Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 11:23 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Alias wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

Yep, only 200 million sold since introduction as of 2014 Q1.


But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.

And never underestimate the impact that Asia's consumers, as
infrastructure improves, will have on the long term direction.


There is one thing that people do not consider when discussing the
future of laptops. That is the human body itself.

In my case may touch screens do not work. Apparently there is something
in my body chemistry, that causes the touch screen not to detect my
fingers. Because of this it is repeat, repeat, repeat to get the
response I want.

Second people are forgetting carpal tunnel syndrome. While the wrists
are not as involved as they are with a mouse, holding your arms in the
unnatural position required to use a touch screens becomes uncomfortable
after using the screen for a period. if touch screens become more
common, this will be come a common problem.

Lastly I like my screen clean so I can see what is on it without
cleaning it every 10 minutes.

On 07/28/2014 08:05 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:49:50 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

No nothing of the kind. Linux users are so dumb that don't even bother
to check for hackers at all. That is why it is so easy to hack into
Linux with banks, big business, etc. when they are using Linux. They are
so asleep and foolishly believe it can't happen to them.

True, and even if they know, they are not allowed to mention being
hacked because of trading restrictions. Any mention of a security
problem would bring the share price down.

Steve




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Caver1

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On 7/27/2014 12:19 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
BillW50 wrote in :

Subject: Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
From: BillW50
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt
about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Why wouuld anyone car about this?

Any who cares about Windows tablets of course. And a Windows desktop and a
Windows tablet are the same. Same OS, applications, keyboards, mice, etc.

If you're speaking of the current crop of Windows tablets, there is a
difference. Some run Windows RT which is not the same as a "regular"
version of Windows.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:41:53 +0200, Alias
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Watch it. If you can see yourself in it, please post. My
killfile has been inactive for too long.

PS The reason win 8 is a flop is so they can sell you retail
9, after you make the mistake of buying something win 8 on it. Always
been that way with M$.

Flop - Good - Flop - Good ---- ad infinitum....
[]'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 7/28/2014 8:15 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 11:23 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Alias wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt
about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

Yep, only 200 million sold since introduction as of 2014 Q1.


But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.

And never underestimate the impact that Asia's consumers, as
infrastructure improves, will have on the long term direction.


There is one thing that people do not consider when discussing the
future of laptops. That is the human body itself.

What about using a stylus?


Lastly I like my screen clean so I can see what is on it without
cleaning it every 10 minutes.

Use a stylus.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:15:26 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

In my case may touch screens do not work. Apparently there is something
in my body chemistry, that causes the touch screen not to detect my
fingers. Because of this it is repeat, repeat, repeat to get the
response I want.

Second people are forgetting carpal tunnel syndrome. While the wrists
are not as involved as they are with a mouse, holding your arms in the
unnatural position required to use a touch screens becomes uncomfortable
after using the screen for a period. if touch screens become more
common, this will be come a common problem.

Lastly I like my screen clean so I can see what is on it without
cleaning it every 10 minutes.

I couldn't agree more. Touch screens are definitely not for everybody,
and I can't think of anything I could do with one that couldn't be
done just as well with a keyboard and mouse. Smearing other people's
bogies across a sheet of glass has no appeal for me whatsoever.

Rod.

.. . .winston wrote:
Alias wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

Yep, only 200 million sold since introduction as of 2014 Q1.


But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.

And never underestimate the impact that Asia's consumers, as
infrastructure improves, will have on the long term direction.



It will be used like a laptop by connecting a keyboard and a mouse along
with a monitor that's big enough to actually get some work done. For
watching cats and dogs, tablets are great all by themselves but for real
work, not so much. And, very importantly, if you want to upgrade, you
will have to buy a new one, not a new hard drive, video card, power
supply, etc. Ya know, like Detroit did in the 70s with cars: made to
last until your payments are up. You saw what Japan did to Detroit for
that little trip.

--
Alias

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:44:02 -0400, "Chris S"
wrote:


In the Admiral's cabin, he had a triple locked box with a slip of paper that
said.. "Port is Left, Starboard is Right".


Like the accountant with assets and liabilities.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

But there's bad news: Google has crippled write access to external cards
in KitKat, so that if you want your data flies on one, you need to plug
the tablet (or the card) into a computer. Needless to say I'm pretty
****ed about that.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:44:02 -0400, Chris S wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:30:06 -0400, knuttle wrote:

When you power up you will see the Desktop with the MS Icon (The
representation of the Window) in the right side of the taskbar. When
you right click the MS Icon you will be offered the following options.
Clicking "Shut down or signout" gives you the same options that the
similar line on the old Start Button gave your

SNIP

That should be LEFT side of the Taskbar. My wife gets upset with me for
the same thing when we are in our sailboat.

Take up folkdancing and you will soon learn left from right. But if you
don't, at least you will find yourself bumping into the nicest people.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In the Admiral's cabin, he had a triple locked box with a slip of paper that
said.. "Port is Left, Starboard is Right".

Chris

That's not really true. I mean about which way is port, not about the
paper.

To see what I mean, face aft.

I had much less trouble with port and starboard than with left and
right, and I finally figured it out: port is a *place*, and starboard is
a *different* place.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/28/2014 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

On 7/28/2014 12:47 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Tablets are being made with more storage every year. My 1st generation
Kindle Fire (2011) has 8 GBs of storage. The Kindle Fire HD (2012) is
available with 8GB and 16GB. The Kindle Fire HDX (2013) is available
with 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB.

Also, they are starting to make more tablets that will accept microSD
cards.

If your tablet has a micro USB port you could use something like this
for more storage space.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Androi.../dp/B00HR7J3CA

Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-07-28 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

My Surface Pro 2 128GB replaces the desktop while travelling. It can do
everything the desktop can do. It can connect automatically with pretty
well any current wi-fi device, and many of the older ones too (sometimes
a driver is needed). With the dock, it becomes desktop at home, with
both wi-fi and wired connections to external devices. I've added a 64GB
micro-SD card, which serves as the data-backup drive. I've noticed that
it shows my brother's smart TV, to which it connected automatically
while we were there. It's also a camera and a video recorder. Only
downside: it's a tad heavy. I've added Start8 and Modernmix so that the
GUI is desktop standard.

Now the Surface Pro 3 is out, a couple inches larger screen, about 30%
thinner and lighter, with an i7 CPU (instead of i5). Beautiful design,
too. I'm trying to persuade myself that I Really Really Need That. ;-)

Whatever, the Surface Pro 3 shows that you can have the power and
functionality of a desktop in a tablet. I expect even better versions of
this concept in future.

Have a good day.


IOW, they are turning tablets into desktops to succeed and the clueless
public is lapping it up and paying more. Can you replace the video card
with a new one? How about the power supply or hard drive? Or do you just
have to pony up some more bread for a new one?

--
Alias