A screen question.

Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...

Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

Not really. Have you looked into getting a pair of glasses just for using
the computer? Mine are set to focus at 24", have several coatings to reduce
florescent lighting effects and glare for office use. They work great for
me...


--
Bob S.

On 9/7/19 10:25 PM, n/a wrote:
"Peter Jason"Â* wrote in message
...

Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

Not really.Â* Have you looked into getting a pair of glasses just for
using the computer? Mine are set to focus at 24", have several coatings
to reduce florescent lighting effects and glare for office use.Â* They
work great for me...


Same thing my doctor prescribed.

In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your
part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with wikipedia,
and it's a lot more complicated than I thought - so I'll go with my
original thought, that it means the lenses in your eyes mean you see the
world as either stretched or compressed vertically - circles appear as
ovals, and people appear either tall and thin or short and fat - and
your glasses correct for this. And you were wondering if it's possible
to find a monitor you can use without wearing your glasses.

Depending on your degree of astigmatism, an old CRT monitor with height
and/or width controls might be of use, but not only will those now be
hard to find, but I don't think the adjustment is very much.

An alternative would be to deliberately set your graphics card
(including the in-built one if it's a laptop) to a resolution that's the
wrong aspect ratio for your monitor. I've seen people do this often
enough in practice, by mistake (most commonly feeding a widescreen
monitor with a 4:3 signal); it had never occurred to me that it might
actually be useful!

If your astigmatism means you see the world stretched vertically, then
using a widescreen monitor (the common type nowadays), but with the
graphics card set to suit a 4:3 monitor, will give you fat pictures. If
you naturally see the world as short and fat, then using a widescreen
mode on a 4:3 monitor (you can still get them, I think - just harder to
find. Should be able to find them second-hand no problem!) should help.

Three problems with this "solution":

0. With any monitor that has a "native resolution", i. e. pixels, which
means any modern flat-screen monitor, using it at other than its native
resolution (or an integral fraction thereof) will result in _some_
blurring. This may still be acceptable as the cost for not wearing your
glasses. (It won't apply to a CRT monitor!)

1. Some modern monitors and graphics cards talk to each other, which
might mean that the graphics card knows what shape the monitor is, and
may refuse to offer "incorrect" resolutions. To get round this, you
might have to do one or more of the following: select "generic" rather
than specific monitor; use analogue (SVGA) rather than anything more
recent (IMO, the difference is far less than claimed in most cases - not
visible to me); even with SVGA, you might have to cut a wire/pin.

2. The range of ratio "corrections" (distortions) available will be
limited - possibly only to the difference between 16:9 and 4:3. You can
expand the range somewhat by turning your monitor sideways: modern OSs
(I think XP on, possibly earlier) have the ability to turn the picture
sideways, though how to invoke it isn't widely known. (Sometimes it's as
simple as the arrow keys with other keys.)

There are utilities that can force your graphics card to output
non-standard resolutions; I imagine how well these work varies from card
to card. (Note that in extreme cases this _could_ damage the monitor,
though I think only for very old CRT ones - modern ones, including later
CRT ones, usually detect "out-of-range" feeds, and pop up a notice to
that effect on screen, or at least just go blank, or display an unlocked
picture.)

I'd say it's definitely worth investigating these avenues - conventional
monitors (of the two shapes) used with unorthodox resolution settings,
and the possibility of using them sideways.

P. S.: before messing with resolutions (including going sideways), I'd
say it's worth getting hold of one of the free utilities that can store
your icon positions, and put them back: changing resolution does tend to
muck them up. I normally use iconoid (https://www.sillysot.com/ - yes,
that really is the URL!); another, slightly quirkier one but the only
one I know that actually has the option to save the settings in a real
file rather than buried in the registry somewhere, is desktopOK.
--
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truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 9/7/19 10:25 PM, n/a wrote:
"Peter Jason"* wrote in message
...

Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

Not really.* Have you looked into getting a pair of glasses just for
using the computer? Mine are set to focus at 24", have several coatings
to reduce florescent lighting effects and glare for office use.* They
work great for me...


Same thing my doctor prescribed.

I have two pairs: A set with progressive lenses for general use and
another with the focus just short of arm's length for desk work,
reading and computer. It's a damned nuisance having to change them but
for many years it has been the best choice for me.

--


Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with wikipedia,
and it's a lot more complicated than I thought - so I'll go with my
original thought, that it means the lenses in your eyes mean you see the
world as either stretched or compressed vertically - circles appear as
ovals, and people appear either tall and thin or short and fat - and your
glasses correct for this. And you were wondering if it's possible to find
a monitor you can use without wearing your glasses.

Depending on your degree of astigmatism, an old CRT monitor with height
and/or width controls might be of use, but not only will those now be hard
to find, but I don't think the adjustment is very much.

