8.1

philo* écrivait :

On 06/29/2013 10:45 AM, housetrained wrote:
well, I've put 8.1 on my other desktop and I think those that expected
to get the old-style start button globe back will be disappointed. It's
a windows flag and when clicked it opens the metro screen which can be
had by pressing the windows key. Apart from that there are a few
differences I've noticed so far but nothing major. But early days, just
keep plodding along and see what comes up.
housetrained



Best way to fix Win8 is with Classic Shell



Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)

On 07/02/2013 02:06 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:03:38 -0500, philo wrote:

On 06/29/2013 10:45 AM, housetrained wrote:
well, I've put 8.1 on my other desktop and I think those that expected
to get the old-style start button globe back will be disappointed. It's
a windows flag and when clicked it opens the metro screen which can be
had by pressing the windows key. Apart from that there are a few
differences I've noticed so far but nothing major. But early days, just
keep plodding along and see what comes up.
housetrained



Best way to fix Win8 is with Classic Shell

ClassicShell doesn't go nearly far enough. It's still obviously Win 8 under
there.



Al I know is that a number of my friends who hated Win8 now like it

On 03/07/2013 04:11, Dominique wrote:
Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)
Personally I have left Win 8 as it is on my laptop and there is
absolutely no need to change it. You just get used to the new style of
working.

Traditionally, people are always reluctant to learn new ways of doing
things; Youngsters are pretty at ease when it comes to new technology
because it is what they only know about. People here have come through
the old DOS days and built their experience over to Windows 95, 98,
98SE, 2000, ME, WindowsNT, Windows XP, Vista, Win7, and now win 8 is a
drag for them.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.



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On 03/07/2013 04:11, Dominique wrote:
Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)
Personally I have left Win 8 as it is on my laptop and there is
absolutely no need to change it. You just get used to the new style of
working.

Traditionally, people are always reluctant to learn new ways of doing
things; Youngsters are pretty at ease when it comes to new technology
because it is what they only know about. People here have come through
the old DOS days and built their experience over to Windows 95, 98,
98SE, 2000, ME, WindowsNT, Windows XP, Vista, Win7, and now win 8 is a
drag for them.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.



--
Good Guy
Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk
Website: http://html-css.co.uk
Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us

On 03/07/2013 04:11, Dominique wrote:
Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)
Personally I have left Win 8 as it is on my laptop and there is
absolutely no need to change it. You just get used to the new style of
working.

Traditionally, people are always reluctant to learn new ways of doing
things; Youngsters are pretty at ease when it comes to new technology
because it is what they only know about. People here have come through
the old DOS days and built their experience over to Windows 95, 98,
98SE, 2000, ME, WindowsNT, Windows XP, Vista, Win7, and now win 8 is a
drag for them.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.



--
Good Guy
Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk
Website: http://html-css.co.uk
Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us

On 7/3/2013 7:10 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.

So was Vista and Me. I'm waiting for when they change NTFS into
something better. Meanwhile, Windows 7 is the new XP.

--
Alias

The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity.

Alias wrote:
On 7/3/2013 7:10 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.

So was Vista and Me. I'm waiting for when they change NTFS into
something better. Meanwhile, Windows 7 is the new XP.


That would be ReFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2012#ReFS

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-takes...em-3040094832/

"Summary: The Resilient File System or ReFS, the successor to NTFS, will make
its first appearance in Windows Server 8, after which Microsoft will
introduce it for client storage and ultimately boot volumes"

Evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. I suppose that'll make
a "bullet feature" for 8.2 or something.

And not the same animal as the failed WinFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfs

"In 2013 Bill Gates cited WinFS as his greatest disappointment at Microsoft
and that the idea of WinFS was ahead of its time, which will re-emerge."

So they're still dabbling. ExFAT wasn't their last file system :-)

Paul

On 7/3/2013 8:47 PM, Paul wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 7/3/2013 7:10 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.

So was Vista and Me. I'm waiting for when they change NTFS into
something better. Meanwhile, Windows 7 is the new XP.


That would be ReFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2012#ReFS

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-takes...em-3040094832/


"Summary: The Resilient File System or ReFS, the successor to NTFS,
will make
its first appearance in Windows Server 8, after which
Microsoft will
introduce it for client storage and ultimately boot volumes"

Evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. I suppose that'll make
a "bullet feature" for 8.2 or something.

And not the same animal as the failed WinFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfs

"In 2013 Bill Gates cited WinFS as his greatest disappointment at
Microsoft
and that the idea of WinFS was ahead of its time, which will
re-emerge."

So they're still dabbling. ExFAT wasn't their last file system :-)

Paul

Maybe by Windows 9, maybe 10.

--
Alias

The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity.

On 2013-07-03, Good Guy wrote:
On 03/07/2013 04:11, Dominique wrote:
Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)
Personally I have left Win 8 as it is on my laptop and there is
absolutely no need to change it. You just get used to the new style of
working.

Traditionally, people are always reluctant to learn new ways of doing
things; Youngsters are pretty at ease when it comes to new technology
because it is what they only know about. People here have come through
the old DOS days and built their experience over to Windows 95, 98,
98SE, 2000, ME, WindowsNT, Windows XP, Vista, Win7, and now win 8 is a
drag for them.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.



Can't do things the win8 way as I'm not buying an expensive new
touchscreen monitor just for doing things the win8 way. Your blab
about "traditional" way don't include the added expense of the hardware
to do things the "new" way.

Many people still drive old cars even if the newer cars get better
mileage; people haven't gone onto a buying spree to get the hybrid
autos or all electric cars.

I did't do win98, win98se, 2000, ME, or Vista. The only reason to
have my laptop in win8 was the price & the companies don't include
a real install dvd of win7.

And microsoft isn't the one to dictate what one uses on desktop
computers; whouldn't be supprised if ms owned stock in hardware
companies......

generic name wrote:
On 2013-07-03, Good Guy wrote:
On 03/07/2013 04:11, Dominique wrote:
Why fix it when it ain't broke???... ;-)
Personally I have left Win 8 as it is on my laptop and there is
absolutely no need to change it. You just get used to the new style of
working.

Traditionally, people are always reluctant to learn new ways of doing
things; Youngsters are pretty at ease when it comes to new technology
because it is what they only know about. People here have come through
the old DOS days and built their experience over to Windows 95, 98,
98SE, 2000, ME, WindowsNT, Windows XP, Vista, Win7, and now win 8 is a
drag for them.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.



Can't do things the win8 way as I'm not buying an expensive new
touchscreen monitor just for doing things the win8 way. Your blab
about "traditional" way don't include the added expense of the hardware
to do things the "new" way.

Many people still drive old cars even if the newer cars get better
mileage; people haven't gone onto a buying spree to get the hybrid
autos or all electric cars.

I did't do win98, win98se, 2000, ME, or Vista. The only reason to
have my laptop in win8 was the price & the companies don't include
a real install dvd of win7.

And microsoft isn't the one to dictate what one uses on desktop
computers; whouldn't be supprised if ms owned stock in hardware
companies......



There are three versions of Windows 8
Retail - Upgrade only
OEM - preinstalled by pc manufacturers (Dell, HP, Asus, etc.)
Personal Use for System Builders - system builder or build your own pc
- only the latter confers downgrade rights to Win7. It's incumbent
upon the user to provide the licensed Win7 DVD

Thus if one wanted Win7...one would have to buy a Win7 pc, build their
own and provide Win7 at their own expense, or purchase a pc by a system
builder as Win7 or provide their own Win7 if purchasing a Win8 pc.

