Is the August update important?

On 9/30/2014 5:17 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I
read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help
of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9
disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a
clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I
don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.

If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.



Which means, someone using Windows 8 would have to upgrade to Windows
8.1 (4gbs), then install all of the 8.1 updates (the April updates AKA
Windows 8.1 update 1 that had some bugs while downloading), and then
DOWNLOAD another 20+ Gbs?

I've only upgraded one system in my life (I've always reformatted), and
that was my sisters Vista laptop, a year ago this November. And the only
reason for that was because for some strange reason the wireless (it's
an HP laptop) would not connect to FIOS. Worked with Comcast just fine.
But after she switched it wouldn't connect. AT&T gave her a Netgeat
wireless adapter to "solve" the problem.

I couldn't figure out the problem so I upgraded it to Windows 7. What I
didn't do was look at disc space after the upgrade (not a problem for
her because she will never come close to maxing out a 400Gb HDD).

Sorry for my rambling past my bedtime. My question is, yes I have one,
lol...If I upgrade to Windows 9 am I going to have an OS that is taking
up 50GBs?






If you upgrade to 9 ? Unknown. The next Windows version is 10. MSFT
chose not to release 9.

And that wasn't known until today.

As Paul noted, if in-place upgrading is an option (install Windows 10
from by running setup from within an qualifying o/s) the usual cleanup
'old' file(s) routes post install should be available.


I forgot about the old folder. I remember having one after doing a
repair on a Windows 7 machine and had one after upgrading to Windows 8.1

On 9/30/2014 12:30 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/29/2014 6:32 PM, Norm Fowler wrote:
Ron laid this down on his screen :
On 9/29/2014 11:25 AM, Lars wrote:
I had problems with some updates like unexpectedly shuts downs. I read
August update was causing crashes in Windows 8.1. I had the help of a
remote technician. He uninstalled August update and other security
updates. Now Windows is working perfectly except with unwanted wifi
traffic. The question I have is if August update is needed for
Windows 9
upgrade. I would appreciate someone's help, if is not too soon to
know.

Thank you all.

I just hope that MS will give customers a way to make a Windows 9 disc.

IMO, they should mail one to everyone that bought a Windows 8/8.1
computer.

Since playing around with Win8 when it first came out, I have skipped
using it at all and stayed with Win7. So I will do what I always have
done when a new OS comes out, reformat the drive and install a clean OS
from scratch. I have found this to be the best way to make sure I don't
leave some corrupted file from the previous install.

Yeah, that is what I've done on my desktop computer.

I bought this laptop 2 years ago and it's just my luck that Windows 8
just happen to suck. Windows 8 works (worked) just fine on the desktop
side with a 3rd party start menu/button. I started having problems when
I upgraded to 8.1 and update 1 (April update 2014).

The OP asked about the August update (I'm thinking the April update was
more significant) and if it will be needed to install Windows 9, which
will be free for all Windows 8 users. I'm wondering if you will be able
to upgrade to Windows 9 from Windows 8 and not 8.1.
ha
If so, I will use my recovery discs and put this computer back to
Windows 8 and upgrade from there. It will be absolutely ridiculous if a
Windows 8 computer has to be upgraded to 8.1, then install whatever
updates are needed to install Windows 9.

I'm also hoping that HP will have Win9 drivers for machine once it's
released. They jumped right on Win 8.1 drivers so that's a good sign.


Not sure that makes sense...since Windows 8.0 is basically legacy ware
with all support - updates, patches, etc. ceasing less than a year after
Windows 9....because of that it would make more sense to require Windows
8.1 as the base foundation to move to the next o/s.


Somehow I missed this post.

So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.

On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.

--
Caver1

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:43:35 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.


As far as I'm concerned, you are describing a clean installation, not
an upgrade. Although there are some people who use the word that way,
most people use "upgrade" to mean what is sometimes called an
"in-place upgrade," an upgrade from an installed previous version,
which keeps data, installed programs, etc.

