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Old August 6th 14, 10:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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What is the difference between Windows Explorer and "My Computer"?

When the news came that Microsoft was ending support for Windows XP I went to
the library and got out a couple of books on Windows XP, and on reading them I
discovered that Windows Explorer and "My Computer" were different.

For nearly 10 years of using XP I thought that "My Computer" *was* Windows
Explorer, and wondered why it didn't live up to what was claimed for it. It
was supposed to copy files, but when I tried to copy files I discovered that
it only made copies of shortcuts, and did not copy the files themselves.

So to copy files I either used the DOS copy command, or shareware programs
like File Commander and Xplorer2.

Actually, even after having discovered the *real* Windows Explorer, I think
xplorer2 is better -- you can get it at:

http://www.zabkat.com/

but it just goes to show that there is no substitute for proper printed
documentation.

PS: I thought "My Computer" was horribly twee, so I changed it to "This
Computer".


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Old August 7th 14, 01:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Steve Hayes wrote:

What is the difference between Windows Explorer and "My Computer"?


Windows Explorer is the program that lets you explore the connected devices
(eg disks) and the folders & files they contain.

"My Computer" is a top-level view within Windows Explorer, showing the list
of connected devices.

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Old August 7th 14, 03:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Steve Hayes wrote:

What is the difference between Windows Explorer and "My Computer"?


Windows Explorer: explorer.exe

My Computer : explorer.exe /n ,
or: explorer.exe ,
or: explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}
/
classID for namespace of My Computer ______/

For nearly 10 years of using XP I thought that "My Computer" *was* Windows
Explorer, and wondered why it didn't live up to what was claimed for it. It
was supposed to copy files, but when I tried to copy files I discovered that
it only made copies of shortcuts, and did not copy the files themselves.


Depends on how you dragged the files for either flavor of iexplorer and
if you are dragging within the same volume (drive) or between volumes.
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Old August 7th 14, 07:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:26:29 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

What is the difference between Windows Explorer and "My Computer"?


Windows Explorer: explorer.exe

My Computer : explorer.exe /n ,
or: explorer.exe ,
or: explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}
/
classID for namespace of My Computer ______/


Ah, I see. So they are linked.

For nearly 10 years of using XP I thought that "My Computer" *was* Windows
Explorer, and wondered why it didn't live up to what was claimed for it. It
was supposed to copy files, but when I tried to copy files I discovered that
it only made copies of shortcuts, and did not copy the files themselves.


Depends on how you dragged the files for either flavor of iexplorer and
if you are dragging within the same volume (drive) or between volumes.


I've usually tried to drag them to a different drive, for example to back them
up to an external drive or to a CD, DVD, etc., when the one thing I DON'T want
is a copy of the link, because I might be disconnecting it and using it on
another computer where the link won't go anywhere.

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


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Old August 7th 14, 09:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Steve,

when the one thing I DON'T want is a copy of the link


Drag the files using the right mousebutton, and you can than, after dropping
them, choose the action (copy, create link).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:26:29 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

What is the difference between Windows Explorer and "My Computer"?


Windows Explorer: explorer.exe

My Computer : explorer.exe /n ,
or: explorer.exe ,
or: explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}
/
classID for namespace of My Computer ______/


Ah, I see. So they are linked.

For nearly 10 years of using XP I thought that "My Computer" *was*

Windows
Explorer, and wondered why it didn't live up to what was claimed for

it. It
was supposed to copy files, but when I tried to copy files I discovered

that
it only made copies of shortcuts, and did not copy the files

themselves.

Depends on how you dragged the files for either flavor of iexplorer and
if you are dragging within the same volume (drive) or between volumes.


I've usually tried to drag them to a different drive, for example to back

them
up to an external drive or to a CD, DVD, etc., when the one thing I DON'T

want
is a copy of the link, because I might be disconnecting it and using it on
another computer where the link won't go anywhere.

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which

sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


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Web:
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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uk


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Old August 7th 14, 01:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:16:11 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

I've usually tried to drag them to a different drive, for example to back them
up to an external drive or to a CD, DVD, etc., when the one thing I DON'T want
is a copy of the link, because I might be disconnecting it and using it on
another computer where the link won't go anywhere.


As others have said, the default behaviour varies as to whether:
Source and destination are on the same drive Default move
Source and destination are on different drives Default copy
The source has a *.exe program extension Default link

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


To force the desired behaviour just get into the habit of using
shift and control modifiers:
Control Drag Force copy
Shift Drag Force move
Control-Shift Drag Force link

TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ...
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Old August 7th 14, 05:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Java Jive,

TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ...


How ? Its not something your computer will tell, or even hint you about,
and its also not mentioned when using the other method, the right
mousebutton drag-and-drop.

In other words: you would need to accidentily stumble over such info or
somebody needs to have told you. Its not knowledge humans get born with,
and is, when not used regulary, easy to forget (besides the "damn, which key
causes which effect again ? How/where do I check ?" problem ofcourse)

And yes, I have, in 15+ years, probably heard about, and forgotten it a
number of times too. :-\

You know what I am wondering about ? That you did not mention that right
mousebutton drag-and-drop with ts context menu ... Did you forget all about
it ? whistle :-p

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:16:11 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

I've usually tried to drag them to a different drive, for example to

back them
up to an external drive or to a CD, DVD, etc., when the one thing I

DON'T want
is a copy of the link, because I might be disconnecting it and using it

on
another computer where the link won't go anywhere.


