Anything good to say about Windows 8?

There is a chart of new W8 features at

http://www.geeks4share.com/2012/11/t...8-infographic/

Dave "Crash" Dummy posted
this via :

I bought Windows 8 Pro back when

Windows 8 is the best thing yet
until Windows 9 comes along with
even more neat stuff to do!

Make a backup image of your Windows 7
to a backup partition. Then install
your Windows 8. Make a backup image
of your Windows 8 installation.

You should name the folders something
different so you can tell them apart.

If you get mad at one, just image back
to the other one... do all the updates
from when you backup imaged it... and
go for a while... etc.

It only takes about 15 minutes to do a
backup image, including the cleanup and
maintenance preliminaries, so you can
enjoy the best of both worlds.

Or hate it. YMMV.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and if you believe
anything, you should believe that and start
doing something about it besides whine!

Whine and cheese pehaps?

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Gene E. Bloch has written on 3/21/2013 2:57 PM:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.


Like this?

1. Close any desktop apps you have open–this will prompt you to save
your work.

2. Open the Settings charm.

3. Tap or click Power, and then tap or click Shut down.

In the last episode of , Juan Wei
said:

DevilsPGD has written on 3/21/2013 1:37 AM:
In the last episode of , "Dave \"Crash\"
Dummy" said:

I bought Windows 8 Pro back when I could get it for $40, then burned it
to disk to wait for the dust to settle before installing it. So far, all the
feedback I've read about Windows 8 has been negative. I am running a
desktop PC with no touchscreen nor any desire for one. I know I can get
rid of the "metro" interface with Classic Shell, but so what? Does
anybody have anything nice to say? Is there any reason I would want to
"upgrade" my Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows 8 Pro?

Sure. It boots faster, Hyper-V on the client side is awesome, the
Explorer improvements are well worth it. Native USB3, improved SSD
performance, significantly better memory utilization, faster startups
and shutdown times, to name a few.

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

This is partially true, even when you tell W8 to shut down, it only
shuts down user-space and hibernates the kernel.

You still get a full shutdown from the user experience though, which is
what matters to the vast majority of users.

The Windows 8 interface (formerly known as metro) is barely even a
factor since you just don't really see it except when you launch apps,
and between pinning what you actually use to the taskbar, and being able
to tap the Windows Key on your keyboard, type what you want and hit
enter, it's basically just a over-sized start menu.

And, if you don't know what to do, you can just start typing and Win8
will initiate a search! :-)

Yup. Same as W7 and Vista in this regard, which is why I don't find W8
to be all that different.

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.

In the last episode of , "Gene
E. Bloch" said:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.

Technically the kernel is hibernated, rather than shut down, unless
you've reconfigured anything.

The results are the same though, there's really very little need to do a
reboot at this level unless a hardware change has taken place, and if
so, the hibernated state will be discarded on bootup.

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.

In the last episode of ,
"(PeteCresswell)" said:

Per DevilsPGD:
Keep in mind, you can still click in the corner to get the same job
done. This is basically an infinitely large button (as was the W7 Orb,
and every start button going back to 95) because you just have to hit
the mouse into the corner, there's no penalty for over-shooting, so you
don't need to aim for a specific spot, just a general area.

That is probably what I have been missing.

Am I correct in understanding that the "Start" button's functionality is
still there - just accessible via clicking in a different place?

The corner of the desktop window, right?

More or less, yes. What you get is the Windows 8 launcher, which is
basically a full-screen start menu, but it offers most of the same
functionality as the W7 and Vista start menu, including allowing you to
immediately start typing what you want rather than clicking.

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.

What are ya? Windows 8 is a pig!!

Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote on Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:04:23 -0400:

So far, all the
feedback I've read about Windows 8 has been negative.

Read more. Start he http://winsupersite.com/

There are a lot of curmudgeons who don't like anything new. There are
also a lot of valid criticisms of Windows 8. But on balance I like it
and consider it a worthwhile upgrade; I have been using it on my
primary desktop and on a Slate since it went RTM.

