full system backup, data included

well, according to your *personal* experience, what should I use to make a
full/complete/total backup of the disk (an "image"), say once a week,
possibly directly from windows and not rebooting in a "safe mode" or
"backup mode"? (1)

the above must be able to boot from a properly created media (dvd/usb) so
that it will start and restore even in the case the hard disk is brand new,
with nothing installed (2)

the "image" should be sent through ftp to the local NAS and, in the same
way, got back when the restore runs. (2, again)

TIA

(1) this is mandatory since the final user has no tech knowledge, the
backup should run nightly or in the weekend
(2) here there is no problem because there will be an IT guy to run the
restore

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Ammammata wrote:

well, according to your *personal* experience, what should I use
to make a full/complete/total backup of the disk (an "image"), say
once a week, possibly directly from windows and not rebooting in a
"safe mode" or "backup mode"? (1)

the above must be able to boot from a properly created media
(dvd/usb) so that it will start and restore even in the case the
hard disk is brand new, with nothing installed (2)

the "image" should be sent through ftp to the local NAS and, in
the same way, got back when the restore runs. (2, again)

TIA

(1) this is mandatory since the final user has no tech knowledge,
the backup should run nightly or in the weekend (2) here there is
no problem because there will be an IT guy to run the restore

I never have to send the image anywhere, but... The best Windows imaging
software I have ever used (been doing it since maybe before you were
born) is Macrium Reflect. It even repairs the Windows boot file if that
issue arises. The image can be restored to a new hard drive, or even a
different type of drive, like M2. So far, it is by far the best of all
such utilities I have used.

This post is being brought to you by Macrium Reflect Free.

On 11/04/2019 15:34, Ammammata wrote:
well, according to your *personal* experience, what should I use to make a
full/complete/total backup of the disk (an "image"), say once a week,
possibly directly from windows and not rebooting in a "safe mode" or
"backup mode"? (1)

the above must be able to boot from a properly created media (dvd/usb) so
that it will start and restore even in the case the hard disk is brand new,
with nothing installed (2)

the "image" should be sent through ftp to the local NAS and, in the same
way, got back when the restore runs. (2, again)

TIA

(1) this is mandatory since the final user has no tech knowledge, the
backup should run nightly or in the weekend
(2) here there is no problem because there will be an IT guy to run the
restore

Acronis True Image is one of the best ones around and you might get a
free version from Seagate or WD website if you are using their hard
disks. after installing the free version from Seagate or WD, you can
then get a cheap upgrade (around euros 20.00 - I got for about £14.00).
This upgrade is optional and you don't need it if you don't want to
create the bootable rescue disk. Most people don't because backups are
done from within the Windows UI and there is no need for "safe mode"
which you seem to mention. Not sure how this came about in your post
but I thought I better mention it anyway.

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John Doe wrote:
Ammammata wrote:

well, according to your *personal* experience, what should I use
to make a full/complete/total backup of the disk (an "image"), say
once a week, possibly directly from windows and not rebooting in a
"safe mode" or "backup mode"? (1)

the above must be able to boot from a properly created media
(dvd/usb) so that it will start and restore even in the case the
hard disk is brand new, with nothing installed (2)

the "image" should be sent through ftp to the local NAS and, in
the same way, got back when the restore runs. (2, again)

TIA

(1) this is mandatory since the final user has no tech knowledge,
the backup should run nightly or in the weekend (2) here there is
no problem because there will be an IT guy to run the restore

I never have to send the image anywhere, but... The best Windows imaging
software I have ever used (been doing it since maybe before you were
born) is Macrium Reflect. It even repairs the Windows boot file if that
issue arises. The image can be restored to a new hard drive, or even a
different type of drive, like M2. So far, it is by far the best of all
such utilities I have used.

This post is being brought to you by Macrium Reflect Free.

Here is a sample of the interface.

Macrium Reflect Free "gives away" differential storage for free.
The more efficient incremental backups costs money (need to buy a copy).

https://i.postimg.cc/wMHZs4KF/macrium-differential.gif

Let's say, I create one new file a day for every day of the week.

The Full backup image on the first day of the week, contains file 1.

Full 1
Differential 2
Differential 2,3
Differential 2,3,4
Differential 2,3,4,5
Differential 2,3,4,5,6 === say we want to restore to this date...
Differential 2,3,4,5,6,7

(Full starts over again next week, so this will be a large backup)

Full 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

To restore from backup, to the second last day in that
first set, I need.

Full with 1 + Differential 2,3,4,5,6 and that gives me files 1,2,3,4,5,6.

When the next "Full" period comes along, the previous
Full and Differentials could be removed. If the first
Full (with 1 in it) is removed, the Differentials that come
after it are worthless. Thus, they're removed as a set of
seven items (as in this example).

I'm never more than "one full plus a selected differential"
from restoration. I need one or two files total to do it. The files
have an extension of MRIMG. The differential files could be
quite a bit smaller than the first full. The differentials
grow from day to day... because they're not incrementals :-)
Differential isn't as good from a space perspective, but
it is a relatively good option from a reliability perspective.

Download:

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v7/ReflectDLHF.exe

That's a 5,276,864 byte stub downloader, which can give a
~40MB main installer plus a ~800MB "WAIK kit" from which
the emergency boot CD ~300MB might be made.

