Is the August update important?

I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a remote
technician. He uninstalled August update and other security updates. Now
Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi traffic. The question
I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9 upgrade. I would
appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

Microsoft will fix the problems with the update, in time for Windows 9.

Paul

Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

Future o/s releases are usually preceded (at o/s release date or just
prior to) by required KB's patches/fixes/etc. It's too soon to predict
which KB's (since some might not even be released at this time) would be
necessary to install the next Windows o/s (e.g. 9) on top of Windows 8.1

Also of note - Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' ware. Windows 8.1 was
full version ware and most likely later o/s will follow that path.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

I've heard next windows will come in 2015. I'm saving to buy a notebook then
with new windows. I'm not sure but maybe I'll keep W8.1 as it is and will
stop doing hotfixes.

". . .winston" escreveu na mensagem ...

Future o/s releases are usually preceded (at o/s release date or just
prior to) by required KB's patches/fixes/etc. It's too soon to predict
which KB's (since some might not even be released at this time) would be
necessary to install the next Windows o/s (e.g. 9) on top of Windows 8.1

Also of note - Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' ware. Windows 8.1 was
full version ware and most likely later o/s will follow that path.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1 computer.

Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1 computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Norm

On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.

Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1 computer.

Good luck with that.

If it was bought and not built by the owner or a system builder (both of
which would have bought licenses and media) then the OEM (seller) would
be the provider and the outfit that chose to not provide media (in lieu
of their recovery media or recovery partition) since they didn't want to
pay for it - also one of the contributing factors why a reset option is
now available.

Reset raises an important question - Will MSFT provide a better built-in
method to reset to the current installed o/s instead of the factory
shipped (or original user installed o/s) when the pc has a later version
of Windows than the original installed o/s.
- that ability imo would be much more important than requiring
everyone to have current media.

I also doubt, that if one does not purchase the next version of Windows
(on full version media), the download or any special offer via the
online Store will be any different than what was made available for 8.1
due to constraints (e.g. one per pc with single product key based on the
operating system bitness accessing the download).

It would be prudent, if not already available or upgradable, to ensure
imaging software (and current Windows o/s compatible) is used to make
regular images for easy point-in-time recovery/restoration.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.



Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?

Ron wrote:

Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?

My guess would be, if you did an Upgrade Install (qualifying OS present
that is supported for Upgrade emthod), a "Windows.old" folder is created
from the old OS. Settings (stored in the Registry) are copied across.
When the job is done, the OS portion of C: would be twice as large.
But, if you use Disk Cleanup 5 minutes after the install is done
and you've done a couple reboots to be sure it is OK, you can
"push the button" in Disk Cleanup, and delete "Windows.old". Don't
try to delete "Windows.old" manually, as you won't have permission.
Once that process is finished, the OS will deflate to a reasonable
size.

And that's not how you do it of course. You do a backup first :-)

If you really didn't care about the Windows 8/8.1 installation at all,
you'd just "clean" the disk with Diskpart in recovery console,
and then there would not be any bloat.

Paul

On 9/30/2014 1:52 AM, Ron wrote:
On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I
read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9
disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.



Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?

Another question, what did Vista users that were eligible for a free
Windows 7 upgrade have to do to get the upgrade? I'm pretty sure it
wasn't an online download and install. Take their computer to Best Buy
(or wherever) and have it upgraded?

Ron wrote:
On 9/30/2014 1:52 AM, Ron wrote:
On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I
read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help
of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9
disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a
clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I
don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.



Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?

Another question, what did Vista users that were eligible for a free
Windows 7 upgrade have to do to get the upgrade? I'm pretty sure it
wasn't an online download and install. Take their computer to Best Buy
(or wherever) and have it upgraded?


This HP press release says they provided media.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/pre...html?id=169593

"qualifying customers will receive the Windows 7 upgrade and an upgrade
utility disk(2) with a step-by-step guide for installation at their
convenience.

(2) HP upgrade utility disk is available for consumer product purchases
only. Commercial customers will follow a different upgrade process.
Content may vary by product model or family."

HTH,
Paul

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:28:44 -0400, Ron wrote:

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

If I find that I am expected to go through all this nonsense on my
laptop, I think I'll upgrade Windows 8.1 to Windows 7.

Rod.

Ron wrote:
On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I
read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9
disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.



Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?






If you upgrade to 9 ? Unknown. The next Windows version is 10. MSFT
chose not to release 9.

As Paul noted, if in-place upgrading is an option (install Windows 10
from by running setup from within an qualifying o/s) the usual cleanup
'old' file(s) routes post install should be available.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps