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Old December 27th 17, 03:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chaya Eve
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup?

This is a Windows question - for Windows experts only - the question has
absolutely nothing (per se) to do with Opera browsers or web proxies or
even vpn and security.

It's a Windows question for Windows experts only: '
How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup?

This question can only be answered by a Windows expert.
Anyone, like I am, who is not a Windows expert, will never answer it.

I'm not at all sophisticated so maybe it's impossible for Windows users to
find their unique device-id, but I would like to ask if there any Windows
experts on this newsgroup who can conceive of a good way on Windows to find
the unique Opera browser "device-id"?

I tried Wireshark and Telerik Fiddler, but the amount of data is
overwhelming so I need to better filter out to see what's being
transmitted.

Assuming I'm not the only person on the planet who asks this question, I
tried looking it up but the question has never been asked before, to my
knowledge - hence there are no answers to this specific question on the
net. (Or if it has been asked, I can't find the answer.)

For example the unique-to-the-user opera ID is explained, but not how to
identify your own particular unique id.
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016...ser-vpn-proxy/

I do realize that many non expert people will try to talk me out of a
proxy, but that's not the question in the least. (If I wanted to be talked
out of a proxy, I wouldn't be asking this basic question seeking a Windows
expert who knows how to find a unique device_id.)

Ghacks says the unique device-id is the "same ID that Opera has been using
for a long time" so it should be known by Windows experts how to find it:
https://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/26/a-...s-browser-vpn/

Perfect Privacy says the "device_id is sent to the proxy for every browsing
request and will remain permantly tied to the browser."
https://www.perfect-privacy.com/blog...-not-real-vpn/

I've scoured the net for a Windows-expert method to identify the exact
device-id used. I can't find a method.

This is not a proxy question - nor even a browser question - nor even a
security question - it's simply a Windows question for Windows experts
only:

How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my exact setup?
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Old December 28th 17, 01:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?



"Chaya Eve" wrote in message news
How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup?

This is a Windows question - for Windows experts only - the question has
absolutely nothing (per se) to do with Opera browsers or web proxies or
even vpn and security.

It's a Windows question for Windows experts only: '
How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup?

This question can only be answered by a Windows expert.
Anyone, like I am, who is not a Windows expert, will never answer it.

I'm not at all sophisticated so maybe it's impossible for Windows users to
find their unique device-id, but I would like to ask if there any Windows
experts on this newsgroup who can conceive of a good way on Windows to find
the unique Opera browser "device-id"?

I tried Wireshark and Telerik Fiddler, but the amount of data is
overwhelming so I need to better filter out to see what's being
transmitted.

Assuming I'm not the only person on the planet who asks this question, I
tried looking it up but the question has never been asked before, to my
knowledge - hence there are no answers to this specific question on the
net. (Or if it has been asked, I can't find the answer.)

For example the unique-to-the-user opera ID is explained, but not how to
identify your own particular unique id.
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016...ser-vpn-proxy/

I do realize that many non expert people will try to talk me out of a
proxy, but that's not the question in the least. (If I wanted to be talked
out of a proxy, I wouldn't be asking this basic question seeking a Windows
expert who knows how to find a unique device_id.)

Ghacks says the unique device-id is the "same ID that Opera has been using
for a long time" so it should be known by Windows experts how to find it:
https://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/26/a-...s-browser-vpn/

Perfect Privacy says the "device_id is sent to the proxy for every browsing
request and will remain permantly tied to the browser."
https://www.perfect-privacy.com/blog...-not-real-vpn/

I've scoured the net for a Windows-expert method to identify the exact
device-id used. I can't find a method.

This is not a proxy question - nor even a browser question - nor even a
security question - it's simply a Windows question for Windows experts
only:

How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my exact setup?


This may be of some value:

https://panopticlick.eff.org/

Run it then read about the "Show full results for fingerprinting" that
provides some details for you to consider on how Opera may make up their
unique device_id on your system. Think cookies as you're reading the
results.

Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question?
If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for
instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request
is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far.

Bob S.


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Old December 28th 17, 05:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chaya Eve
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote:

Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question?
If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for
instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request
is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far.


The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic because I know
before I asked that almost nobody knows enough about Windows networking to
actually answer the question (least of all me).

