Vista & Vienna

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released in 2009
as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime soon.
--
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft
employees
in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community) and
were
unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board soon :-)

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna: http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released in 2009
as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime soon.
--
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft
employees
in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community) and
were
unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board soon :-)

Now THAT is helpful!

Particularly this part:
-----------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium.

DSH
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as
compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

Boy this stuff happens fast! Not that long ago, we were debating
Longhorn, then it got renamed by the marketing folk from its
internal name, and eventually released. Now, before Vista even
gets its first SP, there's Vienna? Spence, please tell me you
have another life than investigating the nuances of Redmond!
grin Based on our collective cynicism, I think we might expect
even more bloatware and slower speed, requiring some as-yet not
invented new hot PC to even run. 2009? Puleeze!

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be
released in 2009 as of right now, I don't think they'll be
getting bored anytime soon. --
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote
in message ...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by
Microsoft employees in their spare time (sort of a gift to
the Window user community) and were unsupported by
Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting
board soon :-)






--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Carey Frisch [MVP] made these interesting comments ...

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...07/02-13NextVe
rson.mspx

Carey, the only time ANY company advance announces a product is
when it is in THEIR best interst to do so, ala a big trade show.
So, I would hardly expect MS to say anything substantive now, in
the midst of their biggest Windows rollout ever, and give both the
Mac and Linux people something specific to shoot at.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Now THAT is helpful!

Particularly this part:
-----------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system
has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size
it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code
(Windows Vista).

50,000,000? No wonder it is bloated!

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the
targets of security exploits.

yep, but then, MS said that XP SP2 was a 99% or something rewrite
to fix this connundrum

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch,
which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows
Vienna.

Again, SP2 and again, Vista. How many times can they rewrite 50M
lines of code cost-effectively, much less with quality and
performance?

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different
generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and
support for new types of hardware, along with a better
security and a modular approach, which will allow future
versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's engine.

I seem to recall NT, which presumably meant New Technology and
was the equivalent to a car platform for an entire series of new
systems, maybe its time for another one, so by 2009, maybe I'll
get a discount on Vista and let the early Vienna adopters beta
test THAT with their Visa cards!

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's
products will be strongly decided by the success of the new
generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly
attractive.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as
Millennium.

DSH
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in
message
...

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next
Version of Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...b07/02-13NextV
erson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as
compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH






--
HP, aka Jerry

I have hopes that VIENNA, having allegedly been built from scratch, on a New
Paradigm, MAY be a Real Breakthrough -- if that data we posted is on
target -- and bloatware MAY be slimmed down and made much more efficient,
function-rich and faster.

New Subject:

No, I have several lives -- watching Redmond is only a small part of one if
them. g

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as
compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

Boy this stuff happens fast! Not that long ago, we were debating
Longhorn, then it got renamed by the marketing folk from its
internal name, and eventually released. Now, before Vista even
gets its first SP, there's Vienna? Spence, please tell me you
have another life than investigating the nuances of Redmond!
grin Based on our collective cynicism, I think we might expect
even more bloatware and slower speed, requiring some as-yet not
invented new hot PC to even run. 2009? Puleeze!

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

I have hopes that VIENNA, having allegedly been built from
scratch, on a New Paradigm, MAY be a Real Breakthrough -- if
that data we posted is on target -- and bloatware MAY be
slimmed down and made much more efficient, function-rich and
faster.

New Subject:

No, I have several lives -- watching Redmond is only a small
part of one if them. g

Well, Spence, I like movies prior to about 1980, so TCM is a
biggie to me, as is cable news, cars, and some other stuff. I
think I know where you may be coming from, it is often fun to try
to guesstimate what our fav companies might be up to. I can't
even begin to think about whatever Vienna might become, new
paradigm or not, new code or not.

I've talked about some short discussions with my nephew and PC
builder about a new box, but the bump in CPU performance isn't
worth the premium over my 2.6 gig AMD Athlon, and I'd need not
only Vista but all new apps to take advantage of all that neat
new HW, my current production apps are several versions out-of-
date. So, besides cost, there is my time, which has great value,
and my frustration, for which no value can be placed. grin

In short, I've said I waited about 15 months to go to SP2, and
then, only on a new PC, not an upgrade, it was a fresh install.
So, if Vista follows at all that timeline, I MAY be in the market
for a new PC by this time next year, and maybe take advantage of
lower HW prices. For all the reasons you know, I like to stay at
N - 1 from whatever is state-of-the-art because my days of
getting cut by bleeding edge technology are long over.

Have a good one, and enjoy your "research"!


"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as
compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

Boy this stuff happens fast! Not that long ago, we were
debating Longhorn, then it got renamed by the marketing folk
from its internal name, and eventually released. Now, before
Vista even gets its first SP, there's Vienna? Spence, please
tell me you have another life than investigating the nuances
of Redmond! grin Based on our collective cynicism, I think
we might expect even more bloatware and slower speed,
requiring some as-yet not invented new hot PC to even run.
2009? Puleeze!






--
HP, aka Jerry

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
I have hopes that VIENNA, having allegedly been built from scratch, on a
New Paradigm, MAY be a Real Breakthrough -- if that data we posted is on
target -- and bloatware MAY be slimmed down and made much more efficient,
function-rich and faster.

