No Linux-based OS can do this.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:11:54 -0700, T wrote:

On 30/8/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

No Linux-based OS can do:

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG


Hi Jeff,

Holy poop!

I have had multi buttons on my mice before. Drives me insane.
I can't remember what does what from day to day. Two
buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me.

And I have never need anything else, which is probably why
I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do.

I have a single button Apple 'pod' mouse.
How can I use that?

-T

In article , Lucifer
wrote:

I have a single button Apple 'pod' mouse.
How can I use that?

it has more than one button.

On 08/31/2019 12:58 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ?

Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by
binding commands to keys and buttons.
For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24
different commands can be run.

I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple
picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need
the key modifier.

And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it.

Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set
the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs
or messages in different programs?

Doesn't seem possible, at least not with the older Compiz that I have.
There are other Compiz plugins that will identify open windows by XID,
title, class... but I don't know if that information can be sent to
Commands.

On 8/31/19 10:37 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/31/2019 12:58 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote:
So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux
where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like
launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ?

Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by
binding commands to keys and buttons.
For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24
different commands can be run.

I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple
picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need
the key modifier.

And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it.

Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set
the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs
or messages in different programs?

Doesn't seem possible, at least not with the older Compiz that I have.
There are other Compiz plugins that will identify open windows by XID,
title, class... but I don't know if that information can be sent to
Commands.

I would not expect it to be a default option... but I am surprised Linux
does not have some program to allow this. I know on my competing system
it works very well for me.

https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY

Looked on Linux and found nothing... and have not looked much on Windows.


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In article , wrote:

The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users,
is that everything is customizable. There are several ways
you can do multiple things. There is no straitjacket
like you get with Windows and especially with Apple.

there is no straitjacket with windows and certainly not apple, which
has unix under the hood.

not knowing how to do something does not mean it's intentionally
blocked.

I have never tested the primary clipboard with Wayland
(replaces X11) as I do not care for weird old gnome.
But unlike Windows and Apple, I have a choice.

you have choices with windows and apple too.

you may not be aware of what those choices are, but the choices
definitely exist.

in this case, there are numerous multi-clipboard utilities for both
platforms, along with all sorts of other utilities and ways to
customize the system.

On 8/31/19 1:30 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in
each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which
clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on
which term the program uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed
it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task:

https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78

I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me
to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the
same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not
an issue).

AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff.


Hi Snit,

I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to
copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned
to live with out them

Oh! As of Fedora 30 and Xfce 4.14, I have noticed that you
no longer have to keep the source program of a copy open to
be able to paste somewhere else. That was an annoyance!

Sweet video. Hmmmmm. Weird old MacOS too. For what they
were doing, I'd probably use the primary clipboard as
it would be fewer strokes and I would not have to take my
hand off the mouse. But then again, I have a choice!
As you say, "to each their own" (pasted using the primary
clipboard from your letter).

A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

But I NEVER make typos. Never I say! What ??? Well,
maybe a few. WHAT ???? Okay, more than I like to admit.

My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows". I get
razzed a lot for that one. All funny!

-T

In article , wrote:

I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to
copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned
to live with out them

then you didn't try the better ones.




A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

not only does it type the path without typos, but it also escapes
spaces and other characters.

T wrote:
A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window, however I
find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell...

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On 2019-08-31 5:21 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote:
T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard
when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the
program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do
with
a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then
copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste
the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even
copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much
different).

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see
what
you are saying.

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases —
but
would not want to give up my middle click for it.

A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit.

Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example.


Hi Snit,

You are welcome!

The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users,
is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways
you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket
like you get with Windows and especially with Apple.

Only closet Communists like Apple. If they go out of their way to show
that they have the Apple logo on something, they would just as easily go
out of their way to show how they tattooed a hammer and sickle on
themselves or sowed it onto their clothing.

On 8/31/19 2:34 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 1:30 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in
each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which
clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on
which term the program uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed
it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task:

https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78

I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me
to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the
same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not
an issue).

AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff.


Hi Snit,

I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to
copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned
to live with out them

The one I use allow me to copy images -- and even shows me a preview.

Oh!Â* As of Fedora 30 and Xfce 4.14, I have noticed that you
no longer have to keep the source program of a copy open to
be able to paste somewhere else.Â*Â* That was an annoyance!

I have not tested in a while, but default Mint used to lose the
clipboard for SOME programs. There were alternate clipboard managers
which resolved that though.

Sweet video. Hmmmmm.Â* Weird old MacOS too.Â* For what they
were doing, I'd probably use the primary clipboard as
it would be fewer strokes and I would not have to take my
hand off the mouse.Â* But then again, I have a choice!
As you say, "to each their own" (pasted using the primary
clipboard from your letter).

Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can
learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows
snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when I
was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple FAR
too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I never
did. Or never stayed with them if I did.

I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in
allowing me to move around multiple windows at once to a pre-set position.

A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

Yup. That is my main way of "typing" paths.

But I NEVER make typos.Â* Never I say!Â* What ???Â* Well,
maybe a few.Â* WHAT ????Â* Okay, more than I like to admit.

FAR more than I like to admit. For me. Not you. I have no idea how many
you make.

