WIndows10 Home: No internet connection

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:41:12 +0000, I wrote:

(The continued absence of an internet connection prevents
finding/installing of a driver for whichever wired mouse I try....)

If I can find a W10 driver for my Logitech B100 optical mouse I could
perhaps
download it into my desktop PC and then present it to my internet-less
Windows10 via
a flash drive and at least get the mouse working...

So far I've filed to find a source of mouse driver that is not tied up
with some
registration scheme or other complication..

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Maurice wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 18:18:50 +0000, I wrote:

(Whereas Device Manager/Network adapters shows:
- Realtek PCIe GBE Family Cotroller - Realtek RTL8723BE 802.11
bgn WiFi adapters
(which I earlier uninstalled and re-installed a suggested
elsewhere)

See:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nacnzf2hj...finds-network-
hw-.JPG?dl=0


Are there HWids in the Properties of the Unknown ones ?

Paul

Maurice wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:41:12 +0000, I wrote:

(The continued absence of an internet connection prevents
finding/installing of a driver for whichever wired mouse I try....)

If I can find a W10 driver for my Logitech B100 optical mouse I could
perhaps
download it into my desktop PC and then present it to my internet-less
Windows10 via
a flash drive and at least get the mouse working...

So far I've filed to find a source of mouse driver that is not tied up
with some
registration scheme or other complication..


The mouse and three of its buttons, are handled
by an in-box Windows driver. If you have a mouse with
more than three buttons, the manufacturer driver is
what you want if you expect all the buttons to work.
But by default, the OS driver supports three buttons.

If anything, you uninstall manufacturer drivers, in situations
where it seems the manufacturer driver is the source of the problem.

Note that, device detection is "gated". It's possible for the
OS to decide you have more than one device of a certain class,
and to disable it on a reboot. This behavior has varied from
one version of Windows 10 to another.

While storage devices have a StartOverride registry key,
I don't see anything for a mouse.

Of the mice I own, the RS232 ("serial") three-button mouse
always worked in Windows 10. But sometimes the USB mouse
would disappear on me. And occasionally a reboot would fix it.
I have a serial port on my SuperI/O and connect the serial
mouse to that with an adapter cable (2x5 serial port header to ribbon
cable to DB9 to mouse). Whereas on Linux, the serial mouse
*never* worked. This is why you have so many mice connected :-)

There was nothing magic to that serial mouse, and I haven't
a clue why the OS keeps detecting it as well as it does. The
serial mouse was $5 and was sitting in the "delete bin" at
the computer store - and I just had to have one for my
Smithsonian Collection.

Paul

Maurice wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 13:51:56 +0000, Maurice wrote:

As I have said before, at the 3rd step all I see (under "Network
Connections") as an empty window except for the info:
"The folder is empty"...

THAT is the problem!

See:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3pxm73r9u7...-conns-folder-
empty.JPG?dl=0


Well it looks like you have no Internet Connection because you have no
recognized network adapters. What do you have listed in Device Manager
listed under Network adapters?

WinKey + R, then enter devmgmt.msc

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:39:34 -0500, Paul wrote:

The mouse and three of its buttons, are handled by an in-box Windows
driver.

Not here, it seems. I've tried 2 corded mice:

- Logitech B100 optical
- The HP small mouse that cme with the HP Probook 452.

In neither case does W10 acknowledge its existence, and in
'Device Manager/Mice and other pointing devices' the only thing shown is:
"Synaptics PS/2 Port Touchpad"
which does work.

Regards,
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:12:10 -0500, Paul wrote:

Are there HWids in the Properties of the Unknown ones ?

No. Only info shown is "Unknown device".

Regards,
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:19:41 +0000, I wrote:

Device Manager/Mice and other pointing devices' the only thing shown is:
"Synaptics PS/2 Port Touchpad"
which does work.

However, "Other Devices" does show:

"USB Optical Mouse", whose properties include:

"Location: Port_#0002.Hub_0002"

and its 'Device Status' shows "The drivers for this device are not
installed".

Regards,
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Maurice wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:19:41 +0000, I wrote:

Device Manager/Mice and other pointing devices' the only thing shown is:
"Synaptics PS/2 Port Touchpad"
which does work.

However, "Other Devices" does show:

"USB Optical Mouse", whose properties include:

"Location: Port_#0002.Hub_0002"

and its 'Device Status' shows "The drivers for this device are not
installed".

