No email on W-7

"RH Breener" wrote in message
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I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS
doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like
WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.




MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink
their kool-aid.

Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of
us who can't stand WLM.



It's not a "sanctioned" hack, and the Kppl-Aid part still applies. w
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see.

I can't locate the place to make the rules, and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. My
inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." I can only delete
them one at a time. How do I delete permanently all the messages in the
delete folders? This *&^%$#@ WLM is the pits. The rules are not under
Filter Messages or anywhere else I looked. And it wont work with one of the
three gmail addresses we use. I've deleted it and readded this one account
at least 4 times now yet it keeps saying the password don't match. The same
account with the same password works on two other computers.


Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right.

I found that.


You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like
OE and WinMail.


Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are
workarounds.

I'll try a work-around and see if it works for me.



How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx


How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html

When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to
work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future.

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

snip

If you are just doing Registry mods get ERUNT from
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

But you should learn how to do an image

--
Zaidy036

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , RH Breener
writes:
Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There

From all accounts, you're not missing much - WLM version 15, at least,
doesn't quote properly. (Incidentally, my understanding is that it isn't
actually part of a basic W7 install, so whoever built the PC - HP? - must
have decided to include it. It's free from Microsoft.)

Yes, HP installs it.


is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of

Interesting that you don't like Thunderbird, if you like OutlookExpress;
it can be made to look very like OE. There are also flavours of TB - for
example, there's one that looks like Eudora, if you know that one.

Thunderbird is far better than WLM, but I still prefer to use OE or WM.
I've been using the MS email software since 1995. That makes it hard to
switch also. But of the two, if I can't somehow get WM to work on the W7
computer, I'll use Thunderbird.


WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I _think_ you can - Windows Mail as opposed to Windows Live Mail - though
not OE. Over to the experts ...

I have the info from above and will give it a go, see what happens.


As for seeing the size of mails before you download them, see if your
provider offers a web interface; those usually do show the size.

Google mail has a web interface but I would much rather get my mail right on
my PC.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you are afraid of being lonely, don't try to be right. - Jules Renard,
writer (1864-1910)

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:28 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best.

Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email
program they like best.



Certainly. But the probability of someone exploring the alternatives
and choosing what they like best is *much* higher if it comes with no
e-mail program and they are therefore forced to make a choice

Please note that in the sentence you quoted above, I said "more free,"
not "free."


Windows still comes with IE and we all use
MozillaFireFox as our browser.


We do *not* all use Firefox. Note the following two points:

1. An enormous number of people use IE, because they either don't know
there are alternatives or because it's much easier to just stick with
what comes with Windows rather than explore the alternatives.

2. Even among those of us who are interested in exploring the
alternatives, we don't all use Firefox. I, for example, greatly prefer
Maxthon to Firefox and that's what I use


My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).


Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and
I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little
complicated but I think I can do it.


I'm personally not a Thunderbird fan, but I think it's a *much* better
choice than Windows Live Mail. Why not use it even if you can get
Windows Live Mail to work?

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with


Note that it's your HP PC that came with Windows Live Mail, not
Windows 7. Windows Live Mail is a free program that HP (and many other
OEMs) bundle with their Windows 7 computers.


a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.



I'm entirely with you. I think it's about the worst choice there is.


How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



Yes. Read he
http://www.mydigitallife.info/downlo...-in-windows-7/

But you can *not* run Outlook Express in Windows 7.

Here's my standard post on this subject:

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best.

Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email
program they like best. Windows still comes with IE and we all use
MozillaFireFox as our browser.

There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

If your computer came with Windows 7 preinstalled, it may have also
come with Windows Live Mail. If so, that's not because Windows 7 came
with it, it's because your computer's manufacturer bundled it with
what he sold you.
Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).


Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and
I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little
complicated but I think I can do it.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:11:21 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:


"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.


Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program
for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs,
one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I
can have both open at once.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:24:02 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:


Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to
live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of
email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch.


I don't think it's really confusing at all. Whenever you go from one
thing to another (programs or almost anything else) you go through a
period of adjustment. It takes some time to get accustomed to the
differences, but with decent software it doesn't take very long. And
once you get accustomed to the differences, you may even prefer the
new to the old.

For example, whenever I rent a car while on vacation, it takes me a
little time to get accustomed to the differences between it and what I
own. But in a day or two, I'm comfortable with I'm driving, and often
prefer at least some of the features on the rented car.

Ken Blake wrote:

RH Breener wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for
e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for
each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have
both open at once.

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:58:42 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on
their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a
pre-installed OS means you get bloatware.

Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice.


You are assuming that there are only those two choices: buy a
pre-built OEM computer or build your own. That is *not* correct; there
is a third choice and it's the one I prefer and use most of the time.

What I almost always do is use a local builder to build what I want,
to my specifications. I choose all the components and he assembles
them. I've built my own several times, but I prefer having someone
else do it and paying not a whole lot of money for the service. I
prefer it because, although it's easy to build a computer (it's not
much more than plugging the components together; similar to plugging
together stereo components, but with a computer they are inside the
case), it isn't always easy to troubleshoot any problems you have
building it.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...

"RH Breener" wrote in message
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Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can
see.




Inline with snippage.


I can't locate the place to make the rules,


See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.


Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.



My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a
large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all."


Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA


Very good. Thank you.

"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...
Hi, RH.

As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO
mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine.
Microsoft got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and
prior, so they removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from
Win7. They say that we are now free to select any mail/news client we
want (Thunderbird, Agent, or any of several others) and install it
ourselves.

OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially.
But some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard
to find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll
probably get flamed for that.)

RC

No flames. To each is or her own. smile

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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brevity snipped

Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to
Windows 7.

From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's
more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7 and
firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it to
work for them.

"Peter Jason" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from
XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought
Outlook10 and have not regretted it.
Peter

Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail on
Vista?