So it *does* matter.

On 10/8/2014 5:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Yeah, but it supposed to be free for everyone that bought a computer
with Windows 8 (me) and I don't want to erase the recovery partition.

On 10/8/2014 10:07 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


The Technical Preview is available for download and you can actually
make an ISO! Yea.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


Look at the history. They should be able to provide an upgrade
path for the last qualifying OS. So 8.1 to 10 would make sense.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/o...is-ridiculous/

And since Microsoft is incapable of drawing a chart here...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../jj203353.aspx

the Wikipedia article has a table for Windows 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

Upgrade path Windows 8
Core Pro Enterprise
Windows 7
Enterprise No No Yes
Ultimate No Yes No
Professional No Yes Yes
Home Premium Yes Yes No
Home Basic Yes Yes No
Starter Yes Yes No

And that suggests I might be able to go from
Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. And that's
about it. So that's a projection based on the
history. Only the last OS qualifies. And then
they do silly things versus the version (on the
presumption the upgrade media has different pricing
and the table is based on price protection, and not
technical issues with preserving Registry settings).

I wonder if Windows 10 will even have this many
versions to deal with ? As the price of the OS
drops, in order to be competitive, there's less
room for "marketing leverage" and "Ultimate" sorts
of versions. They could eliminate Core and just
have Pro for example. The Enterprise stays separate,
to ease handling for big customers.

Paul

On 10/08/2014 11:15 AM, Paul wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


Look at the history. They should be able to provide an upgrade
path for the last qualifying OS. So 8.1 to 10 would make sense.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/o...is-ridiculous/

And since Microsoft is incapable of drawing a chart here...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../jj203353.aspx

the Wikipedia article has a table for Windows 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

Upgrade path Windows 8
Core Pro Enterprise
Windows 7
Enterprise No No Yes
Ultimate No Yes No
Professional No Yes Yes
Home Premium Yes Yes No
Home Basic Yes Yes No
Starter Yes Yes No

And that suggests I might be able to go from
Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. And that's
about it. So that's a projection based on the
history. Only the last OS qualifies. And then
they do silly things versus the version (on the
presumption the upgrade media has different pricing
and the table is based on price protection, and not
technical issues with preserving Registry settings).

I wonder if Windows 10 will even have this many
versions to deal with ? As the price of the OS
drops, in order to be competitive, there's less
room for "marketing leverage" and "Ultimate" sorts
of versions. They could eliminate Core and just
have Pro for example. The Enterprise stays separate,
to ease handling for big customers.

Paul


MS can do anything that they /want/ to do.
I remember reading that MS stated that there would be no upgrade path
from 8.1 to 9, which it was called then. Only a complete install will be
available.
Plans do change though.

--
Caver1

On 10/8/2014 11:15 AM, Paul wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


Look at the history. They should be able to provide an upgrade
path for the last qualifying OS. So 8.1 to 10 would make sense.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/o...is-ridiculous/


And since Microsoft is incapable of drawing a chart here...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../jj203353.aspx

the Wikipedia article has a table for Windows 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

Upgrade path Windows 8
Core Pro Enterprise
Windows 7
Enterprise No No Yes
Ultimate No Yes No
Professional No Yes Yes
Home Premium Yes Yes No
Home Basic Yes Yes No
Starter Yes Yes No

And that suggests I might be able to go from
Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. And that's
about it. So that's a projection based on the
history. Only the last OS qualifies. And then
they do silly things versus the version (on the
presumption the upgrade media has different pricing
and the table is based on price protection, and not
technical issues with preserving Registry settings).

I wonder if Windows 10 will even have this many
versions to deal with ? As the price of the OS
drops, in order to be competitive, there's less
room for "marketing leverage" and "Ultimate" sorts
of versions. They could eliminate Core and just
have Pro for example. The Enterprise stays separate,
to ease handling for big customers.