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
day on the job for potty mouth,

Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to
help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily
all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out
of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram.
Subscriber asks will that ****in' work? I guaranDAMtee it. Ok get the next
sucker on the phone.

Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber)

There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE,
which one are you?

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!)

All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR,
ChuckZar!!

I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three*
fulltime jobs to afford either one of them

I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world
downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a
month

VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat
and out your arse sir?

The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer.

UBB = User based bullFROGGING

Colonel Debeers refuses to wrestle a black man
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-o_dPhbGI)

Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the
A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who.

Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to
turn
schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue.

You don't have to be "stinkbottomed" to post on this newsgroup

Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy!

Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:50:37 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...


2. Most problems, by far, that people report here--whether or not they
are IE7-related--have nothing to do with defects in the software. They
result from people's ignorance, from bad or inadequate hardware, from
old drivers, from viruses, from spyware, and so on. And except for
very rare situations, they always get a fix for their problems, and in
most cases, that fix is a very simple one to implement.


Just a quick question g

IE7 related for Windows 8 (in this newsgroup) ?



OOPS! Sorry. I pasted a very old message here without first reading it
carefully enough.


--
Ken Blake

DevilsPGD wrote:
In the last episode of , Juan Wei
said:

DevilsPGD has written on 3/21/2013 1:37 AM:
In the last episode of , "Dave
\"Crash\" Dummy" said:

I bought Windows 8 Pro back when I could get it for $40, then
burned it to disk to wait for the dust to settle before
installing it. So far, all the feedback I've read about Windows
8 has been negative. I am running a desktop PC with no
touchscreen nor any desire for one. I know I can get rid of the
"metro" interface with Classic Shell, but so what? Does
anybody have anything nice to say? Is there any reason I would
want to "upgrade" my Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows 8 Pro?
Sure. It boots faster, Hyper-V on the client side is awesome, the
Explorer improvements are well worth it. Native USB3, improved
SSD performance, significantly better memory utilization, faster
startups and shutdown times, to name a few.
I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

This is partially true, even when you tell W8 to shut down, it only
shuts down user-space and hibernates the kernel.

You still get a full shutdown from the user experience though, which
is what matters to the vast majority of users.

The only way to really see if Windows 8 boots faster than Windows is to
start both from a power off, unplugged condition. Boot and reboot are
not the same thing.
--
Crash

English is not my native tongue; I'm an American.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:29:53 -0700, "DevilsPGD"
wrote in article
...

In the last episode of ,
"(PeteCresswell)" said:

Per DevilsPGD:
Keep in mind, you can still click in the corner to get the same job
done. This is basically an infinitely large button (as was the W7 Orb,
and every start button going back to 95) because you just have to hit
the mouse into the corner, there's no penalty for over-shooting, so you
don't need to aim for a specific spot, just a general area.

That is probably what I have been missing.

Am I correct in understanding that the "Start" button's functionality is
still there - just accessible via clicking in a different place?

The corner of the desktop window, right?

More or less, yes. What you get is the Windows 8 launcher, which is
basically a full-screen start menu, but it offers most of the same
functionality as the W7 and Vista start menu, including allowing you to
immediately start typing what you want rather than clicking.

More than full screen - the large size of the tiles for each program or
utility means you rapidly end up with a side-scrolling wonderland that
stretches endlessly into the distance...

If you thought the disorganized mess that many people's start menus
became if they just keep adding programs to the start menu without
grouping them into sub-menus was bad, you haven't seen anything yet.
And in true MS fashion, it is even harder to do a good job of arranging
those tiles into some sort of cohesive structure.

--
Zaphod

Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

On 20/03/2013 13:04, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
I bought Windows 8 Pro back when I could get it for $40, then burned it
to disk to wait for the dust to settle before installing it. So far, all
the
feedback I've read about Windows 8 has been negative. I am running a
desktop PC with no touchscreen nor any desire for one. I know I can get
rid of the "metro" interface with Classic Shell, but so what? Does
anybody have anything nice to say? Is there any reason I would want to
"upgrade" my Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows 8 Pro?