The problem is many of the lrage, high profile companies just keep rolling
out more and more bloated version with each release, and then attempt to
justify that with the few new features that exist. Abobe (Photoshop,
Acrobat, etc), is a great example, among many - new features seem to be
minimal, but size seems to grow exponentially. (The same could arguably be
said about Vista.) It feels as if there is a consiracy to get consumers to
get new hardware, new versions of software they already own, etc.

All these CAN make climmed down and more efficiently coded applications, but
they just plain DON'T. Many of those companies have been around for a long
time. They've had a long time to make less bloated versions, butthey don't.
Now a days you have other third parties, sometimes open source, which often
work just as well, but take a small fraction of the resource foot print. I
wonder why that is.

New Subject:

No, I have several lives -- watching Redmond is only a small part of one
if them. g

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as
compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

Boy this stuff happens fast! Not that long ago, we were debating
Longhorn, then it got renamed by the marketing folk from its
internal name, and eventually released. Now, before Vista even
gets its first SP, there's Vienna? Spence, please tell me you
have another life than investigating the nuances of Redmond!
grin Based on our collective cynicism, I think we might expect
even more bloatware and slower speed, requiring some as-yet not
invented new hot PC to even run. 2009? Puleeze!

Today, Jerry White made these interesting comments ...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
I have hopes that VIENNA, having allegedly been built from
scratch, on a New Paradigm, MAY be a Real Breakthrough -- if
that data we posted is on target -- and bloatware MAY be
slimmed down and made much more efficient, function-rich and
faster.

The problem is many of the lrage, high profile companies just
keep rolling out more and more bloated version with each
release, and then attempt to justify that with the few new
features that exist. Abobe (Photoshop, Acrobat, etc), is a
great example, among many - new features seem to be minimal,
but size seems to grow exponentially. (The same could arguably
be said about Vista.) It feels as if there is a consiracy to
get consumers to get new hardware, new versions of software
they already own, etc.

It is called "marketing", Jerry, and is the gentle art of
implanting in the minds of current and potential customers that
they will die tomorrow of some gruesome disease if they do not
purchase X, Y, or Z today. Now, it has been said that no one can
sell you something you really don't want to buy, and I think that
is true, absent the gullible. But, MS is hardly alone here, ALL
the other major developers are shortening their release cycles at
an ever increasing rate, and many are now under a year, citing
Vista as a "reason" they must create an all-new version.

All these CAN make climmed down and more efficiently coded
applications, but they just plain DON'T. Many of those
companies have been around for a long time. They've had a long
time to make less bloated versions, butthey don't. Now a days
you have other third parties, sometimes open source, which
often work just as well, but take a small fraction of the
resource foot print. I wonder why that is.

When I began to learn computer programming on mainframes in
college in the late 1960s, then did some professionally in the
1970s, the big cost was the hardware. With the advent of dirt
cheap PCs, low cost huge servers and networks, and computer-
generated everything, the big cost shifted from the HW to the
people on the development team. So, in my view, the focus moved
from small, tight, highly efficient code to run in limited memory
spaces on the very small - by today's standards - spinning disk,
and the wages of the programmers bedamned. Today, HD space is
pennies/gig but good programmers are expensive, as are good
testers, good help file writers, etc. So, Windows itself have
shifted from the old assember and C in the SDK to things like
Visual C++, or so I've been told, with some amount of binary code
inefficiency. Add to that an ever-increasing complexity of the
GUI with more and more graphics, desired support for legacy HW
and SW, and security, and it isn't hard to imagine a 50,000,000
code base that is both buggy and bloated.

Absent Linux of a Mac, what do you believe the solution to be?
[snip the old stuff]
--
HP, aka Jerry

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Now THAT is helpful!

Particularly this part:
-----------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium.

DSH
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH



This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an
internet based OS.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

Today, Nina DiBoy made these interesting comments ...

[snip the previous babble]
This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be
more of an internet based OS.

I've been hearing this for awhile and tend to agree with you,
albeit I obviously have no proof. Personally, I think this is just
as dangerous as tying my phone line to the Internet, as with Vonage
or something. If Comcast takes a powder on me, I not only couldn't
surf, I couldn't phone them, and likely couldn't even compute on my
PC off-line, if the O/S wanted to page code modules or graphics
to/from the web and not native to my HD. But, it is far too early
to speculate on this, much less lose sleep.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current
Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few want
to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body isn't even
cold yet!!!


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released in
2009
as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime soon.
--
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft
employees
in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community) and
were
unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have
any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board soon :-)

Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people wiht problems,
not those for whom it's working properly and as expected. You get the "bell
curve" lower end of things here.

Pop`



Zim Babwe wrote:
Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current
Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few
want to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body
isn't even cold yet!!!


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to
Vista? Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released
in 2009
as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime
soon. --
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote in
message ...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft
employees
in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community)
and were
unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not
have any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board
soon :-)

This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an
internet based OS.
-------------------------------------------------------

Well, that certainly makes Good Sense.

Internet Usage SHOULD be a Major Consideration in Vienna, but not a
crippling one.

DSH

"Nina DiBoy" wrote in message ...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Now THAT is helpful!

Particularly this part:
-----------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has
accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium.

DSH
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of
Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to
Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an
internet based OS.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot