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Please stop calling them apps!
On 16/05/2019 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:19:15 +0100, hah wrote: On 5/16/19 9:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: [snip] Well it's not used that way now.Â* If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to the electric chair. "Gas kills best." -- this message brought to you by your gas company :-) I liked gas when it was used in the dentist instead of those ****ing needles! This entire thread is nonsense fueled by a self appointed pedant with limited knowledge of the English language. Oxford English Dictionary: app noun Computing An application, especially as downloaded by a user to a mobile device. ‘I've just installed the app on my phone’ If you are so concerned with precise terminology in computing one assumes you never refer to your personal computer as a PC, nor your portable personal computer (which rarely sits on anyone's lap) as a laptop, nor your magnetic disk drive as a HDD, and so on. |
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In article , Carlos E. R.
wrote: I haven't read all the replies to see if anyone else thinks the same but I think you can think Steve Jobs for unleashing the word 'Apps' on the world. (FWIW I agree with you.) false. both the term application and its shortened version app existed long before apple. I never heard it before smartphones. I don't have any apple, so I don't know if it was used there. it goes back to before apple even existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_software |
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote: the rest of the world prefers app. I think of an "app" as something you never had control of (not even control of that installation), and using it is like having a part of your brain in someone else's server room. then your thoughts are not in touch with reality. app is short for application, another word for program or software. they are used interchangeably. a program is what's shown on tv, or what's handed out at the theatre. Those are programs too. yep. languages evolve. ^^this^^ |
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote: "I REALLY don't want an iPhone" - the first thing I thought when seeing the desktop of Windows 8 iphones don't look like windows 8. what does look like windows 8 was windows phone, which was actually quite good for a mobile system. the problem is that it didn't work so well for a desktop system. |
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In article , Carlos E. R.
wrote: both the term application and its shortened version app existed long before apple. I never heard it before smartphones. I don't have any apple, so I don't know if it was used there. It definitely was used before smartphones. I first encountered it in the early 1980s in the context of the term "killer app". I can not say for sure about the term's use before Apple, but it sounds reasonable. Note that the term I encountered was "killer app", and it was instantly understandable. (Only later did I encounter "app" on its own.) I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower. that's the point. the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few people had computers then. |
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On 16/05/2019 22.01, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E. R. wrote: I haven't read all the replies to see if anyone else thinks the same but I think you can think Steve Jobs for unleashing the word 'Apps' on the world. (FWIW I agree with you.) false. both the term application and its shortened version app existed long before apple. I never heard it before smartphones. I don't have any apple, so I don't know if it was used there. it goes back to before apple even existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_software «In recent years, the shortened term "app" (coined in 1981 or earlier[6]) has become popular to refer to applications for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets, the shortened form matching their typically smaller scope compared to applications on PCs. Even more recently, the shortened version is used for desktop application software as well.» So the term "app" is old but was not popular till recently on smartphones. So we are both right. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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So why isn't it done with every word?
On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:42:03 +0100, Ant wrote: Humans are lazy! In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey wrote: I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"? |
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:35:21 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 20.29, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:19:15 +0100, hah wrote: On 5/16/19 9:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: [snip] Well it's not used that way now. If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to the electric chair. "Gas kills best." -- this message brought to you by your gas company :-) I liked gas when it was used in the dentist instead of those ****ing needles! They don't use gas here. I have never seen it. Only recently heard a commercial on the radio of a site that might be using it because of what they described. Or maybe it is a strong sedative in advance. Here dentists use a touch anaesthetic before driving in the needle, so we don't feel it. I'm 43 in the UK. I got gas when I was a kid, knocked me unconscious in seconds, next thing I knew the work was complete with no pain. But apparently it killed a few weak people so they stopped it and ruined it for the rest of us. Nowadays they use a needle in the gum, it hurts! In America they use some weird psychadelic ****, see Youtube for videos of loads of kids off their ****ing skulls on it. |
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:47:37 +0100, MikeS wrote:
On 16/05/2019 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:19:15 +0100, hah wrote: On 5/16/19 9:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: [snip] Well it's not used that way now. If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to the electric chair. "Gas kills best." -- this message brought to you by your gas company :-) I liked gas when it was used in the dentist instead of those ****ing needles! This entire thread is nonsense fueled by a self appointed pedant with limited knowledge of the English language. Oxford English Dictionary: app noun Computing An application, especially as downloaded by a user to a mobile device. ‘I've just installed the app on my phone’ No, the word is "application". "App" is a shortened form which makes you sound like a 6 year old. Do you go into your gar to weed the flow beds? Are you really so monumentally lazy as to not bother with more than one syllable? If you are so concerned with precise terminology in computing one assumes you never refer to your personal computer as a PC, nor your portable personal computer (which rarely sits on anyone's lap) as a laptop, nor your magnetic disk drive as a HDD, and so on. I call it a "hard disk" because that's what it is. |
