Zero-day Windows bug problem worse than first thought, says expert

On 08/21/2010 08:18 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 10:18 AM, Alias wrote:
nooneyouknow wrote:

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On 21/08/2010 3:56 PM, Alias wrote:

Oh dear, another windroid who doesn't understand Linux architecture.
It's not a smile but a smirk.



You're an ignorant fool. Linux not susceptible to malware or
rootkits...?


http://news.techworld.com/security/3226723/linux-trojan-hits-unreal-irc-raises-malware-concerns/?olo=rss





Susceptible yes. Attacked? NO!


The malware writers don't consider a few hundred linux lusers a big
enough target.

Try over 30 million and growing.

Only in your dreams. And those who use linux are broke and don't have
anything the thieves would want.

Um, according to what you and the nymshifter quote, there's 1 percent
market share for Linux. There are 5 billion devices connected to the
Internet. That means my figure should have been 50,000,000 and growing.

After all, linux is free, yet still not worth anything.

Goes to show what you know about Linux: nothing.


Linux servers are indeed a big enough
target but thanks for playing and revealing your total ignorance.

Sorry sheep-****er, but there are plenty of cases where linux servers
where compromised.
Oops!


Compared to Windows servers, the number is minuscule.

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Alias

On 08/21/2010 08:28 PM, Unbeliever wrote:
Alias wrote:
nooneyouknow wrote:

wrote in message
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On 21/08/2010 3:56 PM, Alias wrote:

Oh dear, another windroid who doesn't understand Linux
architecture. It's not a smile but a smirk.



You're an ignorant fool. Linux not susceptible to malware or
rootkits...?
http://news.techworld.com/security/3226723/linux-trojan-hits-unreal-irc-raises-malware-concerns/?olo=rss



Susceptible yes. Attacked? NO!


The malware writers don't consider a few hundred linux lusers a big
enough target.

Try over 30 million and growing. Linux servers are indeed a big enough
target but thanks for playing and revealing your total ignorance.

Still a drop in the ocean compared to Windows users.



Popularity does not mean quality. For example, Bush won two elections.
More Ford Fiestas are sold than Rolls Royce. Coca Cola is the most
popular drink in the world yet it will make you fat and give you
cavities and diabetes. Got any other lame retorts?

--
Alias

On 08/22/2010 02:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 5:07 PM, Alias wrote:
On 08/22/2010 01:42 AM, DanS wrote:
wrote in
news:f8Tbo.10484$yY6.9224@hurricane:

On 21/08/2010 3:56 PM, Alias wrote:

Oh dear, another windroid who doesn't understand Linux
architecture. It's not a smile but a smirk.



You're an ignorant fool. Linux not susceptible to malware
or rootkits...?


http://news.techworld.com/security/3...nux-trojan-hit
s-unreal-irc-raises-malware-concerns/?olo=rss

So this is *another* "in the wild" rootkit or virus for Linux
that is spreading from Linux box to Linux box like wildfire by
just visiting a website or by opening an e-mail ?

They really hate it when they are reminded how vulnerable Windows is.

You just don't get it, you dumb ****. First of all, no one in here has
been breached by the **** you post.

You're infected and don't even know it.

Secondly, it is like a promotional
piece for the security company who claims to have discovered the
venerability.
Oops!

Um, it's "vulnerability" and the researcher wasn't promoting anything.
Try reading the article before you comment on it.


It
makes the little cockroaches lie and post all kinds of weird ****.

That would be you. Are you as stupid as you seem to be? Look **** face,
you only post this **** so that you can then post your ..."another
reason linux is better bull****" mantra and vent your palatable outright
hatred for MS.

It was posted as a warning. Linux is just a suggestion. Apple would be
good too as well as an android phone or tablet.


It's
quite amusing to watch them scatter all over the place screaming out
their denials.

Have you noticed that no one in here has ever been infected by any of
the malware/virus that you post about?
Oops!

How the **** would you know?


No one has said that Linux is bulletproof or cannot be compromised but,
compared to Windows, it *is* bulletproof.

Not compared to Windows 7, you lying POS.
Oops!

Yes, compared to Windows 7.


Now one of the cockroaches
will miss the word "compared" and claim I think that it's impossible to
compromise Linux.

No one in here thinks you're capable of clear, logical, intelligent
thinking!
Oops!

You only speak for yourself and not very well.


Oh and you are the cockroach in here!


Once again Frank steals my lines.

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Alias

In article ,
.¡nvalido says...

On 08/21/2010 10:28 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 1:21 PM, Alias wrote:
On 08/21/2010 03:05 PM, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ht_says_expert




Another good reason to use Linux.


Mo

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._r esearcher?



hehehe...getting desperate, huh?
Figures!

No, just posting the complete news story for those who are concerned
about keeping their Windows computers safe. You, OTOH, are obsessed with
Linux and can't think of anything else. Why?

No, you are just a stooge.
A ****in loser.

This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce a patch," he
said. "There may be other work-arounds available, but the core issue is
with the application itself, not necessarily the Windows operating
system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't understand.
Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know the
vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt speculation.

You are one of those weirdo home shutins that have nothing better to do
than google for **** all day, so you can post it here, and get some
human interaction.
It's quite pathetic.
Funny, but pathetic.
To bad Calvin and Hobbes retired.

On 08/22/2010 02:14 PM, i76GLappie wrote:
In ,
.¡nvalido says...

On 08/21/2010 10:28 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 1:21 PM, Alias wrote:
On 08/21/2010 03:05 PM, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ht_says_expert




Another good reason to use Linux.


Mo

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._r esearcher?



hehehe...getting desperate, huh?
Figures!

No, just posting the complete news story for those who are concerned
about keeping their Windows computers safe. You, OTOH, are obsessed with
Linux and can't think of anything else. Why?

No, you are just a stooge.
A ****in loser.

Is this your argument, unfounded insults?


This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce a patch," he
said. "There may be other work-arounds available, but the core issue is
with the application itself, not necessarily the Windows operating
system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't understand.
Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know the
vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt speculation.

Um, all the vulnerable programs run in which OS, Linux, Apple or
Windows? Last I checked, all programs need an operating system to run.


You are one of those weirdo home shutins that have nothing better to do
than google for **** all day, so you can post it here, and get some
human interaction.

This particular news item is all over the web in almost every news site.
Where have you been, in a cave with all of your other feral friends like
Frank?

It's quite pathetic.
Funny, but pathetic.
To bad Calvin and Hobbes retired.


The pathetic thing is you hiding your head in the sand.

--
Alias

Alias wrote:

On 08/22/2010 02:14 PM, i76GLappie wrote:
In ,
.¡nvalido says...

On 08/21/2010 10:28 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 1:21 PM, Alias wrote:
On 08/21/2010 03:05 PM, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ht_says_expert




Another good reason to use Linux.


Mo

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._r esearcher?



hehehe...getting desperate, huh?
Figures!

No, just posting the complete news story for those who are concerned
about keeping their Windows computers safe. You, OTOH, are obsessed with
Linux and can't think of anything else. Why?

No, you are just a stooge.
A ****in loser.

Is this your argument, unfounded insults?


You're a stooge in that you believe what you read from a security
expert... someone who is financially bound to find exploits in OSes, and
of course Windows is the chosen target, be it truly in Windows or as is
usually the case, third party vector.

That is the strength of Windows, the ability to install what one wishes
from where one wishes.

It has its downside, but I prefer the freedom of using what I want.
Surf the web with linux , and find something to install.
There's pretty much nothing available.

Download a free game from a website with linux, try Pogo, then get back
to me on why linux is safe, and how many PC users want to be stifled
with decade old software just in the name of safety.


This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce a patch," he
said. "There may be other work-arounds available, but the core issue is
with the application itself, not necessarily the Windows operating
system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't understand.
Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know the
vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt speculation.

Um, all the vulnerable programs run in which OS, Linux, Apple or
Windows? Last I checked, all programs need an operating system to run.


Most applications produced run in Windows.
No duh.
The other OSes are too limited to even bother with.


You are one of those weirdo home shutins that have nothing better to do
than google for **** all day, so you can post it here, and get some
human interaction.

This particular news item is all over the web in almost every news site.
Where have you been, in a cave with all of your other feral friends like
Frank?


I don't spend hours googling "Windows sucks".
Most people don't.
Most people don't give a rats ass about what you are obviously obsessed
with.

It's quite pathetic.
Funny, but pathetic.
To bad Calvin and Hobbes retired.


The pathetic thing is you hiding your head in the sand.


