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Old February 8th 18, 04:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Interesting developments, especially for those who
are running preview builds of Win10.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...ge-windows-10/

"Beginning with EdgeHTML 17.17063, we have enabled Service Workers and push
notifications by default in preview builds of Microsoft Edge"

A PWA is a "progressive web app". Microsoft are outlining
a view that webpages need to be made as functional as,
and eventually replace, local, compiled software. It's the
vision of computers as interactive cable TV subscribed
to commercial services on what used to be the information
superhighway. Software will be webpages leaking out into
the local system, running independently, able to "re-engage"
you as necessary to "optimize monetization".

The linked article describes the basics, albeit in flowery
marketing terms.

Service workers: Scripts running locally, independent
of webpages.

Push: Websites able to send notifications when neither
their page, nor even a browser, is running.

Local cache: Storage of files that might be needed,
so that apps can run offline.

This is not just Microsoft's vision. There are w3c specs.
Firefox has push functionality being set up, and there are
already pref settings for it.
(services.push.enabled and dom.webnotifications.enabled,
introduced with FF 44.)

But what Microsoft are doing is to bring it all to Edge
and integrate it with Windows and the Windows Store,
making it enabled by default in Edge. Edge becomes the
interface for apps/services. (Another attempted end-run
around competing browsers. Like ActiveX in IE, linking
Edge/Windows/Windows Store means the functionality
will probably be more advanced in Edge than in other
browsers. Edge *is* Windows Store PWAs.)

It's both ingenious and scary, further blurring the line
between your computer/your property and the world of
commercial services. The tone of this and related articles
makes it sound like software was a temporary anomaly
and that online services are what computers are meant
to do.
And of course, Microsoft are promising spyware options
and the ability to "monetize" apps, to anyone who sets
up a PWA in their store. (In the latest example of Microsoft's
tasteless butchering of the English language, they describe
the approval of PWAs for the store as their "ingesting" of
web apps. Example: "We'll look for a Service Worker as a
signal for ingesting PWAs.")

That is, people who set up webpage apps and go through
the Windows Store will be able to get telemetry data to
sell or use for targetted ads. And Microsoft will be the
middleman to the whole shebang.

Of course all of this could fail. People may not accept
push any more than they did when the idea first came out.
But articles like this might also be descriptions of the
future. And a radically different future it is. And anyone
using the latest Win10 gets to try it all out, or work on
blocking it, depending on personal preference.


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Old February 8th 18, 05:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Mayayana wrote:
Interesting developments, especially for those who
are running preview builds of Win10.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...ge-windows-10/

"Beginning with EdgeHTML 17.17063, we have enabled Service Workers and push
notifications by default in preview builds of Microsoft Edge"

A PWA is a "progressive web app". Microsoft are outlining
a view that webpages need to be made as functional as,
and eventually replace, local, compiled software. It's the
vision of computers as interactive cable TV subscribed
to commercial services on what used to be the information
superhighway. Software will be webpages leaking out into
the local system, running independently, able to "re-engage"
you as necessary to "optimize monetization".

The linked article describes the basics, albeit in flowery
marketing terms.

Service workers: Scripts running locally, independent
of webpages.

Push: Websites able to send notifications when neither
their page, nor even a browser, is running.

Local cache: Storage of files that might be needed,
so that apps can run offline.

This is not just Microsoft's vision. There are w3c specs.
Firefox has push functionality being set up, and there are
already pref settings for it.
(services.push.enabled and dom.webnotifications.enabled,
introduced with FF 44.)

But what Microsoft are doing is to bring it all to Edge
and integrate it with Windows and the Windows Store,
making it enabled by default in Edge. Edge becomes the
interface for apps/services. (Another attempted end-run
around competing browsers. Like ActiveX in IE, linking
Edge/Windows/Windows Store means the functionality
will probably be more advanced in Edge than in other
browsers. Edge *is* Windows Store PWAs.)

It's both ingenious and scary, further blurring the line
between your computer/your property and the world of
commercial services. The tone of this and related articles
makes it sound like software was a temporary anomaly
and that online services are what computers are meant
to do.
And of course, Microsoft are promising spyware options
and the ability to "monetize" apps, to anyone who sets
up a PWA in their store. (In the latest example of Microsoft's
tasteless butchering of the English language, they describe
the approval of PWAs for the store as their "ingesting" of
web apps. Example: "We'll look for a Service Worker as a
signal for ingesting PWAs.")