An alternative would be to deliberately set your graphics card (including
the in-built one if it's a laptop) to a resolution that's the wrong aspect
ratio for your monitor. I've seen people do this often enough in practice,
by mistake (most commonly feeding a widescreen monitor with a 4:3 signal);
it had never occurred to me that it might actually be useful!

If your astigmatism means you see the world stretched vertically, then
using a widescreen monitor (the common type nowadays), but with the
graphics card set to suit a 4:3 monitor, will give you fat pictures. If
you naturally see the world as short and fat, then using a widescreen mode
on a 4:3 monitor (you can still get them, I think - just harder to find.
Should be able to find them second-hand no problem!) should help.

Three problems with this "solution":

0. With any monitor that has a "native resolution", i. e. pixels, which
means any modern flat-screen monitor, using it at other than its native
resolution (or an integral fraction thereof) will result in _some_
blurring. This may still be acceptable as the cost for not wearing your
glasses. (It won't apply to a CRT monitor!)

1. Some modern monitors and graphics cards talk to each other, which might
mean that the graphics card knows what shape the monitor is, and may
refuse to offer "incorrect" resolutions. To get round this, you might have
to do one or more of the following: select "generic" rather than specific
monitor; use analogue (SVGA) rather than anything more recent (IMO, the
difference is far less than claimed in most cases - not visible to me);
even with SVGA, you might have to cut a wire/pin.

2. The range of ratio "corrections" (distortions) available will be
limited - possibly only to the difference between 16:9 and 4:3. You can
expand the range somewhat by turning your monitor sideways: modern OSs (I
think XP on, possibly earlier) have the ability to turn the picture
sideways, though how to invoke it isn't widely known. (Sometimes it's as
simple as the arrow keys with other keys.)

There are utilities that can force your graphics card to output
non-standard resolutions; I imagine how well these work varies from card
to card. (Note that in extreme cases this _could_ damage the monitor,
though I think only for very old CRT ones - modern ones, including later
CRT ones, usually detect "out-of-range" feeds, and pop up a notice to that
effect on screen, or at least just go blank, or display an unlocked
picture.)

I'd say it's definitely worth investigating these avenues - conventional
monitors (of the two shapes) used with unorthodox resolution settings, and
the possibility of using them sideways.

P. S.: before messing with resolutions (including going sideways), I'd say
it's worth getting hold of one of the free utilities that can store your
icon positions, and put them back: changing resolution does tend to muck
them up. I normally use iconoid (https://www.sillysot.com/ - yes, that
really is the URL!); another, slightly quirkier one but the only one I
know that actually has the option to save the settings in a real file
rather than buried in the registry somewhere, is desktopOK.

Unfortunately, unless your astigmatism is equal in both eyes, and your
vision is equal in both eyes as well, there's not much you can do to adjust
a monitor for that. As one who has 20/200 vision in one eye, 20/400 in the
other, and moderately bad astigmatism in only one eye (my "good" one, of
course), I can absolutely state that there is nothing that can be done to a
monitor that would help me see anything clearer without my specs :-)
--

SC Tom

"Eric Stevens" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 9/7/19 10:25 PM, n/a wrote:
"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...

Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

Not really. Have you looked into getting a pair of glasses just for
using the computer? Mine are set to focus at 24", have several coatings
to reduce florescent lighting effects and glare for office use. They
work great for me...


Same thing my doctor prescribed.

I have two pairs: A set with progressive lenses for general use and
another with the focus just short of arm's length for desk work,
reading and computer. It's a damned nuisance having to change them but
for many years it has been the best choice for me.


When I was working, I also had two pair- one for "general" use, and another
pair also with progressive lenses with a near-to-midrange (10' or so) range
so I could still navigate around the plant without changing them. The
midrange were good enough to drive a cart or forklift, but not really good
enough to be on the open road. They also allowed me to read or work at a
monitor without tilting my head back to an uncomfortable angle :-(
I don't need the midrange at home since I can have my monitor set far enough
back on my desk to not be uncomfortable looking at it :-)
--

SC Tom

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 11:08:35 +0100
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your
part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with
wikipedia, and it's a lot more complicated than I thought - so I'll
go with my original thought, that it means the lenses in your eyes
mean you see the world as either stretched or compressed vertically -
circles appear as ovals, and people appear either tall and thin or
short and fat - and your glasses correct for this. And you were
wondering if it's possible to find a monitor you can use without
wearing your glasses.

I have astigmatism and that is not how the world appears, nothing is
compressed or stretched.

In my case when looking at the letter E on an eye chart, the vertical
line is sharp and clear, but the horizontal lines are blurry.

Fortunately my eyesight is correctable to 20/20.

