps they can unsubscribe you on your verbal say-so.

If all else fails, use your email service's webmail interface to create
a filter that will delete their messages or mark them as spam. That
would probably be more reliable and permanent than using Thunderbird
itself for filtering.

Don't bother with your hosts file - it will have no effect in this
case. The email is coming to you from your email service's sever, not
directly from Wayfair. Unless you want to block yourself from ever
reaching their web site, remove that entry.
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Old December 7th 17, 01:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:19:20 -0500, Nil
wrote:


In your experience, are they a legitimate, honest company? If so, their
emails should have an "unsubscribe" link attached to each email. If you
are convinced that the emails are really coming from them and not from
an imposter, use that link to unsubsribe from their mailings.




Be very careful! An unsubscribe link does *not* guarantee that they
are a "legitimate, honest company." In fact, just the opposite is
sometimes true--the "unsubscribe link" does not unsubscribe you, but
just verifies to the spammer that the address it sent the message to
is an actual live address.

You should not use the unsubscribe link unless you already know that
it's a "legitimate, honest company."
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Old December 7th 17, 02:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Nil[_5_]
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On 06 Dec 2017, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:19:20 -0500, Nil
wrote:

In your experience, are they a legitimate, honest company? If so,
their emails should have an "unsubscribe" link attached to each
email. If you are convinced that the emails are really coming from
them and not from an imposter, use that link to unsubsribe from
their mailings.


Be very careful! An unsubscribe link does *not* guarantee that
they are a "legitimate, honest company." In fact, just the
opposite is sometimes true--the "unsubscribe link" does not
unsubscribe you, but just verifies to the spammer that the address
it sent the message to is an actual live address.

You should not use the unsubscribe link unless you already know
that it's a "legitimate, honest company."


You're right, of course... and you're repeating what I had just said.
It does bear repeating, I guess.

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Old December 7th 17, 01:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca

Did you set to delete from POP server and
set to apply it to the relevant in folder?

Another possibility, as others have mentioned, is
that the email is not actually from them. Drag an
email to the desktop, open it in Notepad, and look
in the first 20 or so lines for "From: ". It might
be from a company that does their mailing for
them.
If you can't filter From then you'll have to find
something unique in the subject, body, etc. You
might be able to do something like filter "Wayfair"
in the body.


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Old December 7th 17, 02:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 12/06/2017 6:10 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca

Did you set to delete from POP server and
set to apply it to the relevant in folder?

Another possibility, as others have mentioned, is
that the email is not actually from them. Drag an
email to the desktop, open it in Notepad, and look
in the first 20 or so lines for "From: ". It might
be from a company that does their mailing for
them.
If you can't filter From then you'll have to find
something unique in the subject, body, etc. You
might be able to do something like filter "Wayfair"
in the body.


Thank you all very much for the valuable information that you took
time to send to me.
I will now try and implement some of these cures and am sure with all
this info I will be able to put an end to this unwanted pushing.
It will take a few days to set up and wait and see what worked, I will
report when I have a definite answer.

Rene

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Old December 7th 17, 02:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06 Dec 2017, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

It will take a few days to set up and wait and see what
worked, I will report when I have a definite answer.


Call 'em on the phone. The whole thing should be over in less than 5
minutes.
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Old December 7th 17, 03:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 12/06/2017 7:46 PM, Nil wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

It will take a few days to set up and wait and see what
worked, I will report when I have a definite answer.


Call 'em on the phone. The whole thing should be over in less than 5
minutes.


Yes Nil, I will call them on the phone tomorrow.

Thanks, Rene

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Old December 7th 17, 03:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Call 'em on the phone. The whole thing should be over in less than 5
| minutes.
|

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. The person answering
the phone is probably just there to take orders.

I called CVS to stop spam robocalling over the phone,
calling me to pick up a prescription I didn't order. And
it took two times just to do that. Just to get a real person
at the local branch to actually, *really*, do whatever
was needed to stop the calls.

I started giving Home Depot a dummy phone number when
I order doors and windows because otherwise they robocall
me every morning at 8AM to tell me I should go online
for "important updates"! They never call to tell me when
the order is in, but they robocall trying to get me to go
online.

This week I sent an email to a company called Ecobee
that sells thermostats. I just dropped them a note to
say their website works poorly and I couldn't find the
docs I needed. So far I've received 5 emails. One said,
"Thanks. We'll tell the Web designers about your note."
The other 4 are nonsensical auto-spam to update me
on the current status of my "support ticket". Their email
is handled by a company called Zendesk. It's just a manic,
mindless bot system that tries to seem responsive
without actually doing anything. For the most part there's
no one minding the store. But there are lots of bots.
(Though it does seem that someone at least read my email
at Ecobee... or Zendesk... or somewhere.)

The common thread there is that it's just become
effortless and cost-free to harass people constantly,
hoping to make an extra sale along the way. At the
same time, there's rarely a genuine human at the other
end who's authorized and knowledgeable enough to deal
with things.

So maybe a phone call will work. I wouldn't do it myself
because I wouldn't want them getting my phone #.




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Old December 7th 17, 01:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/12/2017 22:32, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.



Yes. I can tell you how to do it if you beg me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alternatively, my servant will help you. He is going by the name of
"Cows are nice". It should tell you something about his ability to
imagine new ideas!!! He is an American so Canadians would love him.





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Old December 7th 17, 08:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/06/2017 04:32 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


Have you done business with Wayfair.ca? If so, they may include an
unsubscribe link. If not, don't use it.

I would probably set a filter on anything with the sender that ends with
"wayfair.ca". I have does similar things with persistent sources of junk
mail.


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Old December 7th 17, 08:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 12/07/2017 1:19 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/06/2017 04:32 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Using Thunderbird 52.5 in Windows 10, I have one company that is
consistently sending me E-mail, The company is called Wayfair.ca, they
are an online furniture company, I have created rules from a message
numerous times, I have added them to my hosts file but they still keep
coming through. my hosts file seems OK as I can no longer reach there
web site
They are very annoying as they send them every few days.
Is there any way I can stop them once and for all.

Thanks, Rene


Have you done business with Wayfair.ca? If so, they may include an
unsubscribe link. If not, don't use it.

I would probably set a filter on anything with the sender that ends with
"wayfair.ca". I have does similar things with persistent sources of junk
mail.



All done, see my post of 9:40 am.

Rene

 




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