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This foulmouthed troll is whining about word usage that we have no
control whatsoever over, and here it suggests someone else is not "an adult". Can you say "attention whore"... -- "Commander Kinsey" CFKinsey military.org.jp wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.alt.net From: "Commander Kinsey" CFKinsey military.org.jp Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.english.usage,free.spam Subject: Please stop calling them apps! Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 15:21:39 +0100 Organization: X Lines: 15 Message-ID: op.z1vzidp6wdg98l desktop-ga2mpl8.lan References: op.z1uiegjbwdg98l desktop-ga2mpl8.lan qbj51o$np7$2 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190516-2, 16/05/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org alt.comp.os.windows-10:94484 alt.english.usage:59268 free.spam:12225 On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:55:36 +0100, John Doe always.look message.header wrote: If you are a sick **** from Canada, you can take it to your courts... https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/01...rans-hormones/ "On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada ordered that a 14-year-old girl receive testosterone injections without parental consent. THE COURT also DECLARED THAT IF EITHER OF HER PARENTS referred to her using female pronouns or ADDRESSED HER BY HER BIRTH NAME, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED GUILTY OF FAMILY VIOLENCE." I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"? Did you write something? I'm not scrolling to the top to check, respond underneath like an adult. |
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:29:13 +0100, John Doe wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:55:36 +0100, John Doe always.look message.header wrote: If you are a sick **** from Canada, you can take it to your courts... https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/01...rans-hormones/ "On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada ordered that a 14-year-old girl receive testosterone injections without parental consent. THE COURT also DECLARED THAT IF EITHER OF HER PARENTS referred to her using female pronouns or ADDRESSED HER BY HER BIRTH NAME, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED GUILTY OF FAMILY VIOLENCE." I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"? Did you write something? I'm not scrolling to the top to check, respond underneath like an adult. Where is your response? Reply under the quoted text. |
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On 5/16/19 12:10 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[snip] I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code and one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child". Probably a programmer with a sense of humour. Or who actually wanted to execute (run) a child program. [snip] |
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On 5/16/19 12:10 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[snip] I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code and one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child". Probably a programmer with a sense of humour. As I remember the program (a simple database) would execute (run) a child program at that point. The DOS function to run a child program would try to allocate RAM from it, and failure would lead to that error message. [snip] "Abort" is another word where the meaning gets mixed up. I remember hearing about a student using a computer. She got upset when she made a mistake and the computer message was something like "System responding too slowly, Do you want to about?". Abort always means stop or give up.* How could she be upset?* Or was she pregnant at the time? I'm not sure, but she did have a limited idea of what that word meant and felt offended. IIRC, one of the first times I heard that word in a non-pregnancy context was during the Apollo 11 mission when they ward talking about the possibility of aborting the lunar landing. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Freedom begins between the ears." |
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On 5/15/19 4:06 PM, Apd wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote: I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"? When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer "program". I adore my 7000+ line Perl programs being called "scripts". They are "programs". I do not think Kinsey is going to win this one, even though he has a point. And more than I am going to win the one about the name of their browser being called "google". |
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 15:20:16 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2019 07:01:11 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:30:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:06:47 +0100, Apd wrote: "Commander Kinsey" wrote: I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"? When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer "program". I also laugh at "execute" the program. It sounds like you want it killed. And an "executive" in a business should be the one that chops off people's heads when they misbehave. "executing" a program dates back to before you were born and has a very good reason for it's usage. In those early days one loaded a program into the computer and it sat there, fat and happy, doing absolutely nothing. Then when you had the courage to try it, you issued the command "execute", whereupon it leaped into life (or death) and did whatever you had actually asked it to do (not necassarily what you had though you had asked it to do). The term has a naval background. In the days of ail the officer in charge of the deck would issue a command e.g. 'Prepare to luff", where upon members of the crew would leap to various ropes, lines, sheets and haliards, getting ready to do whatever had to be done. At the appropriate moment (maybe in the midst of a close tacking duel) the officer would issue the command 'Execute!' whereupon sheaves would whir, ropes would run, and yards and booms would swing round to their new position. If you go to the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary you will find the word 'execute' has various threads of meaning all dataing from Middle English and having something to do with the performance of something or other. Well it's not used that way now. If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to the electric chair. What you are really saying is that that is the only meaning for the word 'execute' of which you are aware. From my previous experience with you, I expect you will continue to deny that the word has any other meaning. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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