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"Big Steel" wrote in message m... Just use Thunderbird it is free. I downloaded it. It's better than WLM so if I can't get WM to work on W7, as stated above. That will be my choice and I'll uninstall WLM. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:56:00 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: [snip] Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control. Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have everything selected that you want. Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than one range. GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I never bought that argument. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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"Stan Brown" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, RH Breener wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. Count your blessings. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. If you say what you don't like, people might be able to suggest something that wouldn't have those disadvantages for you. Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch. Personally, I struggled with Pegasus for a long time, and Thunderbird has been a breath of fresh air. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail "Windows 7 It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe." I couldn't find anything at that site relevant to enabling WM on W-7. It's like looking for needle in a haystack at that site. I found the tutorial here. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in trouble, recovery is painless. How do I do a "system image?" I don't have software (?) to do that. This is so complicated I'm not feeling comfortable doing it. I once used Norton Ghost to make an image of my HD and it was useless when the computer had problems. I ended up reformatting the HD. And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup. http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/ Paul |
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"Nil" wrote in message ... On 19 Jun 2012, Paul wrote in alt.windows7.general: Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail "Windows 7 It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe." I found the tutorial here. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in trouble, recovery is painless. And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup. http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/ I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never use it, but at least I know it can be done. How did you get Permission to add the dll in that WM folder? Unlike other versions of W, this version W7 does not allow the owner to do as they want which I deeply resent. Pernission to do something on my own PC? The 'Take Ownership' download was opened but didn't work. How can I take ownership? |
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a pre-installed OS means you get bloatware. Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice. Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing Windows Live Mail is: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads. For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include the following clauses in a rule? Huh? I couldn't even find the hidden place to add them until someone posted it here. Where the message is more than size Do not Download it from the server Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were defined before this one? You lost me since until someone here told me how to find the rule setting place, I had no idea where it was. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under Windows 7. http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...-in-windows-7/ I'm more interested in running WindowsMail, not OE on the new computer. But for some reason MS doesn't allow the person who buys W7 or gets it on their new PC to do as they want. What the hell is with this "ermission" nonsense? I can't follow the directions of getting WM to work because I can't get control of the files already on my W7 PC. How the hell do I get Administrator permission when I am the administrator of the computer? The "take control" software download didn't work. |
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I can't locate the place to make the rules, ... See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in the newer version. And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest version won't install on Windows XP. The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version, you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to see the Message Rules button. Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7 http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D (found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule) I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers. MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their kool-aid. Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of us who can't stand WLM. Mozilla Newsgroups: news.mozilla.org -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen" wrote: Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows. To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. - Delete. To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. - Delete. To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete. Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control. Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have everything selected that you want. Thank you. -- Char Jackson |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote: This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1 installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there? Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose "Properties". The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows edition". Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) I has SP1. |
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"Chris S." wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... brevity snipped Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to Windows 7. From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7 and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it to work for them. Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a half on my main machine. How did you get it to work? The software to gain control I downloaded did nothing. I'm the Administrator of this PC and yet can't do what I want and it's making me resentful. What's with all the "permissions" crap on W-7? When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full permissions on all of the files. How? I'm new to W-7 and none of this 'permissions' makes sense to me. How do you give yourself "full permissions?" And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to your taskbar. Chris |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:56:00 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: [snip] Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control. Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have everything selected that you want. Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than one range. You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised at how few others seem to know about it. GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I never bought that argument. Each has its fans and detractors. -- Char Jackson |
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought Outlook10 and have not regretted it. Peter Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail on Vista? You can download a trial here. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook FYI: Outlook does not do news. OK, then I would not be interested at all. When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one. http://www.google.com/search?q=thund...I7GGHP_enUS449 Thanks... I'm only learning to use it now so I'll skip the complications of add-ons for awhile. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: RH Breener wrote: Bruce Hagen wrote: FYI: Outlook does not do news. OK, then I would not be interested at all. Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything, but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have both open at once. Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a private email to a newsgroup. Not quite. Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply to a Usenet post via e-mail. I usually don't click the wrong button :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:32:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill wrote: Ken Blake wrote: RH Breener wrote: Bruce Hagen wrote: FYI: Outlook does not do news. OK, then I would not be interested at all. Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything, but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have both open at once. Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a private email to a newsgroup. Not quite. Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply to a Usenet post via e-mail. I usually don't click the wrong button :-) It's easy in Agent to move the two reply buttons to opposite ends of the toolbar, but occasionally one has a senior moment... -- Robin Bignall Herts, England |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:10:53 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [snip] Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than one range. You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised at how few others seem to know about it. I have never read anything on it. Thinking it ought to be possible, I tried a bit of experimenting, but did not think to try Ctrl and Shift together. GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I never bought that argument. Each has its fans and detractors. I use both. I find CLIs usually to be beter documented. GUIs are supposedly intuitive so fine points get omitted, like the one you just documented for me. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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