That is, people who set up webpage apps and go through
the Windows Store will be able to get telemetry data to
sell or use for targetted ads. And Microsoft will be the
middleman to the whole shebang.

Of course all of this could fail. People may not accept
push any more than they did when the idea first came out.
But articles like this might also be descriptions of the
future. And a radically different future it is. And anyone
using the latest Win10 gets to try it all out, or work on
blocking it, depending on personal preference.


Every business plan has this line as the last step:

Profit!!!

Might as well go all in, and make it as evil as possible.
Right ?

Kinda like the article the other day, showing the OEM OS
fee in future will be "proportional to CPU performance".
Which is similar to per-core pricing on server OS editions.
I noticed in the comment section of that article, the
fan bois were poo-pooing the impact, but what it means,
is the "progression" on OEM machine cost will be a little
bit steeper as a result. The OEM just passes the OS portion
on, and by making the pricing progressive, if you want
a "nice" machine, you pay the new "nice" price.

So rather than Desktops and Laptops dying on obsolescence,
they're by dying on the "bed of price" instead.

I suppose in this era of "supply side fixing" and "artificial
shortage", each company has to dip its ladle into the well
in the same way. Why be left behind ? Profit!!!

Paul
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Old February 8th 18, 05:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/2/2018 23:34, Mayayana wrote:
Interesting developments, especially for those who
are running preview builds of Win10.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...ge-windows-10/

"Beginning with EdgeHTML 17.17063, we have enabled Service Workers and push
notifications by default in preview builds of Microsoft Edge"


The word "push" usually means something bad, something like cold calls
from salespersons.

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Old February 8th 18, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Paul" wrote

| Every business plan has this line as the last step:
|
| Profit!!!
|

Well, most anyway. Though there's also a lot of
creativity and risk-taking there, too. (If MS didn't
have their Windows/Office monopolies their risk-taking
would have killed them off long ago. Most of their
new ideas lose money.)

I found the quasi-technical descriptions of PWAs
fascinating. It's Microsoft's twisted twist on the
whole thing, but clearly a lot of bright people have
put a lot of thought into how the Web could be
made more functional. There are some interesting
ideas. Though I suppose it's not as creative as it
should be. It's trying to adapt javascript in webpages
to work like compiled software that lives everywhere.
Not a very bright idea, really. Sort of like trying to
base the airplane on the car.... "We'll just make the
wheels spin *really* fast."

I see much of profit-mania as being connected to
the birth of the IRA. Oddly, no one ever talks about
that change: Before IRAs, few people invested in
the stock market and companies were expected to
take on some social responsibility. Also back then,
news was mostly a public service that TV networks
tried to do well. Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and
David Brinkley were entrusted with the workings of
democracy itself.

Then IRAs happened and Reagan gutted media
regulations. News became Kardashian gossip and
accident reports. It became ironically difficult to
actually find out what's going on in a world awash
in information. And everyone who could afford to started
an IRA. That meant that most people had a vested
interest in the stock market going up. Suddenly those
corporate donations to cancer research or PBS were
coming out of our pockets. We wanted Exxon to clean
up their spilt oil, but did we want to pay, personally,
to shampoo some seagull? Did we want that deducted
from our retirement funds? Exxon was supposed to rake
in bucks, after all, right? We all owned a fraction of the
company for that reason.

So now there are lots of people who say it's the
job of corporations to make profits. They think that's
what capitalism means. And those people don't have
your cynicism. They're saying it as though they
were enumerating the laws of physics. They've
managed to create a separation in their own minds.
Kardashian media helps.

Exxon-Mobil is a good influence, making our money for us.
Oil spills are an unfortunate fact of life. Apple is providing
jobs for poor people in China. Walmart isn't destroying
small business with their megastores. As the self-appointed
genius Thomas Friedman so kindly explained, Walmart
is inevitable. Imperialism and exploitation of 3rd-world
countries you say? Psychological and physical abuse of
employees by Amazon? Nah! That's known as globalism.
It's a natural development caused by communication
improvements. Everyone benefits. .... Leastways, anyone
who's anyone.


 




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