It's a tiny bit faster at some things compared to Win7 and will be
supported for a little bit longer, too.
--
Rob

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:29:53 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

In the last episode of , "Gene
E. Bloch" said:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.

Technically the kernel is hibernated, rather than shut down, unless
you've reconfigured anything.

The results are the same though, there's really very little need to do a
reboot at this level unless a hardware change has taken place, and if
so, the hibernated state will be discarded on bootup.

When I restart I see the BIOS splash screen. To me this seems to
contradict what you said.

Perhaps I misunderstand something (everything?) about Windows 8's method
of hibernation.

Guidance is welcome...

Or maybe I can find info on Google :-)

A quick look at a discussion about how to enable hibernation reveals a
hint of what you said about the kernel. Does that mean that if
hibernation is disabled, or if Shutdown is explicitly chosen, W8 still
reloads (only) the kernel from hibernation, rather than going through
the usual boot process? And would it also mean that if hibernation is
enabled and explicitly triggered in lieu of shutdown, then on restart W8
will load an image of your entire RAM state, rather than the kernel
alone?

Am I learning yet?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 22.3.2013 19:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:29:53 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

In the last episode of , "Gene
E. Bloch" said:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.

Technically the kernel is hibernated, rather than shut down, unless
you've reconfigured anything.

The results are the same though, there's really very little need to do a
reboot at this level unless a hardware change has taken place, and if
so, the hibernated state will be discarded on bootup.

When I restart I see the BIOS splash screen. To me this seems to
contradict what you said.

Perhaps I misunderstand something (everything?) about Windows 8's method
of hibernation.

Guidance is welcome...

Or maybe I can find info on Google :-)

A quick look at a discussion about how to enable hibernation reveals a
hint of what you said about the kernel. Does that mean that if
hibernation is disabled, or if Shutdown is explicitly chosen, W8 still
reloads (only) the kernel from hibernation, rather than going through
the usual boot process? And would it also mean that if hibernation is
enabled and explicitly triggered in lieu of shutdown, then on restart W8
will load an image of your entire RAM state, rather than the kernel
alone?

Am I learning yet?

The BIOS screen you're going to see, reagrdless of what way the system
went down....


--
-----------------------------------------------------
Thomas Wendell
Helsinki, Finland
Translation to/from FI/SWE not always accurate
-----------------------------------------------------

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:08:04 +0200, tumppiw wrote:

On 22.3.2013 19:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:29:53 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

In the last episode of , "Gene
E. Bloch" said:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14:17 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

I'm pretty sure that faster booting, startups and shutdowns are the
result of Win8 not actually shutting down the computer but instead
putting it into hybernation or sleep.

Mine shuts down.

Technically the kernel is hibernated, rather than shut down, unless
you've reconfigured anything.

The results are the same though, there's really very little need to do a
reboot at this level unless a hardware change has taken place, and if
so, the hibernated state will be discarded on bootup.

When I restart I see the BIOS splash screen. To me this seems to
contradict what you said.

Perhaps I misunderstand something (everything?) about Windows 8's method
of hibernation.

Guidance is welcome...

Or maybe I can find info on Google :-)

A quick look at a discussion about how to enable hibernation reveals a
hint of what you said about the kernel. Does that mean that if
hibernation is disabled, or if Shutdown is explicitly chosen, W8 still
reloads (only) the kernel from hibernation, rather than going through
the usual boot process? And would it also mean that if hibernation is
enabled and explicitly triggered in lieu of shutdown, then on restart W8
will load an image of your entire RAM state, rather than the kernel
alone?

Am I learning yet?

The BIOS screen you're going to see, reagrdless of what way the system
went down....

That was not true on earlier versions of Windows, and I have also
awakened Windows 8 from Sleep without seeing a BIOS screen. I haven't
tried hibernate in W8, partly because on older laptops, I have felt that
hibernate can take almost as long as a restart, if you sum the times to
go into and come out of hibernation. I didn't do that check with a
stopwatch, however :-)

But it's getting to be time for me to try these things, rather than
extrapolating from older experience...

I'll try hibernation on this (W7) computer as soon as I send this. W8
will have to wait until tomorrow.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)