So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer, will be off
topic - because the topic is far too difficult to answer for almost all
people in this ng, unless they actually *are* Windows (networking) experts.

Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well enough to
answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer - because one to
none of those Windows experts are on this newsgroup most likely.
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Old December 29th 17, 01:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?



"Chaya Eve" wrote in message news
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote:

Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question?
If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for
instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request
is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far.


The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic because I know
before I asked that almost nobody knows enough about Windows networking to
actually answer the question (least of all me).

So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer, will be off
topic - because the topic is far too difficult to answer for almost all
people in this ng, unless they actually *are* Windows (networking) experts.

Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well enough to
answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer - because one to
none of those Windows experts are on this newsgroup most likely.

Chaya,

From my point of view after doing some brief research on behalf of your
inquiry, it is not totally a Windows issue but instead an Opera issue and
you should be looking for an Opera or even perhaps a Chrome knowledgeable
individual since it's based on Chrome. It's associated with Windows because
you are using the Opera browser within the windows operating environment and
the storage location for Opera's cookies, files and extensions is not
totally dictated by Windows.

If you read the reference site I included in my first post, it does offer
some possible clues with the one that may be worth considering and
researching further and that is Opera may be using a "Super Cookie" (ref:
https://www.techopedia.com/definitio...0/super-cookie)

If they do use a super cookie, I seriously doubt it will be easy to find but
with enough persistence and research - you may get lucky. Then you need to
know what you're looking at.

But even looking at standard cookies may be what you want. If you do happen
to find a cookie with an abbreviation like MUID (machine unique id) embedded
in it as Bing does - that may be what you are looking for. I doubt Opera
stores them in the same location as IE and from what I've read in some old
posts - you could try looking in %appdata%\Opera\Opera\cookies4.dat and
there is supposedly a direct toolbar link in Opera to the "Storage" section
where cookies are stored.

This is an old reference but contains Opera specific data format
explanations:
http://www.opera.com/docs/operafiles/#cookies

It has a lot of info but scroll down to "Cookie file formats" near the
bottom.

Again, have no idea of what you are trying to do but good luck.

Bob S.

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Old December 29th 17, 02:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chaya Eve
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:35:14 -0500, Bob_S wrote:

From my point of view after doing some brief research on behalf of your
inquiry, it is not totally a Windows issue but instead an Opera issue and
you should be looking for an Opera or even perhaps a Chrome knowledgeable
individual since it's based on Chrome.


I appreciate your advice as I'm sure this has never been asked before.
Certainly it has never been answered. So the chance of us solving the
problem is nearly zero - but there's a chance nonetheless.

The device_id, AFAIK, is generated by SurfEasy, not by Chrome.
The sequential subscriber-id, AFAIK, is generated by Opera, not by Chrome.
Hence, IMHO, it's not a Chrome issue.

It's a Windows issue to capture it.
It's also an Opera issue - but we'll never get the answer from the Opera
newsgroup as there's virtually zero traffic on that ng.

It's associated with Windows because
you are using the Opera browser within the windows operating environment and
the storage location for Opera's cookies, files and extensions is not
totally dictated by Windows.


If I was on Linux, I'd be asking the Linux users what Linux tools will
capture the device_id & subscriber-id as it is passed back and forth
through the networking protocols.

As it is, I'm on Windows - so that's why I ask Windows experts how to
capture a datum that is passed from the browser to the network & back.

If you read the reference site I included in my first post, it does offer
some possible clues with the one that may be worth considering and
researching further and that is Opera may be using a "Super Cookie" (ref:
https://www.techopedia.com/definitio...0/super-cookie)


The "super cookie" is a red herring because it still has to be stored
somewhere on Windows and it has to be passed back and forth by Windows.

If they do use a super cookie, I seriously doubt it will be easy to find but
with enough persistence and research - you may get lucky. Then you need to
know what you're looking at.


Exactly. I have to know the size of the datum, and when it's passed back
and forth. I tried Wireshark and Fiddler4 but both provide too much
extraneous data to catch the sequential subscriber-id and the user-specific
device_id.

But even looking at standard cookies may be what you want. If you do happen
to find a cookie with an abbreviation like MUID (machine unique id) embedded
in it as Bing does - that may be what you are looking for. I doubt Opera
stores them in the same location as IE and from what I've read in some old
posts - you could try looking in %appdata%\Opera\Opera\cookies4.dat and
there is supposedly a direct toolbar link in Opera to the "Storage" section
where cookies are stored.

