Never10 - a tool from Gibson Research Corporation

Never10

The name “Never 10� is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may
also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic
upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows'
pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10.

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with
this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited
advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes
Microsoft made by merging their failed “tiled� smartphone user-interface
into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed
whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be
configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade
qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However,
Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of
the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying
systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some
deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple
user-interface to give their users the choice. “Never10� provides that
choice.

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm


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On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Never10

The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may
also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic
upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows'
pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10.

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with
this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited
advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes
Microsoft made by merging their failed “tiled” smartphone user-interface
into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed
whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be
configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade
qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However,
Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of
the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying
systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some
deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple
user-interface to give their users the choice. “Never10” provides that
choice.

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Should have been named 'Better late than never'

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On 11/05/2016 09:50, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Never10

The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may
also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic
upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows'
pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10.

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with
this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited
advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes
Microsoft made by merging their failed “tiled” smartphone user-interface
into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed
whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be
configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade
qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However,
Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of
the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying
systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some
deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple
user-interface to give their users the choice. “Never10” provides that
choice.

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Should have been named 'Better late than never'

Maybe so! :-) Will you try it?

Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he-

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745

I suspect the moderators will jump on it fairly quickly, but there is an
hour or two before America wakes up! ;-)

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On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:00 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 11/05/2016 09:50, p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:14:59 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Never10

The name “Never 10” is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may
also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic
upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows'
pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10.

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait. In line with
this, a few months into 2016, Windows 10 started displaying unsolicited
advertisements on its users' desktops. Others dislike the changes
Microsoft made by merging their failed “tiled” smartphone user-interface
into the Windows UI. And, finally, some object to being force-fed
whatever Microsoft wants and simply wish to choose for themselves.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be
configured, on a machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade
qualifying Windows 7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However,
Microsoft did not make this configuration simple. It requires the use of
the group policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying
systems) and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some
deep internal configuration options but chose not to provide a simple
user-interface to give their users the choice. “Never10” provides that
choice.

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Should have been named 'Better late than never'

Maybe so! :-) Will you try it?

No.

Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he-

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745

I suspect the moderators will jump on it fairly quickly, but there is an
hour or two before America wakes up! ;-)

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On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:06:00 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Maybe so! :-) Will you try it?

No

Perhaps you'd like to join in the discussion I've started he-

hxxp://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows

No.
I thought that was what the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup
was for.
Don't forget the [OT] if you post to completely unrelated
groups.
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David B. explained :
Never10

The name “Never 10� is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility may also
be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system automatic upgrading. But
the primary reason for using this is to disable Windows' pestering insistence
upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10.

I got rid of it permanently simply by 'upgrading' to Windows 10.

On 11/05/2016 14:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
David B. explained :
Never10

The name “Never 10� is a bit of an overstatement, since this utility
may also be used to easily re-enable Windows operating system
automatic upgrading. But the primary reason for using this is to
disable Windows' pestering insistence upon upgrading Windows 7 or 8.1
to Windows 10.

I got rid of it permanently simply by 'upgrading' to Windows 10.

:-) Me too!

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On 11/05/2016 12:24, burfordTjustice, Clueless as usual recommended ..

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html

You STOLE that advice from here!!!

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...=1462955756745

On 11/05/2016 09:14, David B. wrote:
Never10

all crap snipped


Is this all you do whole day trawling the net and posting spam links on
newsgroups? the articles you are referring to are factually incorrect
and not worthy of reading by any intelligent person. They are suitable
for idiots like you who don't even know what Windows 10 is about. You
need to use Windows 10 to know it better. Just reading articles that
are incorrect is not going to enhance your knowledge.

In short, can you just **** off.





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Good Guy wrote:
On 11/05/2016 09:14, David B. wrote:
Never10

all crap snipped


Is this all you do whole day trawling the net and posting spam links on
newsgroups?

*NO* SPAM has been posted by me.

the articles you are referring to are factually incorrect
and not worthy of reading by any intelligent person. They are suitable
for idiots like you who don't even know what Windows 10 is about. You
need to use Windows 10 to know it better. Just reading articles that
are incorrect is not going to enhance your knowledge.

Do you have sufficient acumen to read the header of this message?

If so, please report what operating system I have used to make this
reply to you.

I don't hold grudges. I will accept your apology if forthcoming.

David B.

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David B. wrote:

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait.