Just last week I was looking at a site that said the Windows 10
Technical Preview was available for Windows 7 and *Windows 8/8.1 users.

*That is exactly how it was written. Can you upgrade from Windows 8 or
does it have to be 8.1? The slash between 8 and 8.1 is a bit confusing.

And then there is this.


http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsof...indows-7-users

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:52:34 -0400, Ron wrote:

The Technical Preview is available for download and you can actually
make an ISO! Yea.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

I'm always surprised to hear that we have so many beta testers among us.

Ron wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:15 AM, Paul wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


Look at the history. They should be able to provide an upgrade
path for the last qualifying OS. So 8.1 to 10 would make sense.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/o...is-ridiculous/



And since Microsoft is incapable of drawing a chart here...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../jj203353.aspx

the Wikipedia article has a table for Windows 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

Upgrade path Windows 8
Core Pro Enterprise
Windows 7
Enterprise No No Yes
Ultimate No Yes No
Professional No Yes Yes
Home Premium Yes Yes No
Home Basic Yes Yes No
Starter Yes Yes No

And that suggests I might be able to go from
Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. And that's
about it. So that's a projection based on the
history. Only the last OS qualifies. And then
they do silly things versus the version (on the
presumption the upgrade media has different pricing
and the table is based on price protection, and not
technical issues with preserving Registry settings).

I wonder if Windows 10 will even have this many
versions to deal with ? As the price of the OS
drops, in order to be competitive, there's less
room for "marketing leverage" and "Ultimate" sorts
of versions. They could eliminate Core and just
have Pro for example. The Enterprise stays separate,
to ease handling for big customers.

Just last week I was looking at a site that said the Windows 10
Technical Preview was available for Windows 7 and *Windows 8/8.1 users.

*That is exactly how it was written. Can you upgrade from Windows 8 or
does it have to be 8.1? The slash between 8 and 8.1 is a bit confusing.

And then there is this.


http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsof...indows-7-users

Yes, but there's a subtle difference between a designation
of Windows 8.1 versus Windows 8 SP1. The Windows 8.1 was
delivered as virtually an entire DVD. It doesn't mean
all that much was changed, but it was almost handled
like a new OS.

These OSes share a lot architecturally. I don't see
a reason why the upgrade matrix could not handle
any OS from Vista onwards. So when they make those
chintzy tables, they have ulterior motives. It's
not an "actual compatibility problem". It's whatever
their business model requires.

For example, this table shows us what is considered a new OS...

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx

Windows 10
Windows 8.1 Version 6.3 (In a sense, this is the "missing Windows 9")
Windows 8 Version 6.2
Windows 7 Version 6.1
Windows Vista Version 6.0 (took five years to make...)

So my narrow interpretation, is at "upgrade" time, we
would be going from 6.3 to 6.4. And someone at 6.2 would
have to upgrade (for free) to 6.3. Which is easy to do
and not a problem (yet).

Again, I'm not using an official source to predict upgrade
policy, merely looking at the history of upgrading,
to figure out what might happen. It would cost them extra
test time, to make sure the 6.4 OS could upgrade both
6.3 and 6.2. And they may limit the table, to going
directly from 6.3 to 6.4.

Paul

On 10/08/2014 12:43 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:15 AM, Paul wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
On 10/08/2014 05:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:29:54 -0400, Ron wrote:


So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.


Look at the history. They should be able to provide an upgrade
path for the last qualifying OS. So 8.1 to 10 would make sense.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/o...is-ridiculous/



And since Microsoft is incapable of drawing a chart here...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../jj203353.aspx

the Wikipedia article has a table for Windows 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

Upgrade path Windows 8
Core Pro Enterprise
Windows 7
Enterprise No No Yes
Ultimate No Yes No
Professional No Yes Yes
Home Premium Yes Yes No
Home Basic Yes Yes No
Starter Yes Yes No

And that suggests I might be able to go from
Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro. And that's
about it. So that's a projection based on the
history. Only the last OS qualifies. And then
they do silly things versus the version (on the
presumption the upgrade media has different pricing
and the table is based on price protection, and not
technical issues with preserving Registry settings).

