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  #61  
Old January 25th 11, 10:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jeff Layman
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?


No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.


And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.

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  #62  
Old January 25th 11, 11:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bob Henson[_2_]
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On 25/01/2011 05:33, Justin wrote:

You can still access newsgroups and post with WLM, but you will ****
over every person in whatever newsgroup you post to since WLM is
severely broken and cannot post properly. MSFT has know about this issue
and has made no moves towards fixing it.

I think it was done on purpose to try and persuade users to leave Usenet
and go to web based, moderated forums.


I think they may find that Usenetters won't give up that easily. I can
think of a few that would change O/S rather than give in to Microsoft's
attempts at total domination and switch to their forums.



15 doesn't support usenet. Anyone who says different is a complete douche


Agreed - you just proved it very successfully. Look at the mess it made
of the quoting. The other main problem is that if the WLM user doesn't
remove the signature of the last poster by hand (should be automatic in
a real mail program) the message becomes part of the last signature, and
is either impossible to read, or stripped off and missing altogether,
depending on the receiver's setting.

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  #63  
Old January 25th 11, 11:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
[quoted text muted]
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me.


It does not, and the above is a perfect illustration. You have
screwed up the quotes, taking credit (in effect) for what I said.

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  #64  
Old January 25th 11, 11:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:56:39 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

[quoted text muted]
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.


That is not true.

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  #65  
Old January 25th 11, 11:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:25:56 -0600, Weasel wrote:

WLM 2009 works fine for me and I sure won't upgrade again.


That's good. Now please stop posting upside down.

http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#upside

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  #66  
Old January 25th 11, 11:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gordon
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On 25/01/2011 00:09, Nil wrote:


Most dedicated newsreaders have much stronger filtering features than
do OE, WLM, and TBird.


TBird's Newsgroup filters are now (v 3.1.x) much better than they have
been - they allow you to filter on any message header now...
  #67  
Old January 25th 11, 12:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roy Smith[_6_]
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On 1/24/2011 11:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:09:03 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:
I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all,
but as far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was)
*much* worse than Outlook Express.
How so? Like I said, I never got into OE much, but in my limited
experience, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail look pretty much like
OE, and seemed to operate in similar ways.




Yes, similar--but not identical. As I've said many times, I consider
Windows Mail to just be a new version of Outlook Express with a
different name, and Windows Live Mail to be a still newer version with
a different name.

But regarding in what ways I found Windows Live Mail to be much worse
than Outlook Express, I wish I could be specific, but I can't. It's
been too long since I tried it for me to remember the details.


Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?


There is no email program that comes with Windows 7. Though some PC
manufacturers bundle Windows Live Mail among the other crap they put on
their PC's.


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Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:32:52 AM
  #68  
Old January 25th 11, 12:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roy Smith[_6_]
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On 1/25/2011 12:45 AM, Lee Waun wrote:


"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to
newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files
that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What
features do
other
people need that WLM can't provi

Tom L


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.

Tom L



I am using WLM and it is quoting everything very well.


That's because you are using the previous version. It's the latest
version that doesn't do quoted text properly.


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Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:37:47 AM
  #69  
Old January 25th 11, 12:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
G. Morgan[_5_]
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Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:10:10 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.



WLM does not add a "" for quoted text? That's a major "whoops",
if so!


It's so, alright, but it's not the only thing broken in WLM 15.


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.



  #70  
Old January 25th 11, 01:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gordon
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On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...
  #71  
Old January 25th 11, 01:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Alias[_48_]
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...


First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

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  #72  
Old January 25th 11, 01:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gordon
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On 25/01/2011 12:13, Alias wrote:

I don't see Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


Not that I'm aware of, but then I've never had anything Apple....
  #73  
Old January 25th 11, 01:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Alias[_48_]
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On 01/25/2011 01:37 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 12:13, Alias wrote:

I don't see Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


Not that I'm aware of, but then I've never had anything Apple....


I had one, the first Mac. 128K. You couldn't type more than 8 pages of
text without having to save to the external hard drive that housed a
floppy. I bought it for 4 thousand dollars and sold it for 6 in
Venezuela. I haven't had a Mac since.

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  #74  
Old January 25th 11, 03:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700, GreyCloud
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:09:03 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all,
but as far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was)
*much* worse than Outlook Express.
How so? Like I said, I never got into OE much, but in my limited
experience, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail look pretty much like
OE, and seemed to operate in similar ways.




Yes, similar--but not identical. As I've said many times, I consider
Windows Mail to just be a new version of Outlook Express with a
different name, and Windows Live Mail to be a still newer version with
a different name.

But regarding in what ways I found Windows Live Mail to be much worse
than Outlook Express, I wish I could be specific, but I can't. It's
been too long since I tried it for me to remember the details.


Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?




No. Windows 7 has no standard e-mail client. It comes with none.
However, since it's free, many (probably most) OEMs are bundling it
with computers they sell. As a result it has become the post popular
e-mail client used with Windows 7, and many people who got it with
their computers don't even realize that it's not part of Windows 7.
  #75  
Old January 25th 11, 06:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jack[_13_]
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?


No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.


And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.


No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

 




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