The amount of spying in Windows 10 is only incrementally more than what
was employed within Windows 7/8 (and equally disabable via manual
intervention). In fact, rather than separately discover each tweak to
modify spying, er, telemetry features in Win10, there are tools that
will assist with that task (rather than dig around inside Win10 to find
them), like:

O&O ShutUp10
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
(portable app)

Spybot Anti-Beacon
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
(portable edition available)

Destroy Windows 10 Spying
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...10_spying.html
(portable app)

DoNotSpy10
http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/
(Requires .NET Framework 4.5 or higher)
(If you are afraid of and are ignorant of how OpenCandy works to offer
bundleware and fear you cannot say No, don't use this one.)
(Donationware aka PAYWARE version not ad-supported.)

I have not researched or used these to know which ones overlap the
others by how much or which ones encompass more privacy settings.
There were more privacy tools but some dumped or discontinued working
on theirs when O&O ShutUp10 showed up. I would stick with those that
have a portable edition.

The lack of user control over updates (to not install some rather than
merely delay them) should be of more concern. Microsoft has a history
of destructive updates. Of course, for those users that let Microsoft
change the state of their PCs by using automatic updates or blindly
accepting them all, they will still get the bad updates. For those that
actually perform the administrator duties that they have self-assigned
to their PC, they review the updates and will block those known to cause
problems or are even non-applicable. In Windows 10, you don't get a
choice (for non-Enterprise editions) of getting their updates.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features

A feature, not features.

to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a
machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows
7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not
make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group
policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems)
and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep
internal configuration options

EVERYTHING is "deep" within the registry. Nothing special about this
particular policy setting. The above makes it appear that anything
regarding the registry is "deep" and requires use of magic. Ever use
Firefox or Google's Chrome? Yep, you have to delve into about:config to
get to their "hidden" settings. Nothing magic there, either.

To debunk the "magic" mystery involving this registry setting, read:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

To effect the same policy in Win7/8 without using a policy editor,
especially for users of the Home edition that don't have one, just use
regedit.exe and edit the following:

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUp date
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

That's what Never10 does but you don't need a magic program to edit the
registry. GWX Control Panel also makes this registry edit (via its "Are
Windows 10 upgrades allowed" = No option) and more.

but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users
the choice.

You want Microsoft to add a program within Windows 7/8 to alter some
Control Panel applet to add a policy (registry) setting to NOT migrate
to a different OS? They already nearly do the same. It's their GWX
adware program.

Providing a .reg file to double-click would be an even simpler user
interface. See next.

´Never10¡ provides that choice.

All it does it is set a registry setting for those that don't have a
group/local policy editor, like for the Home edition. He could've just
provided a .reg file to do the same thing rather than have user run a
program to do it. Users could look at a .reg file to see what it does.
They can't look in his program to see what it does.

Gibson's Never10 tool does only 1 function of what the GWX Control Panel
utility does. The latter can monitor if you get the adware (because
you're too lazy to review every offered update) rather than the former
just neutering it after it arrives.

Gibson's tool only does one thing: edit one setting in the registry.
Rather odd that he distributes a program to do this instead of a simple
..reg file that you double click on. It does check if the version of the
AU service you have will honor this setting; however, registry settings
can exist whether or not they are used. If you haven't updated the AU
service then this registry setting is worthless; however, GWX Control
Panel has other features to prevent Win7/8 turning into adware (although
I would suggest updating the AU service to afford yourself of
Microsoft's policy setting in the registry as another brick in the
anti-Win10 barricade).

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

GWX Control Panel
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

An advantage of Never10 over GWX: No installation. After all, Never10
is merely editing a registry setting, just as would a .reg file.
A disadvantage of Never10: *YOU* have to manually run it periodically to
do its other checks.

Never10 relies on Microsoft's policy being honored by Microsoft's AU
service to prevent downloading Microsoft's GWX adware. Who was it that
caused all the Win10 lureware problems on Win7/8? Oh yeah, that was
Microsoft. Gibson wants you to still trust Microsoft.

On 11/05/2016 20:46, VanguardLH wrote:
David B. wrote:

Many users of Windows 7 and 8.1 are happy with their current version of
Windows, and have no wish to upgrade to Windows 10. There are many
reasons for this, but among them is the fact that Windows 10 has become
controversial due to Microsoft's evolution of their Windows operating
system platform into a service which, among other things, aggressively
monitors and reports on its users activities. This alone makes many
users uncomfortable enough to cause them to choose to wait.

