Question Concerning Ceating a XP Bootable USB?

I have tried Bart PE (PE Builder) twice and have failed. I have even
tried it with to different USBs, one 8GB, one 16GB. In both cases an
error was indicated 'Volume is too big for FAT16/12'. And the USB is
blank.

Could it be because I am using XP SP2 instead of SP1? Or am I doing
something else wrong? I am entering pe2usb -f: k:

Thanks

ME

wrote:
I have tried Bart PE (PE Builder) twice and have failed. I have even
tried it with to different USBs, one 8GB, one 16GB. In both cases an
error was indicated 'Volume is too big for FAT16/12'. And the USB is
blank.

Could it be because I am using XP SP2 instead of SP1? Or am I doing
something else wrong? I am entering pe2usb -f: k:

Thanks

ME

Because you are not using NTFS ?

wrote:
I have tried Bart PE (PE Builder) twice and have failed. I have even
tried it with to different USBs, one 8GB, one 16GB. In both cases an
error was indicated 'Volume is too big for FAT16/12'. And the USB is
blank.

Could it be because I am using XP SP2 instead of SP1? Or am I doing
something else wrong? I am entering pe2usb -f: k:

Thanks

ME

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Max. volume size FAT16: 2 GB (4 GB for 64 KB clusters)

For my experiments, I have a 1GB USB stick for FAT16 testing.
That way, the tools don't complain.

This is what I use, if the experiment will involve FAT16. Hard
to say, whether anything like this for sale today, is a legit 1GB
stick or not. Flash seems to start at around 8GB or so now.

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Trave...atraveller+1gb

Based on my experiments with Bart, I was pretty happy to just
use the CD option. As that worked. To avoid a barrel of
wasted CDs, you load them into VirtualPC 2007, and test that
they boot and do what they're supposed to do. That way, I
only needed to "waste" one CD, to get where I wanted to go.

Also, I vaguely remember doing that experiment you're trying,
and I think the Bart solution only works with a particular
flavor of FAT. And the code is not clever enough to look at
the volume, and say "your volume is FAT32, and this tool
cannot handle FAT32". Instead, the Bart solution just
corrupts the volume. So if you really think that method
is going to work, you'll need to feed it the FAT16 it is
looking for. And, that's where the small USB stick comes in.

I think I tried various methods, to make a larger stick
handle a smaller file system. One trick, for example, is
prepare FAT16 on a 1GB stick, then use "dd.exe" to image
the stick and copy it to an 8GB stick. That fools the
tools into thinking everything is OK. It's one way to get
FAT16 onto an 8GB stick (with space left over at the end
which cannot be accessed).

I did a ton of experiments, with nothing working to show
for my efforts. I don't remember all the permutations
and combinations I tried at the time. It's just a blur now.

Paul

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:25:09 -0500, Paul wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Max. volume size FAT16: 2 GB (4 GB for 64 KB clusters)

For my experiments, I have a 1GB USB stick for FAT16 testing.
That way, the tools don't complain.

This is what I use, if the experiment will involve FAT16. Hard
to say, whether anything like this for sale today, is a legit 1GB
stick or not. Flash seems to start at around 8GB or so now.

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Trave...atraveller+1gb

Based on my experiments with Bart, I was pretty happy to just
use the CD option. As that worked. To avoid a barrel of
wasted CDs, you load them into VirtualPC 2007, and test that
they boot and do what they're supposed to do. That way, I
only needed to "waste" one CD, to get where I wanted to go.

Also, I vaguely remember doing that experiment you're trying,
and I think the Bart solution only works with a particular
flavor of FAT. And the code is not clever enough to look at
the volume, and say "your volume is FAT32, and this tool
cannot handle FAT32". Instead, the Bart solution just
corrupts the volume. So if you really think that method
is going to work, you'll need to feed it the FAT16 it is
looking for. And, that's where the small USB stick comes in.

I think I tried various methods, to make a larger stick
handle a smaller file system. One trick, for example, is
prepare FAT16 on a 1GB stick, then use "dd.exe" to image
the stick and copy it to an 8GB stick. That fools the
tools into thinking everything is OK. It's one way to get
FAT16 onto an 8GB stick (with space left over at the end
which cannot be accessed).

I did a ton of experiments, with nothing working to show
for my efforts. I don't remember all the permutations
and combinations I tried at the time. It's just a blur now.

Paul


I have done some more searching via Google, and I think I see that
indeed my 8GB USBs are too big for FAT16. I don't have any small 1GB
USBs, so I guess I will just forget this.

Thanks

ME

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:40:32 +0000 (UTC), jim
wrote:


Because you are not using NTFS ?

I haven't been able to do a NTFS format on the USBs. Not sure that
would make Bart happy anyhow.

Thanks

ME

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:58:08 -0500, wrote:


I have done some more searching via Google, and I think I see that
indeed my 8GB USBs are too big for FAT16. I don't have any small 1GB
USBs, so I guess I will just forget this.

Thanks

ME


I wonder...

