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  #121  
Old January 10th 19, 12:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stephen Wolstenholme[_6_]
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Default 10 Sucks !

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?


So it would fit in my wallet.


Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.


I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?

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  #122  
Old January 10th 19, 01:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David B.[_10_]
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Posts: 286
Default 10 Sucks !

On 10/01/2019 11:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?

So it would fit in my wallet.


Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.


I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?


Hmmm!

This you, Steve?

*******
Cheshire
SK8 5HZ
England

One could assume that you are also British - but you may NOT be! ;-)

--
David B.
  #123  
Old January 10th 19, 02:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stephen Wolstenholme[_6_]
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Posts: 275
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:02:14 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 10/01/2019 11:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?

So it would fit in my wallet.

Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.


I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?


Hmmm!

This you, Steve?

*******
Cheshire
SK8 5HZ
England

One could assume that you are also British - but you may NOT be! ;-)


Yes, that's me but I still haven't got a wallet! Wallets are too easy
to lose or get stolen.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

  #124  
Old January 10th 19, 03:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Posts: 2,221
Default 10 Sucks !

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.


I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.


But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.


I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.


Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.



Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.



I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."
  #125  
Old January 10th 19, 03:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:27:18 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.



Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.



I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."


It may have been the default when they wrote that, but they must have changed policies at some point, because I guarantee you the only browser on my fresh install of 10 was IE. When I launched that, it asked if I'd like to try Edge. When I said yes, it downloaded and installed it!
  #126  
Old January 10th 19, 03:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:12:04 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:02:14 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 10/01/2019 11:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?

So it would fit in my wallet.

Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.

I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?


Hmmm!

This you, Steve?

*******
Cheshire
SK8 5HZ
England

One could assume that you are also British - but you may NOT be! ;-)


Yes, that's me but I still haven't got a wallet! Wallets are too easy
to lose or get stolen.


I don't usually carry one. I normally only have one monetary item with me, a debit card. I just slip that in my pocket. I only use a wallet for cash.
  #127  
Old January 10th 19, 03:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Posts: 2,221
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:27:18 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.



Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.



I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."


Also see
https://www.intowindows.com/how-do-i...-windows-1087/

which says

"Edge is a new web browser from Microsoft. Microsoft Edge is
preinstalled in Windows 10, and it is the default web browser in
Windows 10."

and

"Edge is preinstalled in Windows 10 and cannot be downloaded
separately. Because Microsoft is not offering Edge as a separate
download, there is no way to download Edge even on Windows 10 leave
alone Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."
  #128  
Old January 10th 19, 04:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:44:02 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:27:18 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.



I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."


Also see
https://www.intowindows.com/how-do-i...-windows-1087/

which says

"Edge is a new web browser from Microsoft. Microsoft Edge is
preinstalled in Windows 10, and it is the default web browser in
Windows 10."

and

"Edge is preinstalled in Windows 10 and cannot be downloaded
separately. Because Microsoft is not offering Edge as a separate
download, there is no way to download Edge even on Windows 10 leave
alone Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."


Yet mine did it. I believe what actually happened over what a website says.
  #129  
Old January 10th 19, 04:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Posts: 4,718
Default 10 Sucks !

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me
blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than
one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc,
etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.



I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."


It may have been the default when they wrote that, but they must have
changed policies at some point, because I guarantee you the only
browser on my fresh install of 10 was IE. When I launched that, it asked
if I'd like to try Edge. When I said yes, it downloaded and installed it!


bull****.
  #130  
Old January 10th 19, 04:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default 10 Sucks !

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:44:02 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:27:18 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as
the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try
out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10
installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open
a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page
saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10
users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of
course be possible that we're both right, depending on which
version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their
policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law.
Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers
is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having
something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably
stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies.
The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're
"warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm
concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me
why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with
(Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the
part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet
connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of
the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just
not working, quite often getting confused with internet
connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11
came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know
that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other
software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10,
and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that
when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the
installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said
here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling
me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in
more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's
Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service
pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.


I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."


Also see
https://www.intowindows.com/how-do-i...-windows-1087/


which says

"Edge is a new web browser from Microsoft. Microsoft Edge is
preinstalled in Windows 10, and it is the default web browser in
Windows 10."

and

"Edge is preinstalled in Windows 10 and cannot be downloaded
separately. Because Microsoft is not offering Edge as a separate
download, there is no way to download Edge even on Windows 10 leave
alone Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."


Yet mine did it. I believe what actually happened over what a website
says.


You can try a few commands from "right-click Start : Run" .

What does "winver.exe" report for your OS ?

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.125)

What does "control system" report for your OS ?

"Windows Edition

Win 10 Pro

System Type: 32-bit Operating System
"

Those examples are from a special "frozen" VM.