Regards,

This is what mine shows. The mouse is on a USB2 port on the Southbridge.
A number of the later Intel Southbridges have two USB2 blocks that
share bandwidth over six ports on one block and eight ports on the
other block. The mouse is connected to device 1D26 in this case.
The picture didn't capture the USB Input Device I guess.

https://s9.postimg.org/ac8cq0pwf/usb_input_device.gif

USB Input Device Port_#0006.Hub_#0006
hidclass.sys
hidparse.sys
hidusb.sys

HID-Compliant Mouse on USB Input Device
mouhid.sys
mouclass.sys

Now, if I use Uwe Sieber's USBTreeView, it gives a view too.

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html

And this is the USB Mouse. Uwes tool shows info about the
first thing above, the lowest level of the mouse setup.

https://s9.postimg.org/omhx1d8rz/treeview.gif

It sounds like on yours, one level of that two item
"stack" didn't "take".

Paul

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:18:40 -0500, Paul wrote:

It sounds like on yours, one level of that two item "stack" didn't
"take".

No, something did not 'take here, but the $64 question is:

What can I do about it?!

Regards,
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Maurice wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:18:40 -0500, Paul wrote:

It sounds like on yours, one level of that two item "stack" didn't
"take".

No, something did not 'take here, but the $64 question is:

What can I do about it?!

Regards,

1) Make a backup (so you can restore C: and System Reserved after an "accident").

2) Delete USB hubs from Device Manager.

3) Allow the system to rediscover the hardware on a reboot.

At one time, you could delete the entire ENUM tree in
the registry, and it would take about two minutes
for everything to be rediscovered again. This was
a *lot* safer to do in the PS/2 era, as when you
did that, the PS/2 keyboard and mouse, always seemed
to be ready when you were. USB comes with fewer guarantees
when you try stuff like that. The USB HID might remain
unusable for a minute or so, before getting re-discovered.

There is an example here, which is being a little less
nasty to the system.

Figure 2 here shows deleting a USB root hub. Since USB
TreeView shows you which root hub the device is on, you
don't even need to do all of them. Just the implicated
one could be deleted.

"Troubleshooting USB Connections (Windows 10, 8)"

https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c03327635

With a backup, you can be as nasty as you want. Make
*sure* you have the emergency boot CD (or USB key)
so you can restore from backup. Any time I'm not
sure how an experiment will go, I use that idea
for protection.

Paul

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:05:53 -0500, Paul wrote:

1) Make a backup (so you can restore C: and System Reserved after an
"accident").

2) Delete USB hubs from Device Manager.

3) Allow the system to rediscover the hardware on a reboot.

Sounds a good, plan, though as I have on the probook some other (non-
Windows)
working installations I do not trust MS backup/restore not to touch them!

If deleting USB hubs as above ONLY affects Windows' use of USB hubs then
I believe
I would be no worse off if it doesn't work, as it would presumably not
affect
non-Windows systems.

Do you think I have drawn the right onclusion, Paul?

Regards,
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Maurice wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:05:53 -0500, Paul wrote:

1) Make a backup (so you can restore C: and System Reserved after an
"accident").

2) Delete USB hubs from Device Manager.

3) Allow the system to rediscover the hardware on a reboot.

Sounds a good, plan, though as I have on the probook some other (non-
Windows)
working installations I do not trust MS backup/restore not to touch them!

If deleting USB hubs as above ONLY affects Windows' use of USB hubs then
I believe
I would be no worse off if it doesn't work, as it would presumably not
affect
non-Windows systems.

Do you think I have drawn the right onclusion, Paul?

Regards,

I think a selective delete would be OK.

*******

I've backed up Mac Disks with "dd" before.

Since my Mac G4 has lousy I/O, the fastest interface
on it is the GbE NIC.

My Mac G4 is PowerPC. I run a PowerPC distro of Linux
on the Mac G4. This makes the hard drive quiescent
(not in usage during the backup, not mounted).
I backed up the entire 80GB IDE drive inside the G4 like this,
over FTP protocol. You adjust the block_size parameter, to
be an evenly divisible factor of the total physical disk size.
The disk was 80GB or so. The two drives are sda and sdb as
far as Linux is concerned.

ftp binary
ftp put "|dd if=/dev/sda bs=73728" sda

I can restore them the same way, only with an FTP get command.

See the fun you can have ?