In message , SC Tom writes:


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with
[]
Unfortunately, unless your astigmatism is equal in both eyes, and your
vision is equal in both eyes as well, there's not much you can do to
adjust a monitor for that. As one who has 20/200 vision in one eye,
20/400 in the other, and moderately bad astigmatism in only one eye (my
"good" one, of course), I can absolutely state that there is nothing
that can be done to a monitor that would help me see anything clearer
without my specs :-)

The original poster Peter Jason didn't say he only had it in one eye.

I you're still reading, Peter - what _is_ the nature of your
astigmatism: is it different _gain_ in the X and Y directions (making
circles look oval), different _focus_ (as described by Johnny and
Wikipedia), or something else? And _are_ your eyes different (to each
other)?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Norman Tebbitt has the irritating quality of being much nicer in person than
he is in print. - Clive Anderson, RT 1996/10/12-18

On 9/8/2019 9:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , SC Tom writes:


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with
[]
Unfortunately, unless your astigmatism is equal in both eyes, and your
vision is equal in both eyes as well, there's not much you can do to
adjust a monitor for that. As one who has 20/200 vision in one eye,
20/400 in the other, and moderately bad astigmatism in only one eye (my
"good" one, of course), I can absolutely state that there is nothing
that can be done to a monitor that would help me see anything clearer
without my specs :-)

The original poster Peter Jason didn't say he only had it in one eye.

I you're still reading, Peter - what _is_ the nature of your
astigmatism: is it different _gain_ in the X and Y directions (making
circles look oval), different _focus_ (as described by Johnny and
Wikipedia), or something else? And _are_ your eyes different (to each
other)?


Astigmatism can be caused by an irregularity in the eye's cornea or
lens. It might be in only one eye. If it is in both eyes, it is often
not the same in each eye.

While the usual irregularity is a curvature that differs between the
vertical and horizontal, it is also possible that the curvature is "off"
on a diagonal. In some cases, however, the irregularity can be a
waviness in the cornea or lens.

Given all this, I really do not think any adjustment to a computer
monitor would substitute for eye glasses, contact lenses, or eye surgery.

--
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Immigration authorities arrested 680 undocumented aliens in meat
processing facilities in Mississippi. Employing someone who is not
legally in the U.S. is also illegal. How many of the EMPLOYERS are
being criminally charged? If none, why not?

On 08/09/2019 11:08, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What a fascinating question,


Irrespective of whether it is fascinating question or not, why the ****
was it necessary to cross-post this crap on all the newsgroups that you
know of? Have you always been so demented and stupid that you can't
think laterally that this is the main source of stupid posts on Windows
10 newsgroup?






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With over 999 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 2019-09-07 19:25, n/a wrote:
Have you looked into getting a pair of glasses just for using the
computer? Mine are set to focus at 24", have several coatings to reduce
florescent lighting effects and glare for office use.Â* They work great
for me...

sounds like the best solution. I use el-cheap readers (have been for
years, decades even) and they do the job.

--
(aka 'Bombastic Bob' in case you wondered)

'Feeling with my fingers, and thinking with my brain' - me

'your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie'
"Straighten up and fly right"

On 2019-09-08 03:08, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Peter Jason
writes:
Hi, I wear glasses for astigmatism etc and I wonder if it's possible
to buy a monitor whose screen can be adjusted for this & similar
conditions?

What a fascinating question, and excellent lateral thinking on your part!

I thought I knew what astigmatism was, and just checked with wikipedia,
and it's a lot more complicated than I thought

based on what optometrists do with glasses to correct for it,
astigmatisms are more than likely inconsistent focusing across various
parts of the eye. So whereas glasses correct for it, maybe you need
different prescriptions for close work than for "general vision"

some form of "computer only" glasses, seem to be the way to go.
Bifocals only work when you look down, and nobody does that with their
monitors [maybe phones/slabs but not desktops]

On 2019-09-08 13:13, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 08/09/2019 11:08, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What a fascinating question,


Irrespective of whether it isÂ* fascinating question or not, why the ****
was it necessary to cross-post this crap on all the newsgroups that you
know of?Â* Have you always been so demented and stupid that you can't
think laterally that this is the main source of stupid posts on Windows
10 newsgroup?


you the self-appointed cop? HA HA HA HA [I've seen many of your posts
over the years, and this is too funny]



--
(aka 'Bombastic Bob' in case you wondered)

'Feeling with my fingers, and thinking with my brain' - me

'your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie'
"Straighten up and fly right"

On 08/09/2019 22:29, Big Bad Bob wrote:



you the self-appointed cop? HA HA HA HA [I've seen many of your posts
over the years, and this is too funny]


With your low intelligence anything like this would be too funny.





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With over 999 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.