From what?
I guarentee I'm not infected.
I doubt you have any clue of how the exploit you linked to would run.
Perhaps you would like to show how little you know, and post how it
would work here----_____________

In article , says...

Alias wrote:


SNIP


The pathetic thing is you hiding your head in the sand.


From what?
I guarentee I'm not infected.
I doubt you have any clue of how the exploit you linked to would run.
Perhaps you would like to show how little you know, and post how it
would work here----_____________

Any day now.
If you admit to being a dumbass, I will post the relevant parts of the
article for you.
Hahahahah

Linux is bulletproof in that nobody shoots at retards with
37 bucks in a checking account.

People have been killed over far less than $37.

For instance, last weekends shooting in Buffalo, NY where 8
people were shot and 4 of them died, at an anniversary party at
a pub......One guy was refused entry to the back room where the
party was, and came back with a gun.

I'd call that far less than $37.

In article 31,
says...

Linux is bulletproof in that nobody shoots at retards with
37 bucks in a checking account.

People have been killed over far less than $37.

For instance, last weekends shooting in Buffalo, NY where 8
people were shot and 4 of them died, at an anniversary party at
a pub......One guy was refused entry to the back room where the
party was, and came back with a gun.

I'd call that far less than $37.

That's messed up.
I must of missed that story, I avoid the doom and gloom news that
focuses far to much on extreme, bizarre behavior exhibited by a few
random nutjobs.

Was anybody involved a Linux user?
Doubtful.

This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce
a patch," he said. "There may be other work-arounds
available, but the core issue is with the application
itself, not necessarily the Windows operating system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't
understand. Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know
the vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt
speculation.

Actually, those that read the article and have slightly more than
a basic understanding of how Windows operates and any type of
reading comprehension skills should be able to deduce what the
security issue is.

I know exactly what they are talking about, as well as every
hacker out there, programmer, and everyone with the equivalent of
1/2 of a semester of the most basic CS classes...or even if you
took a DOS class at a night school in 1993.

It has its downside, but I prefer the freedom of using what
I want.

So those that use Linux shouldn't have the freedom of using what
*they* want ?

Surf the web with linux , and find something to
install. There's pretty much nothing available.

Why surf the web ? All you need to go is go he

www.linuxappfinder.com

All nicely categorized for you, and searchable, with d/l links
right on the page for certain distros, links to the s/w's home
page, etc.

99% are free and/or Open Source.

Finding s/w for Linux doesn't get any easier than this.

In article 31,
says...

This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce
a patch," he said. "There may be other work-arounds
available, but the core issue is with the application
itself, not necessarily the Windows operating system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't
understand. Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know
the vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt
speculation.

Actually, those that read the article and have slightly more than
a basic understanding of how Windows operates and any type of
reading comprehension skills should be able to deduce what the
security issue is.

I know exactly what they are talking about, as well as every
hacker out there, programmer, and everyone with the equivalent of
1/2 of a semester of the most basic CS classes...or even if you
took a DOS class at a night school in 1993.

Let's give Alias a chance.
He actually might know...LOL, not!
How he manages to earn $14,000 a week is a mystery.

These "vulnerabilities" are part of what makes Windows easy for their
end customers to use.
Perhaps if Windows was as locked down as Linux, it would become wildly
unpopular...much as Linux is.

There is some thought to the fact that part of what MS has to deal with
is an end customer that wants to be able to perform certain actions
without becoming a PC geek.

On 08/22/2010 03:09 PM, i76GLappie wrote:
Alias wrote:

On 08/22/2010 02:14 PM, i76GLappie wrote:
In ,
.¡nvalido says...

On 08/21/2010 10:28 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 1:21 PM, Alias wrote:
On 08/21/2010 03:05 PM, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ht_says_expert




Another good reason to use Linux.


Mo

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._r esearcher?



hehehe...getting desperate, huh?
Figures!

No, just posting the complete news story for those who are concerned
about keeping their Windows computers safe. You, OTOH, are obsessed with
Linux and can't think of anything else. Why?

No, you are just a stooge.
A ****in loser.

Is this your argument, unfounded insults?


You're a stooge in that you believe what you read from a security
expert... someone who is financially bound to find exploits in OSes, and
of course Windows is the chosen target, be it truly in Windows or as is
usually the case, third party vector.