As others have said, the default behaviour varies as to whether:
Source and destination are on the same drive Default move
Source and destination are on different drives Default copy
The source has a *.exe program extension Default link

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which

sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


To force the desired behaviour just get into the habit of using
shift and control modifiers:
Control Drag Force copy
Shift Drag Force move
Control-Shift Drag Force link

TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ...
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Old August 7th 14, 08:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 18:56:05 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Java Jive,

TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ...


How ?


It's something so basic that I would have guessed that 99.9% of people
would learn when they first encounter Windows.

For example, the first hit for "copy files in explorer" plus following
one link gives:
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/window...windows-xp.htm

Its not something your computer will tell, or even hint you about,


I've known about it so long that I can't remember for sure where I
learnt it, but I suspect that it goes right back to File Manager in
Windows 2 or 3. I learnt the vast majority of early Windows use from
the Help Pages of Windows 3.1, and I suspect that's where I learnt
that from as well. However, I've just checked the bundled Help pages
for both Windows 2000 and XP, and you're right, there's absolutely no
mention of it! All of which goes to prove that with each successive
version of Windows, the Help pages have become less helpful (as well
as the GUI becoming less ergonomically efficient).

Did you forget all about
it ? whistle :-p


I've been using PCs since my first which was a 286, so for about 30
years, and even now with my memory getting shakier than it was, I
don't find myself forgetting such very basic things.

You should resist trying to drag others down to your own level as a
way of trying to win an argument, frankly, it just makes you look
dumb. The more especially so when there isn't really an argument to
win - all that has happened is that by some obscure twist of fate
you never discovered something that most others learn very quickly,
but now you have. There's no harm in that. My original remark was
intended to convey extreme surprise rather than condemnation.
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Old August 7th 14, 09:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:45:00 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


While we're about it, you don't need to type the file and directory
names (except a new name when renaming) - dragging a file or folder
into a DOS box copies its path into a command.

And you can also still download a utility which adds "Open a command
window here" to the right-click menu:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...#2TC=powertoys
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=211471
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Old August 8th 14, 06:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 21:48:13 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:45:00 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

When it does thaty I usually resort to the DOS "copy" command, which sometimes
needs a bit more typing, especially with long file names.


While we're about it, you don't need to type the file and directory
names (except a new name when renaming) - dragging a file or folder
into a DOS box copies its path into a command.


Thanks, that's useful to know.

And you can also still download a utility which adds "Open a command
window here" to the right-click menu:


No need, since one of the first things I do with a new Windows computer is put
the command window on my "desktop" for easy access, and it usually appears
quite high up in my Start menu too.




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Old August 8th 14, 09:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Java Jive,

It's something so basic that I would have guessed that 99.9%
of people would learn when they first encounter Windows.


From whom/by what feat ? As I said, its not something the browser will try
to suggest you about. And that leaves what I allready mentioned: stumbling
over it or someone else telling you.

I learnt the vast majority of early Windows use from the Help
Pages of Windows 3.1, and I suspect that's where I learnt
that from as well.


I can't say I used them much, if at all. The few times I tried to use them
where just time sinkholes, most often giving no usable info at all.

You should resist trying to drag others down to your own level
as a way of trying to win an argument, frankly, it just makes you
look dumb.


Pot, please refrain from calling the kettle black.

I don't think your "TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ..." remark
was ment to be positive in any way. Its only purpose was to try to make the
OP feel bad in some way. And for what ? So *you* could feel better about
you (still) knowing that tidbit of info ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 18:56:05 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Java Jive,

TBH, I can't believe you didn't know that ...


How ?


It's something so basic that I would have guessed that 99.9% of people
would learn when they first encounter Windows.

For example, the first hit for "copy files in explorer" plus following
one link gives:
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/window...windows-xp.htm

Its not something your computer will tell, or even hint you about,


I've known about it so long that I can't remember for sure where I
learnt it, but I suspect that it goes right back to File Manager in
Windows 2 or 3. I learnt the vast majority of early Windows use from
the Help Pages of Windows 3.1, and I suspect that's where I learnt
that from as well. However, I've just checked the bundled Help pages
for both Windows 2000 and XP, and you're right, there's absolutely no
mention of it! All of which goes to prove that with each successive
version of Windows, the Help pages have become less helpful (as well
as the GUI becoming less ergonomically efficient).

Did you forget all about
it ? whistle :-p


I've been using PCs since my first which was a 286, so for about 30
years, and even now with my memory getting shakier than it was, I
don't find myself forgetting such very basic things.

You should resist trying to drag others down to your own level as a
way of trying to win an argument, frankly, it just makes you look
dumb. The more especially so when there isn't really an argument to
win - all that has happened is that by some obscure twist of fate
you never discovered something that most others learn very quickly,
but now you have. There's no harm in that. My original remark was
intended to convey extreme surprise rather than condemnation.
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Old August 8th 14, 02:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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So do I, but the point is that this way you don't have change first
the drive and then the directory to where you want to be ...

On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 07:53:36 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

No need, since one of the first things I do with a new Windows computer is put
the command window on my "desktop" for easy access, and it usually appears
quite high up in my Start menu too.

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Old August 8th 14, 02:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Yawn, plonk!

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:57:49 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Pot, please refrain from calling the kettle black.

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Old August 8th 14, 02:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Java Jive,

Yawn, plonk!


The standard answer of people who have more brawn than brains.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Yawn, plonk!

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:57:49 +0200, "R.Wieser"
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Pot, please refrain from calling the kettle black.

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