The "dd" or Disk Dump, is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
It allows backing up *anything*, because it doesn't care
about file systems. The only downfall, is it is inefficient.
An 80GB drive with 10GB files, takes 80GB storage on backup.
That's why nobody uses this method. However, if you don't
trust any of your software to do backups, that's how you do
it.

If you have an Intel Mac, I would expect a lot more distros
to boot. When you press the letter C and get the OS to
boot from a CDROM drive.

*******

Just for fun, I tried deleting the entire ENUM key
in a Win10 VM. And it worked (whatever that means).

https://s9.postimg.org/vwioz43f3/WIN10_delete_ENUM.gif

psexec -hsi cmd === 32 bit OS, opens SYSTEM cmd.exe window
psexec64 -hsi cmd === 64 bit OS, opens SYSTEM cmd.exe window

reg delete HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum /f

https://s9.postimg.org/q8ce88ei7/WIN10_discovers_HW.gif

Paul

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 13:21:38 -0500, Paul wrote:

The "dd" or Disk Dump, is the last refuge of the scoundrel. It allows
backing up *anything*, because it doesn't care about file systems. The
only downfall, is it is inefficient.

I used to use 'dd' but soon changed to 'rsync' for incremental backup/
restore.

Regards,
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:05:53 -0500, Paul wrote:

Delete USB hubs from Device Manager

Just returned to the fray...

[Tried plugging the mouse in via a 4-socket USB 2.0 hub.
Works fine on non-Windows app, but W10 - though it now shows
(under 'Other devices'):
"USB2.0 Hub", the mousse plugged into the hub is dead.]
(Above it are 2 lines "Unknown device")

Looking further down Device Manager's list, I see:

"Universal Serial Bus Controller" with sub-items:

- Generic USB hubs
- Intel(R) USB 3.0eXtensible Host Controller -1.0 (Microsoft)
- Mobile 5th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) USB EHCI Controller -9CA6
- USB Composite Device
- USb Root Hub
- USB Root Hub (xHCI)

$64 question: Which of the above should be uninstalled to try to retrieve
the
Network Connections infoamtion?!

I also tried uninstalling the 2 Realtek Network adaptors, then rebooting:
After reboot I found the adaptors had been re-installed, but the
Network
Connections folder is still empty and the mouse is dead...

Regards,
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Maurice wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:05:53 -0500, Paul wrote:

Delete USB hubs from Device Manager

Just returned to the fray...

[Tried plugging the mouse in via a 4-socket USB 2.0 hub.
Works fine on non-Windows app, but W10 - though it now shows
(under 'Other devices'):
"USB2.0 Hub", the mousse plugged into the hub is dead.]
(Above it are 2 lines "Unknown device")

Looking further down Device Manager's list, I see:

"Universal Serial Bus Controller" with sub-items:

- Generic USB hubs
- Intel(R) USB 3.0eXtensible Host Controller -1.0 (Microsoft)
- Mobile 5th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) USB EHCI Controller -9CA6
- USB Composite Device
- USb Root Hub
- USB Root Hub (xHCI)

$64 question: Which of the above should be uninstalled to try to retrieve
the
Network Connections infoamtion?!

I also tried uninstalling the 2 Realtek Network adaptors, then rebooting:
After reboot I found the adaptors had been re-installed, but the
Network
Connections folder is still empty and the mouse is dead...

Regards,

My problem is, I can't find a place in the file system, that corrals
stuff like this. The state info obviously gets registered when the
network chip driver comes up, but where is that info ? Sure, WMI may
have the info, but that doesn't trace the info to the origin.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...work-adapters/

On the previous OSes, you could do a "New Connection" to encourage
such a thing to appear. On this OS, it looks like "automation" has
taken over, and the damn thing is just named "Ethernet". Even the
ipconfig command in Command Prompt, doesn't hint at a "real" name.

The above blog, it still looks like interaction relies on "registration"
in the first place. If the adapter never registers with the OS, I
don't see how WMI will know about it. What I'm worried about,
is any of those commands aren't going to work, if the registration
has been destroyed for some reason.

Maybe I could trace it down, by looking for the INF in the INF folder.

Now, I can find a reference (as usual) to the driver wanting to
start a service, but after that, I can't see any sign of it anywhere.
Tasklist /svc no longer looks the same. Looking with Process Explorer
or even searching from there, isn't getting me anything either. I
tried using the name of the .sys the Network Chip uses and Process
Explorer cannot find it. And I ran Process Explorer as Administrator
too, to ensure it had permissions to look.

Paul