Microsoft is paying heed. Why aren't you?


That is the strength of Windows, the ability to install what one wishes
from where one wishes.

And, many times, what one does not wish like malware.


It has its downside, but I prefer the freedom of using what I want.
Surf the web with linux , and find something to install.
There's pretty much nothing available.

That's because you're a Linux n00b and don't know what Synaptic is.

Download a free game from a website with linux, try Pogo, then get back
to me on why linux is safe, and how many PC users want to be stifled
with decade old software just in the name of safety.

I just tried playing Pogo and no problems other than a pop up that told
me I have Windows malware waiting for me.



This is from the article:
"Solving the flaw requires every affected vendor to produce a patch," he
said. "There may be other work-arounds available, but the core issue is
with the application itself, not necessarily the Windows operating
system."

See, you stooge, you are just posting **** you don't understand.
Post it in those applications NGs.
But, since you don't know what they are, nor do you know the
vulnerability, you are posting what is termed rampamt speculation.

Um, all the vulnerable programs run in which OS, Linux, Apple or
Windows? Last I checked, all programs need an operating system to run.


Most applications produced run in Windows.
No duh.
The other OSes are too limited to even bother with.

Not the point.



You are one of those weirdo home shutins that have nothing better to do
than google for **** all day, so you can post it here, and get some
human interaction.

This particular news item is all over the web in almost every news site.
Where have you been, in a cave with all of your other feral friends like
Frank?


I don't spend hours googling "Windows sucks".

Nor do I.

Most people don't.

Nor do I.

Most people don't give a rats ass about what you are obviously obsessed
with.

It's front page news.


It's quite pathetic.
Funny, but pathetic.
To bad Calvin and Hobbes retired.


The pathetic thing is you hiding your head in the sand.


From what?
I guarentee I'm not infected.
I doubt you have any clue of how the exploit you linked to would run.
Perhaps you would like to show how little you know, and post how it
would work here----_____________

You're probably infected and don't even know you're spamming the world
through a net bot.

--
Alias

In article 31,
says...

It has its downside, but I prefer the freedom of using what
I want.

So those that use Linux shouldn't have the freedom of using what
*they* want ?

They want to download a game in .exe form.
Tell them how.
Don't forget...they are used to double clicking on things.


Surf the web with linux , and find something to
install. There's pretty much nothing available.

Why surf the web ? All you need to go is go he

www.linuxappfinder.com

All nicely categorized for you, and searchable, with d/l links
right on the page for certain distros, links to the s/w's home
page, etc.

99% are free and/or Open Source.

Finding s/w for Linux doesn't get any easier than this.

http://live.gnome.org/glChess

Hahahaha.
Just what I want, to be visually bored to death.

From what?
I guarentee I'm not infected.
I doubt you have any clue of how the exploit you linked to
would run. Perhaps you would like to show how little you
know, and post how it would work here----_____________

It's very simple.......whenever a program is run and needs to
load a dll, by default, it *always* looks in the app's install
dir first.

If it's *not* an activeX DLL, which looks through the registry
for the CLSID of the latest version and where it's installed, it
simply looks at the app directory first for that DLL, and if
it's not found there, it then searches the %PATH% and tries to
find it there.

As we all know, when a program installs, it usually dumps a
whole lot of DLLs on the HD...some in the program directory,
others in the 'Shared' section, and some in Windows and
/System32, etc.

If it was known what program(s) you had on your PC, it could be
a trivial issue to drop a DLL file in the programs directory
that has the same name of a DLL that the installer dropped
elsewhere. The next time you run the program, it could find the
DLL locally in the app directory, and then load the DLL.

One the DLL is loaded, it will do whatever it does upon
initialization, and at that point, you could be screwed. The
program won't run and will crash, or freeze, or do nothing, or
throw a error.

The only thing you think you have is a borked installation of
some program. After searching the internet and trying to fix it,
nothing works, so you end up uninstalling and reinstalling the
program, which replaces the bad DLL with the correct one and the
program once again runs fine.

At this point however, it's too late, the bad DLL already d/l'd
and installed or extracted the malicious program out of itself,
dropped it in multiple places on the HD, edited the registry,
etc.

The only hope is that UAC caught the DLL trying to be replced.
It might not, if it was a non-UAC compliant program that wasn't
installed in Progra~1.