Paul
  #131  
Old January 10th 19, 04:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:40:46 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:44:02 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:27:18 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:57:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake
wrote:


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as
the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try
out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10
installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open
a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page
saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10
users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of
course be possible that we're both right, depending on which
version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their
policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law.
Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers
is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having
something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably
stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies.
The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're
"warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm
concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me
why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with
(Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the
part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet
connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of
the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just
not working, quite often getting confused with internet
connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11
came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know
that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other
software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10,
and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that
when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the
installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said
here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling
me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in
more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's
Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service
pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.


I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but I just ran across
this web site:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ser-windows-10


Note the first two paragraphs:

"Microsoft Edge is your new, default web browser for Windows 10, but
that doesn't mean you have to use it. Web browsing is a personal
experience and many of us are already attached to and invested in a
particular browser.

So, while Edge may be the default out of the box, it's pretty simple
to change it up for something else."

Also see
https://www.intowindows.com/how-do-i...-windows-1087/


which says

"Edge is a new web browser from Microsoft. Microsoft Edge is
preinstalled in Windows 10, and it is the default web browser in
Windows 10."

and

"Edge is preinstalled in Windows 10 and cannot be downloaded
separately. Because Microsoft is not offering Edge as a separate
download, there is no way to download Edge even on Windows 10 leave
alone Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."


Yet mine did it. I believe what actually happened over what a website
says.


You can try a few commands from "right-click Start : Run" .


Not sure how this will help as it's updated itself many times since I downloaded Edge, so the numbers given now will be higher.

What does "winver.exe" report for your OS ?

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.125)


Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.253)

What does "control system" report for your OS ?

"Windows Edition

Win 10 Pro

System Type: 32-bit Operating System
"


Windows 10 Home
64-bit Operating System, x64-based processor

Those examples are from a special "frozen" VM.

  #132  
Old January 10th 19, 04:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stephen Wolstenholme[_6_]
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Posts: 275
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:38:57 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:12:04 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:02:14 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 10/01/2019 11:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?

So it would fit in my wallet.

Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.

I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?

Hmmm!

This you, Steve?

*******
Cheshire
SK8 5HZ
England

One could assume that you are also British - but you may NOT be! ;-)


Yes, that's me but I still haven't got a wallet! Wallets are too easy
to lose or get stolen.


I don't usually carry one. I normally only have one monetary item with me, a debit card. I just slip that in my pocket. I only use a wallet for cash.


We differ. I don't carry any cards or cash. I leave all money spending
up to my wife! She may have a wallet somewhere in her bottomless
handbag.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

  #133  
Old January 10th 19, 05:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:56:17 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:38:57 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:12:04 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:02:14 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 10/01/2019 11:10, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:16:07 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)

8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?

So it would fit in my wallet.

Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.

I haven't got a wallet. What nationality am I?

Hmmm!

This you, Steve?

*******
Cheshire
SK8 5HZ
England

One could assume that you are also British - but you may NOT be! ;-)

Yes, that's me but I still haven't got a wallet! Wallets are too easy
to lose or get stolen.


I don't usually carry one. I normally only have one monetary item with me, a debit card. I just slip that in my pocket. I only use a wallet for cash.


We differ. I don't carry any cards or cash. I leave all money spending
up to my wife! She may have a wallet somewhere in her bottomless
handbag.


ROFL! I know people like you. One of them refers to his wife as "the purse". Mind you, she has complete control over every decision of anything that costs money. All he does is earn it.
  #134  
Old January 10th 19, 05:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default 10 Sucks !

Commander Kinsey wrote:


Not sure how this will help as it's updated itself many times since I
downloaded Edge, so the numbers given now will be higher.

What does "winver.exe" report for your OS ?

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.125)


Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.253)

What does "control system" report for your OS ?

"Windows Edition

Win 10 Pro

System Type: 32-bit Operating System
"


Windows 10 Home
64-bit Operating System, x64-based processor


Well Home shouldn't do that, and MSEdge should be there.

Paul
  #135  
Old January 10th 19, 05:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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Posts: 1,279
Default 10 Sucks !

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 16:29:06 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:


Not sure how this will help as it's updated itself many times since I
downloaded Edge, so the numbers given now will be higher.

What does "winver.exe" report for your OS ?

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.125)


Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.253)

What does "control system" report for your OS ?

"Windows Edition

Win 10 Pro

System Type: 32-bit Operating System
"


Windows 10 Home
64-bit Operating System, x64-based processor


Well Home shouldn't do that, and MSEdge should be there.


Maybe things were different when I upgraded. They do keep on changing stuff. Or maybe Edge WAS there, and I loaded IE as it was the only browser I saw on the start menu, then it decided to update Edge?

Pretty daft of them to include the defunct IE when Edge is there aswell. I assumed it was some legal **** - for some reason the courts have got involved in something as petty as what the default browser is. Who cares? As long as I'm allowed to install another browser, I don't mind what the default is. It's handy to have something there along with the OS to allow me to download another one!
 




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