I wonder if Windows 10 will even have this many
versions to deal with ? As the price of the OS
drops, in order to be competitive, there's less
room for "marketing leverage" and "Ultimate" sorts
of versions. They could eliminate Core and just
have Pro for example. The Enterprise stays separate,
to ease handling for big customers.

Just last week I was looking at a site that said the Windows 10
Technical Preview was available for Windows 7 and *Windows 8/8.1 users.

*That is exactly how it was written. Can you upgrade from Windows 8 or
does it have to be 8.1? The slash between 8 and 8.1 is a bit confusing.

And then there is this.


http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsof...indows-7-users

Yes, but there's a subtle difference between a designation
of Windows 8.1 versus Windows 8 SP1. The Windows 8.1 was
delivered as virtually an entire DVD. It doesn't mean
all that much was changed, but it was almost handled
like a new OS.

These OSes share a lot architecturally. I don't see
a reason why the upgrade matrix could not handle
any OS from Vista onwards. So when they make those
chintzy tables, they have ulterior motives. It's
not an "actual compatibility problem". It's whatever
their business model requires.

For example, this table shows us what is considered a new OS...

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx

Windows 10
Windows 8.1 Version 6.3 (In a sense, this is the "missing Windows 9")
Windows 8 Version 6.2
Windows 7 Version 6.1
Windows Vista Version 6.0 (took five years to make...)

So my narrow interpretation, is at "upgrade" time, we
would be going from 6.3 to 6.4. And someone at 6.2 would
have to upgrade (for free) to 6.3. Which is easy to do
and not a problem (yet).

Again, I'm not using an official source to predict upgrade
policy, merely looking at the history of upgrading,
to figure out what might happen. It would cost them extra
test time, to make sure the 6.4 OS could upgrade both
6.3 and 6.2. And they may limit the table, to going
directly from 6.3 to 6.4.

Paul


All I know is at the time MS said that there would be no upgrade path.
If that is the case history would be no good.
Things do change though.


--
Caver1

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:52:34 -0400, Ron wrote:

So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.

It's what I would always prefer to do anyway. I've more or less
decided to wipe the drive and do a full install of the copy of Windows
7 that I bought at the same time as my Windows 8 laptop. I've
struggled long enough.

The Technical Preview is available for download and you can actually
make an ISO!

Done that. I had tried Windows 8 preview for about 6 months, but gave
Windows 10 preview about 2 days before deciding I can't be bothered
with this any more, as Windows is clearly not going to get any better
after Windows 7.

Yea.

No!!

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

You'll regret it.

Rod.

On 10/8/2014 3:20 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:52:34 -0400, Ron wrote:

So are you saying that people that have Windows 7 can't upgrade to
Windows TEN unless they upgrade to Windows 8.1 first?

Since with the appropriate version, you can "upgrade" to any system
from a blank drive, you can effectively upgrade to it from any other
system, so it hardly matters.

Rod.


I thought MS said that there wasn't going to be a way to update to the
next version of Windows. Just a full install.

It's what I would always prefer to do anyway. I've more or less
decided to wipe the drive and do a full install of the copy of Windows
7 that I bought at the same time as my Windows 8 laptop. I've
struggled long enough.

The Technical Preview is available for download and you can actually
make an ISO!

Done that. I had tried Windows 8 preview for about 6 months, but gave
Windows 10 preview about 2 days before deciding I can't be bothered
with this any more, as Windows is clearly not going to get any better
after Windows 7.

Yea.

No!!

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

You'll regret it.

I'm not downloading anything until it is officially released. If I don't
like it I will put this machine back to Windows 8, but it HAS to be
better than 8.