My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows".Â* I get
razzed a lot for that one.Â* All funny!

-T

I blame things on autocarrot.


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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/31/19 2:21 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote:
T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard
when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the
program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do
with
a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then
copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste
the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even
copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much
different).

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see
what
you are saying.

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases —
but
would not want to give up my middle click for it.

A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit.

Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example.


Hi Snit,

You are welcome!

The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users,
is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways
you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket
like you get with Windows and especially with Apple.

Each offers different choices. For example with macOS I get the choice
to have the same hotkeys for pretty much any program, and the same
common terms (Exit vs. Quit, for example, or Settings vs. Options).
There are SOME exceptions but they are rare. I get the option to move
files and rename them and still have them show up in "Open Recent"
screens and otherwise not have references to them break (again, in most
programs). I get the option to have an eight button mouse with "Next"
and "Previous" buttons move from tab to tab in my web browser and my
word processor, but move to the appropriate message in my email and
Usenet clients. I get the option to save color swatches, or palettes, or
font groups, in one program and have access to them in most other
programs (a big benefit when working on materials for the same client in
multiple programs). I get all sorts of options which do not exist
elsewhere, or are done less well.

But Linux also gives me options macOS does not. When my hard drive died
on my older iMac I *could* have spent money to replace the drive. I did
not. Linux gave me the option to easily use an external drive and use
the machine as my media machine for some time. It was not ideal (the
external drive was small and slow -- a USB thumb drive in fact) but it
worked. Linux gave me the option to set up labs at schools with donated
hardware and have the machines be largely consistent and usable. This
was amazingly valuable for my students and the staff. I was able to set
up a cheap bell system on another system -- with that and a few bucks of
wiring I had a better bell system than the $2000 one the company redoing
the PA system was asking for.

Each has its pros and cons... and I am happy to have choice.

I have never tested the primary clipboard with Wayland
(replaces X11) as I do not care for weird old gnome.
But unlike Windows and Apple, I have a choice.

On macOS I have plenty of choice... some choices which Linux lacks,
other choices where Linux offers things macOS does not.

I prefer Xfce as its is minimal and gets out of your way.

That is what I used on my media computer (on Mint).

If I want a "multimedia experience", I will start a
multimedia program.Â* And when I am tired of it, I will
exit the program.Â* Don't pop crap up at me whilst I am working!

Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on
macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just eye
candy).

I do not care for GUI's that think they are your playground:
MacOS, gnome, and to an extent, Windows Nein (w10) for
example.Â* But then again, with Linux, "I have a choice".

Geez, look at all of Fedora's spins (gnome is stock):
Â*Â*Â* https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

I prefer to install from the Live Spins, as they drop off
a lot of the crap, such a gnome.Â* Then install what I
want afterwards.Â* I especially like doing this with server
installs as I only want those server products I need,
NOT ALL OF THEM.

I will get off my soap box now.

Fair enough. And for severs I would absolutely agree Linux is often a
great choice.


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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/31/19 3:40 PM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-08-31 5:21 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote:
T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard
when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the
program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do
with
a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then
copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste
the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even
copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much
different).

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see
what
you are saying.

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases —
but
would not want to give up my middle click for it.

A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit.

Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example.


Hi Snit,

You are welcome!

The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users,
is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways
you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket
like you get with Windows and especially with Apple.

Only closet Communists like Apple. If they go out of their way to show
that they have the Apple logo on something, they would just as easily go
out of their way to show how they tattooed a hammer and sickle on
themselves or sowed it onto their clothing.


I have heard that said about Linux too. Neither are true.

On 8/31/19 4:57 PM, Snit wrote:
IfÂ*IÂ*wantÂ*aÂ*"multimediaÂ*experience",Â*IÂ*will Â*startÂ*a
multimediaÂ*program.Â*Â*AndÂ*whenÂ*IÂ*amÂ*tiredÂ*o fÂ*it,Â*IÂ*will
exitÂ*theÂ*program.Â*Â*Don'tÂ*popÂ*crapÂ*upÂ*atÂ*m eÂ*whilstÂ*IÂ*amÂ*working!

Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on
macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just eye
candy).

I don't want anything interrupting me when I am working, such
as the pretty picture of the day or the weather report or
some gosh awful Windows store crappy app/suggestion of the day.

A lot of people love MacOS. Hardly anything goes wrong. Most,
I have to show how to reboot and shutdown their machines and
most annoyingly, how to terminate an program.

I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Windows.

On 8/31/19 3:13 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
T wrote:
A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window,

Very cool.

however I
find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell...


Oh my gosh, bash kicks its ass all over the place! Batch
programming is a nightmare.

On 8/31/19 3:58 PM, Snit wrote:
Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can
learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows
snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when I
was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple FAR
too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I never
did.Â*OrÂ*neverÂ*stayedÂ*withÂ*themÂ*ifÂ*IÂ*did.

I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in
allowingÂ*meÂ*toÂ*moveÂ*aroundÂ*multipleÂ*windows *atÂ*onceÂ*toÂ*aÂ*pre-setÂ*position.

1+

My next comment is going to rile Windows fanbois.
Linux is just damned fun to work on.