The stub downloader looks like this when it downloads.

https://community.norton.com/en/syst...52403/1078.png

The Options button gives control over what files are
downloaded. You don't generally want to leave the
"Run Installer Directly..." button ticked, and the
stub installer will attempt to keep turning that on.

I like to download first, then double check that the
materials needed for the install are present and
ready to go.

The 800MB WAIK Kit is not monolithic. The download procedure
downloads a series of maybe ten separate files, which are
processed and ZIPPED up for later. The WAIK kit materials
come from a Microsoft CDN, and are subject to Microsoft
continuing to host the files. Once Microsoft removes the
files from the CDN, you're screwed. This is why I can no
longer make a WAIK/WADK for WinXP Macrium, as Microsoft
has damaged the file set. For other OSes, Macrium supports
multiple WAIK/WADK kit versions, so there are fewer
shenanigans and hair loss in those cases.

Paul

Paul wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ammammata wrote:

well, according to your *personal* experience, what should I use
to make a full/complete/total backup of the disk (an "image"),
say once a week, possibly directly from windows and not
rebooting in a "safe mode" or "backup mode"? (1)

the above must be able to boot from a properly created media
(dvd/usb) so that it will start and restore even in the case the
hard disk is brand new, with nothing installed (2)

the "image" should be sent through ftp to the local NAS and, in
the same way, got back when the restore runs. (2, again)

(1) this is mandatory since the final user has no tech
knowledge, the backup should run nightly or in the weekend (2)
here there is no problem because there will be an IT guy to run
the restore

I never have to send the image anywhere, but... The best Windows
imaging software I have ever used (been doing it since maybe
before you were born) is Macrium Reflect. It even repairs the
Windows boot file if that issue arises. The image can be restored
to a new hard drive, or even a different type of drive, like M2.
So far, it is by far the best of all such utilities I have used.

This post is being brought to you by Macrium Reflect Free.

Here is a sample of the interface.

Macrium Reflect Free "gives away" differential storage for free.
The more efficient incremental backups costs money (need to buy a
copy).

https://i.postimg.cc/wMHZs4KF/macrium-differential.gif

I'm sure incremental backups work for the dedicated.

Way back when, I had no luck using that sort of incremental backups.
Nowadays I have so much hard drive space and it is so fast (M2 to PCI
M2), I do not need anything other than full backups. I still consider
them incremental even though they are full backups, because they record
my development of Windows. Come to think of it... Seems to me such
incremental backups would be difficult considering the current Windows
update. But of course you have a scheme for that. In any case, here full
backups are no problem, I just did a quick full backup in 2 minutes...

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Let's say, I create one new file a day for every day of the week.

The Full backup image on the first day of the week, contains file
1.

Full 1 Differential 2 Differential 2,3 Differential
2,3,4 Differential 2,3,4,5 Differential 2,3,4,5,6 === say we
want to restore to this date... Differential 2,3,4,5,6,7

(Full starts over again next week, so this will be a large backup)

Full 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

To restore from backup, to the second last day in that first set,
I need.

Full with 1 + Differential 2,3,4,5,6 and that gives me files
1,2,3,4,5,6.

When the next "Full" period comes along, the previous Full and
Differentials could be removed. If the first Full (with 1 in it)
is removed, the Differentials that come after it are worthless.
Thus, they're removed as a set of seven items (as in this
example).

I'm never more than "one full plus a selected differential" from
restoration. I need one or two files total to do it. The files
have an extension of MRIMG. The differential files could be quite
a bit smaller than the first full. The differentials grow from day
to day... because they're not incrementals :-) Differential isn't
as good from a space perspective, but it is a relatively good
option from a reliability perspective.

Download:

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v7/ReflectDLHF.exe

That's a 5,276,864 byte stub downloader, which can give a ~40MB
main installer plus a ~800MB "WAIK kit" from which the emergency
boot CD ~300MB might be made.

The stub downloader looks like this when it downloads.

https://community.norton.com/en/syst...52403/1078.png

The Options button gives control over what files are downloaded.
You don't generally want to leave the "Run Installer Directly..."
button ticked, and the stub installer will attempt to keep turning
that on.

I like to download first, then double check that the materials
needed for the install are present and ready to go.

The 800MB WAIK Kit is not monolithic. The download procedure
downloads a series of maybe ten separate files, which are
processed and ZIPPED up for later. The WAIK kit materials come
from a Microsoft CDN, and are subject to Microsoft continuing to
host the files. Once Microsoft removes the files from the CDN,
you're screwed. This is why I can no longer make a WAIK/WADK for
WinXP Macrium, as Microsoft has damaged the file set. For other
OSes, Macrium supports multiple WAIK/WADK kit versions, so there
are fewer shenanigans and hair loss in those cases.

Paul

Il giorno Thu 11 Apr 2019 09:21:33p, *Paul* ha inviato su
alt.comp.os.windows-10 il messaggio .
Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

I never have to send the image anywhere, but... The best Windows
imaging software I have ever used (been doing it since maybe before
you were born) is Macrium Reflect.

Here is a sample of the interface.


thank you both for your support, I'll give it a try

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Il giorno Thu 11 Apr 2019 05:53:49p, *=?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?=*
ha inviato su alt.comp.os.windows-10 il messaggio
. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

Acronis True Image is one of the best ones around and you might get a
free version from Seagate or WD website if you are using their hard
disks.

thank you, I'll run a test

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Not that it matters, but... even though the conversation was about
incremental backups, I was talking about differential backups, I think.