This is an old reference but contains Opera specific data format
explanations:
http://www.opera.com/docs/operafiles/#cookies

It has a lot of info but scroll down to "Cookie file formats" near the
bottom.

Again, have no idea of what you are trying to do but good luck.


I appreciate the advice as I realize nobody has ever asked this before and
nobody knows the answer and Opera isn't telling and neither is SurfEasy.

So I never once thought it would be easy.
But maybe ... just maybe ... we'll get lucky and catch it somehow in a
network sniffer... that's what I'm hoping.

The Opera site generates a sequential subscriber-id which is then passed to
SurfEasy who generates the unique device_id (or so I understand) so both of
those have to be passed back and forth and stored somewhere.
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Old December 29th 17, 06:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

Chaya Eve
news alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote:

Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your
question? If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need
this (spoofing for instance) someone may be able to help you. If
your Windows Expert request is to minimize replies - well done!
Only mine so far.


The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic
because I know before I asked that almost nobody knows enough
about Windows networking to actually answer the question (least of
all me).

So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer,
will be off topic - because the topic is far too difficult to
answer for almost all people in this ng, unless they actually
*are* Windows (networking) experts.

Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well
enough to answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer
- because one to none of those Windows experts are on this
newsgroup most likely.


Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something
you probably shouldn't be? What does Windows Networking have to do
with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy? Why in
the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's
most likely going to be an encrypted transmission? You seem to be a
bit more than lost here...



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Old December 29th 17, 04:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chaya Eve
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something
you probably shouldn't be?


Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when you leave
the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside?

What does Windows Networking have to do
with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy?


Asking that is like asking:
"What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?"

Why in
the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's
most likely going to be an encrypted transmission?


That's like asking:
"Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change the winter
weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you cold?"

You seem to be a bit more than lost here...


What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only has never
been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could answer.
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Old December 29th 17, 07:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something
you probably shouldn't be?


Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when you leave
the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside?


Most people lock their door, but I don't know many people who take all
of the steps that you take. That's probably what Diesel was getting at.

What does Windows Networking have to do
with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy?


Asking that is like asking:
"What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?"


I thought it was a valid question. "Windows Networking" isn't
responsible for creating or storing either of the unique IDs in
question, and by the time they're being transported, the session is
encrypted.

Why in
the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's
most likely going to be an encrypted transmission?


That's like asking:
"Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change the winter
weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you cold?"


Same as above. I think he's asking a valid question.

You seem to be a bit more than lost here...


What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only has never
been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could answer.


Essentially, what you're asking is:
1. What are the two unique IDs and where are they stored?
2. Can they be manipulated to gain more privacy?

For #2, it's difficult because they are in an encrypted session. You
don't have the right certificate that would allow you to decrypt the
session to see the values. I'm specifically referring to the one that's
supposedly generated on the fly by the Surfeasy site. The behavior of
that ID is similar to a session cookie in that it's generated by the
server on the first request, then sent to the client with the
expectation that the client will return it on each subsequent request.
It's stored in memory, but likely not on disk.

For #1, you might have seen examples back in July/August when you were
asking the same questions in alt.os.linux.

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Old January 2nd 18, 03:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Diesel
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

Chaya Eve
news alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting
something you probably shouldn't be?


Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when
you leave the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside?


I don't know anyone who makes such assumptions, myself. If you do,
something's a little off with their line of thinking...

What does Windows Networking have to do
with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy?


Asking that is like asking:
"What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?"


I fail to see the comparison you're attempting to convey. You don't
seem to have a firm grasp on what Windows Networking is. It has
nothing directly to do with your web browser of choice. It couldn't
give two ****s about it, personally.

Why in
the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when
it's most likely going to be an encrypted transmission?


That's like asking:
"Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change
the winter
weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you
cold?"


Again, a flawed comparison which makes no sense.

You seem to be a bit more than lost here...


What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only
has never been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could
answer.


You don't appear to have a firm understanding of what it is you're
asking and you're making some bat**** crazy assumptions with regard
to who can/can't answer it. But, alas, feel free to carry on.
Sometimes, I could use a good laugh.




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