With MSFT deprecating XP and Vista thereafter it's relatively clear that
MSFT is comfortable with folks using Win7 or Win8 at this point in time.
Later, and knowing full well that once XP's lifecycle ends next spring
and further reduced Win7 availability, that those pcs will have to
replaced and unlikely to create a mass exit from Windows to the limited
other alternative o/s....it seems at least to me, who's in the new and
old car driver seat and pretty close to dictating what's going to be
used and more importantly...who the target market is going to be.

If your old enough to be from the Win95/Win98 era...it's pretty safe to
assume you are not (nor will ever be) in the current and future target
market.

Sometimes reality bites.

On the other hand I've yet to see anyone with minimal to maximum Windows
knowledge that couldn't adapt to Win8.
- Complain about it ? Yes. Unable to adapt? No.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Paul expressed precisely :
Alias wrote:
On 7/3/2013 7:10 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all
future developments will be based on Windows8.

So was Vista and Me. I'm waiting for when they change NTFS into something
better. Meanwhile, Windows 7 is the new XP.


That would be ReFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2012#ReFS

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-takes...em-3040094832/

"Summary: The Resilient File System or ReFS, the successor to NTFS, will
make
its first appearance in Windows Server 8, after which Microsoft
will
introduce it for client storage and ultimately boot volumes"

Evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. I suppose that'll make
a "bullet feature" for 8.2 or something.

And not the same animal as the failed WinFS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfs

"In 2013 Bill Gates cited WinFS as his greatest disappointment at
Microsoft
and that the idea of WinFS was ahead of its time, which will re-emerge."

So they're still dabbling. ExFAT wasn't their last file system :-)

Paul

Does it require defragmenting though?

Linux has enjoyed disk file systems which dont require defragmenting to
maintain performance and is noticably more secure that NTFS for a
number of years.

Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all future
developments will be based on Windows8.

There are faster more secure alternatives to Windows 8, namely Linux
and Apples OSX desktop.

Whilst you can say all future dev will be based on Windows 8, you
ignore the fact that most Govt's around the world have announced they
are more over to opensource aka Linux in part or whole right now.

The future is opensource, even my company are porting all their windows
software to linux now and have given notice to all customers the
windows software will cease to be supported in the next 5 years.

On 04/07/2013 12:31 PM, Richard Rose wrote:
Windows 8 is here and people have to learn to accept it because all future
developments will be based on Windows8.

There are faster more secure alternatives to Windows 8, namely Linux
and Apples OSX desktop.

Whilst you can say all future dev will be based on Windows 8, you
ignore the fact that most Govt's around the world have announced they
are more over to opensource aka Linux in part or whole right now.

The future is opensource, even my company are porting all their windows
software to linux now and have given notice to all customers the
windows software will cease to be supported in the next 5 years.

That needs to happen a lot more before Linux is a real alternative
though. At the moment there is so much software that hasn't been ported
that Linux is not really a viable proposition - it might do for the
office situation where nothing is needed but Libreoffice, Thunderbird
and Firefox, and for running servers, but that's about it. That's the
main problem with Linux - the devs are running too many versions in too
many different directions, and concentrating on pretty interfaces - when
what is needed is to pick just Debian Stable (say) or Linux Mint and
then turn all that effort into making all the Windows programs run on it
- or better still developing equivalents.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Celebrity - a person who works hard to become well known, and then wears
dark glasses to avoid being recognised.

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:31:28 +0100, Richard Rose wrote:

The future is opensource, even my company are porting all their
windows software to linux now and have given notice to all
customers the windows software will cease to be supported in the
next 5 years.

So who are you going to rely on for support? Not a Usenet newsgroup
surely!

mechanic formulated on Thursday :
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:31:28 +0100, Richard Rose wrote:

The future is opensource, even my company are porting all their
windows software to linux now and have given notice to all
customers the windows software will cease to be supported in the
next 5 years.

So who are you going to rely on for support? Not a Usenet newsgroup
surely!

Funnily enough that is exactly what I have been relying on for the last
20+ years of writing code for the windows platform. I could give you
examples of some of the things I have done but I dont want it to come
across the wrong way.