I would buy a cheapie 1GB flash drive just to try to get creating a
XP USB to work. Anyone point me to a source of same?
You know - like a buck or two?

Thanks

ME

wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:58:08 -0500, wrote:


I have done some more searching via Google, and I think I see that
indeed my 8GB USBs are too big for FAT16. I don't have any small 1GB
USBs, so I guess I will just forget this.

Thanks

ME


I wonder...

I would buy a cheapie 1GB flash drive just to try to get creating a
XP USB to work. Anyone point me to a source of same?
You know - like a buck or two?

Thanks

ME

Maybe you could combine one of these (SDHC)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161500

with one of these ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820816006

I picked a pair up like that the other day, only the SDHC was
a 32GB one. (Intended for a digital camera.) I try to pick a
USB device in that case, that only supports one standard. In
the hopes the connectors won't be messed up. Sometimes, when
they support multiple standards, it's possible to insert
the memory in such a way as to damage the connector.

Paul

wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:58:08 -0500, wrote:


I have done some more searching via Google, and I think I see that
indeed my 8GB USBs are too big for FAT16. I don't have any small 1GB
USBs, so I guess I will just forget this.

Thanks

ME


I wonder...

I would buy a cheapie 1GB flash drive just to try to get creating a
XP USB to work. Anyone point me to a source of same?
You know - like a buck or two?

Thanks

ME

Why does it have to be FAT16 (and not FAT32)?

Bill in Co wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:58:08 -0500, wrote:


I have done some more searching via Google, and I think I see that
indeed my 8GB USBs are too big for FAT16. I don't have any small 1GB
USBs, so I guess I will just forget this.

Thanks

ME

I wonder...

I would buy a cheapie 1GB flash drive just to try to get creating a
XP USB to work. Anyone point me to a source of same?
You know - like a buck or two?

Thanks

ME

Why does it have to be FAT16 (and not FAT32)?

It's to suit that BartPE thing that installs a "boot sector".
Something like that.

Paul

wrote in
:

I have tried Bart PE (PE Builder) twice and have failed. I have
even tried it with to different USBs, one 8GB, one 16GB. In both
cases an error was indicated 'Volume is too big for FAT16/12'.
And the USB is blank.

Could it be because I am using XP SP2 instead of SP1? Or am I
doing something else wrong? I am entering pe2usb -f: k:

Thanks

ME

IMHO, Bart PE is too difficult to create. By far the easiest is to
create a freeware Hirens Boot CD from a .iso file:

Hirens download: http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/

Don't be fooled, the correct download is a .zip file at the bottom of
the page in a light green rectangle. Instructions for creating a
Hirens Boot USB thumb drive are he
http://www.hirensbootcd.org/usb-booting/

HTH,
John

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:16:44 -0800, John Wunderlich
wrote:

IMHO, Bart PE is too difficult to create. By far the easiest is to
create a freeware Hirens Boot CD from a .iso file:

Hirens download: http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/

Don't be fooled, the correct download is a .zip file at the bottom of
the page in a light green rectangle. Instructions for creating a
Hirens Boot USB thumb drive are he
http://www.hirensbootcd.org/usb-booting/

HTH,
John


You are 100% right!

I used the info at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=Ejtm7J7Wqyk

and

http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd-on-usb-disk

to make a bootable CD and USB (for XP SP3) with all of Hirens BootCD
folders/files on both - even though my USB thumb drive was 8GB!

Forget BART.

Thank you

ME

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:04:55 -0500, "
wrote in article ...

I have tried Bart PE (PE Builder) twice and have failed. I have even
tried it with to different USBs, one 8GB, one 16GB. In both cases an
error was indicated 'Volume is too big for FAT16/12'. And the USB is
blank.

Could it be because I am using XP SP2 instead of SP1? Or am I doing
something else wrong? I am entering pe2usb -f: k:

Thanks

ME

You probably should be using FAT32 instead - pretty much any modern OS
will read it, and you won't run into the volume too big issue.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:28:54 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:


You probably should be using FAT32 instead - pretty much any modern OS
will read it, and you won't run into the volume too big issue.


Maybe so, but I tried FAT32 and something called EXFAT. Neither
worked. For me anyway.

Hirens seems the way to go. For me anyway.

Thanks

ME

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:21:41 -0500, "
wrote in article ...

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:28:54 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:


You probably should be using FAT32 instead - pretty much any modern OS
will read it, and you won't run into the volume too big issue.


Maybe so, but I tried FAT32 and something called EXFAT. Neither
worked. For me anyway.

Hirens seems the way to go. For me anyway.

Thanks

+1 on Hiren's, it is my go-to USB boot media for system work. I never
tried making a BartPE USB drive though I have done PC CD ROMS and had
no issue, but they weren't as useful as Hiren's.

--
Zaphod

"The best Bang since the Big One" - Eccentrica Gallumbits

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:46:42 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:


+1 on Hiren's, it is my go-to USB boot media for system work. I never
tried making a BartPE USB drive though I have done PC CD ROMS and had
no issue, but they weren't as useful as Hiren's.


I certainly agree with you on both points.

Thanks

ME