The amount of spying in Windows 10 is only incrementally more than what
was employed within Windows 7/8 (and equally disabable via manual
intervention). In fact, rather than separately discover each tweak to
modify spying, er, telemetry features in Win10, there are tools that
will assist with that task (rather than dig around inside Win10 to find
them), like:

O&O ShutUp10
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
(portable app)

Spybot Anti-Beacon
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
(portable edition available)

Destroy Windows 10 Spying
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...10_spying.html
(portable app)

DoNotSpy10
http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/
(Requires .NET Framework 4.5 or higher)
(If you are afraid of and are ignorant of how OpenCandy works to offer
bundleware and fear you cannot say No, don't use this one.)
(Donationware aka PAYWARE version not ad-supported.)

I have not researched or used these to know which ones overlap the
others by how much or which ones encompass more privacy settings.
There were more privacy tools but some dumped or discontinued working
on theirs when O&O ShutUp10 showed up. I would stick with those that
have a portable edition.

The lack of user control over updates (to not install some rather than
merely delay them) should be of more concern. Microsoft has a history
of destructive updates. Of course, for those users that let Microsoft
change the state of their PCs by using automatic updates or blindly
accepting them all, they will still get the bad updates. For those that
actually perform the administrator duties that they have self-assigned
to their PC, they review the updates and will block those known to cause
problems or are even non-applicable. In Windows 10, you don't get a
choice (for non-Enterprise editions) of getting their updates.

In July of 2015, responding to the significant user backlash, Microsoft
added features

A feature, not features.

to its Windows Update facility which allow it to be configured, on a
machine-by-machine basis, to not forcibly upgrade qualifying Windows
7 and 8.1 operating systems to Windows 10. However, Microsoft did not
make this configuration simple. It requires the use of the group
policy editor (which is not present in some qualifying systems)
and/or the system registry. In other words, they created some deep
internal configuration options

EVERYTHING is "deep" within the registry. Nothing special about this
particular policy setting. The above makes it appear that anything
regarding the registry is "deep" and requires use of magic. Ever use
Firefox or Google's Chrome? Yep, you have to delve into about:config to
get to their "hidden" settings. Nothing magic there, either.

To debunk the "magic" mystery involving this registry setting, read:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

To effect the same policy in Win7/8 without using a policy editor,
especially for users of the Home edition that don't have one, just use
regedit.exe and edit the following:

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUp date
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

That's what Never10 does but you don't need a magic program to edit the
registry. GWX Control Panel also makes this registry edit (via its "Are
Windows 10 upgrades allowed" = No option) and more.

but chose not to provide a simple user-interface to give their users
the choice.

You want Microsoft to add a program within Windows 7/8 to alter some
Control Panel applet to add a policy (registry) setting to NOT migrate
to a different OS? They already nearly do the same. It's their GWX
adware program.

Providing a .reg file to double-click would be an even simpler user
interface. See next.

´Never10¡ provides that choice.

All it does it is set a registry setting for those that don't have a
group/local policy editor, like for the Home edition. He could've just
provided a .reg file to do the same thing rather than have user run a
program to do it. Users could look at a .reg file to see what it does.
They can't look in his program to see what it does.

Gibson's Never10 tool does only 1 function of what the GWX Control Panel
utility does. The latter can monitor if you get the adware (because
you're too lazy to review every offered update) rather than the former
just neutering it after it arrives.

Gibson's tool only does one thing: edit one setting in the registry.
Rather odd that he distributes a program to do this instead of a simple
.reg file that you double click on. It does check if the version of the
AU service you have will honor this setting; however, registry settings
can exist whether or not they are used. If you haven't updated the AU
service then this registry setting is worthless; however, GWX Control
Panel has other features to prevent Win7/8 turning into adware (although
I would suggest updating the AU service to afford yourself of
Microsoft's policy setting in the registry as another brick in the
anti-Win10 barricade).

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

GWX Control Panel
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

An advantage of Never10 over GWX: No installation. After all, Never10
is merely editing a registry setting, just as would a .reg file.
A disadvantage of Never10: *YOU* have to manually run it periodically to
do its other checks.

Never10 relies on Microsoft's policy being honored by Microsoft's AU
service to prevent downloading Microsoft's GWX adware. Who was it that
caused all the Win10 lureware problems on Win7/8? Oh yeah, that was
Microsoft. Gibson wants you to still trust Microsoft.

Thank you for all your thoughts on this, VanguardLH.

*I trust Gibson*.

I know nothing about the author of GWX
https://www.blogger.com/profile/09004247608053632633

Folk who don't disclose who they *really* are will never get MY blessing!

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