32 GB memory stick

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives. I have 4 external drives
connected at the moment via USB, but that's slow and ugly and
therefore only a temp solution until I shake off enough laziness to
build a second system. At that point it will also make sense to rack
both of them properly.

--

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On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:55:40 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
[]
What do you fill them quickly _with_? Uncompressed HD video perhaps?

Someone else made a list of possible suspects in this thread. I
suspect it would be slightly different for everyone.

Which is it in your case?

Video is the biggest space hog.

And when you _have_ filled them, what do you do with them: unplug them
and archive them?

Um, no, that would make them inaccessible.

So what _do_ you do?

I make sure they stay accessible, of course. The server has 16
internal drives and 4 external drives at the moment, so those are
obviously online and available. A half dozen more drives are currently
installed in other systems on the LAN and shared, so in effect they
are accessible, too. The only drive that's usually offline is one that
contains some full image backups, but most of the backups are done to
other drives that are always available.

Is that pretty much what you do?

--

Char Jackson

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:55:40 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
[]
Which is it in your case?

Video is the biggest space hog.

And when you _have_ filled them, what do you do with them: unplug them
and archive them?

Um, no, that would make them inaccessible.

So what _do_ you do?

I make sure they stay accessible, of course. The server has 16
internal drives and 4 external drives at the moment, so those are
obviously online and available. A half dozen more drives are currently
installed in other systems on the LAN and shared, so in effect they
are accessible, too. The only drive that's usually offline is one that
contains some full image backups, but most of the backups are done to
other drives that are always available.

Is that pretty much what you do?

(-:! Here I have a 30G C: partition, which is about half full, and a
113G D: partition, 43.2G used - and those are after having had this PC
for some time - a few years. (Backups are to optical discs.)

When do you get the opportunity to _look at_ all that video? You seem to
spend a fair amount of time in this newsgroup, as do I, and I assume you
have other hobbies - and presumably a job, to fund all that hardware! -
so ...

[Note: I am _not_ _criticising_; whatever people choose to do with their
time and money, so long as it doesn't infringe on others, is - more or
less - OK by me. I can't see your activities affecting others, other
than keeping up the local cost of disc drives (-:! I'm just wondering
_why_ you do what you do. "Because I can" is a perfectly valid answer as
far as I'm concerned!]
--
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so long, and thanks for all the fish. (Last message of dolphinkind to mankind
before the demolition of earth - from first series, fit the third.)

"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/5t8c2zl

I bought one, and it works; or at least it has the once that I've
used it to backup my personal files.

Where's it all going to end? It's not that long ago that I bought a
1TB hard drive, and now they're up to 3TB (And no, don't tell me if
by the time you read this they've got even bigger).

Ed

I've had a 64gb USB stick for almost 3 years now. Handy little
sucker....

On 06/11/2011 12:48, Stewart wrote:
"Ed wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/5t8c2zl

I bought one, and it works; or at least it has the once that I've
used it to backup my personal files.

Where's it all going to end? It's not that long ago that I bought a
1TB hard drive, and now they're up to 3TB (And no, don't tell me if
by the time you read this they've got even bigger).

Ed

I've had a 64gb USB stick for almost 3 years now. Handy little
sucker....



That must have cost the earth at the time!
Look at this now;
http://tinyurl.com/c7yyao9

I paid 30 pound sterling for my 32GB one last week. It strikes me that
it would be absolutely reckless, self-indulgent luxury to get a 64GB one
now, let alone at whatever price you paid 3 years back.
Portable HDs are far, far more economically viable for data in quantity.

Just an opinion, but I still haven't won the Lottery yet.

Ed

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives.


That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives.


That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I worked
for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves with
drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.

Steve

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Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per
port), but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other,
practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server
one of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15
3.5" drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted
in a PCI slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm
also out of places to install more internal drives.

That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I
worked for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves
with drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.

I infer that all 16 drives are in a single case, but that is not
unreasonable if the case is built for it. Normal drives can be stacked
on one inch centers.
--
Crash

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~ Samuel Johnson ~

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:42:56 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per
port), but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other,
practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server
one of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15
3.5" drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted
in a PCI slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm
also out of places to install more internal drives.

That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I
worked for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves
with drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.

I infer that all 16 drives are in a single case, but that is not
unreasonable if the case is built for it. Normal drives can be stacked
on one inch centers.

Yes, I was indirectly pointing out that there can be problems putting
all drives in one case. It's convenient to put all the storage in one
place but far from disaster proof. In these days all storage doesn't
even need to be in the same country!

Steve

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On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:27:20 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives.


That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I worked
for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves with
drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.


Yes, of course; that's certainly possible. However we are not talking
about a company here. This is an individual, and individuals very
seldom have rack-mounted systems.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:55:24 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:27:20 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives.


That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I worked
for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves with
drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.


Yes, of course; that's certainly possible. However we are not talking
about a company here. This is an individual, and individuals very
seldom have rack-mounted systems.

I'm just trying to point out that it's not a good idea to put
everything in one box.

I had two racks until my wife decided to buy some furniture. Mind, one
of the racks was for fish tanks!


Steve

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Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:27:20 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20
per port), but offer a way to expand if you're run out of
other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second
server one of these days. My current server can only properly
mount 15 3.5" drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not
SSD) mounted in a PCI slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on
that system, I'm also out of places to install more internal
drives.

That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for
so many drives. You have a *big* case!
Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I
worked for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves
with drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.


Yes, of course; that's certainly possible. However we are not talking
about a company here. This is an individual, and individuals very
seldom have rack-mounted systems.

Depends on whether they are married. A bachelor geek might have a rack
of servers next to the wall mounted, big screen plasma TV, or the beer
cooler. :-)
--
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damned thing you can do about it.

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Yes, of course; that's certainly possible. However we are not talking
about a company here. This is an individual, and individuals very seldom
have rack-mounted systems.

Depends on whether they are married. A bachelor geek might have a rack
of servers next to the wall mounted, big screen plasma TV, or the beer
cooler. :-)

....or both. Or, better yet, all of them in a single enclosure.

Joe

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:32:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:33:30 -0400, Paul wrote:

For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
snip good info

Thanks, Paul. The way I'm headed is to just build a second server one
of these days. My current server can only properly mount 15 3.5"
drives, so the 16th drive is a 2.5" unit (not SSD) mounted in a PCI
slot. I'm not only out of SATA ports on that system, I'm also out of
places to install more internal drives.


That was going to be my next question--how do you have room for so
many drives. You have a *big* case!

It's a Norco 450B, modified to replace the 3 external drive bays in
favor of 5 more internal drive bays.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219030

Here's a pic showing the first 15 drives installed, before the cables
were connected.
http://tinypic.com/r/2ufvf4w/5

--

Char Jackson

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:27:20 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:09:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

Hundreds of drives can be installed in 19" racks. The company I worked
for until I retired had lots of racks with lots of shelves with
drawers full of drives. Everything was triplicated.

As someone else said, that's hard to justify for an individual.

--

Char Jackson