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Comparison of Anti-Virus software
On 2020-05-10 03:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ And David should note that ClamXAV gets top grades in all categories. André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service. |
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Comparison of Anti-Virus software
On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
(in article ): On 2020-05-10 03:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ And David should note that ClamXAV gets top grades in all categories. André Anything which contradicts his insane worldview and which manages to register on his one working neuron as being contradictory to said worldview is dismissed as ‘lies’. He has posted that he is on a Mission From God on this matter. Presenting evidence which would point to the innocence of his targets merely adds the presenter to the list of his targets. I know. I was foolish enough to actually post in support of ClamXAV in reply to one of his troll posts, some time ago. He then attempted to stalk me, as I was obviously (to him) a shill for the evil malware-infested, rootkit=installing, attack app ClamXAV, and, later, for EtreCheck. EtreCheck and its dev were added to the target list because it _obviously_ (to him) could generate a list of all apps, including malware, on a Mac and would _obviously_ (to him) phone home with that list, so the dev would _obviously_ (to him) have a list of all the malware installed by ClamXAV... and wouldn’t share it with David “Drunken Troll-boy” Brooks. This, of course, made the dev an Enemy of the People, to be hunted down and destroyed just as the dev of ClamXAV was to be hunted down and destroyed and just as anyone who helped them should be hunted down and destroyed. He went so far as to issue a ‘Formal Warning’ to me, and contacted my newsfeed, Supernews, in an effort to dox me and to satop me from posting my ‘lies’ about him and his Mission From God. It’s been over a year. You’ll notice that I’m still posting using Supernews. In my opinion, David Brooks has been severely brain-damaged by decades of alcohol abuse. He is psychotic, with probable paranoia, including classic delusions of grandeur. And he won’t stop; he has been thrown out of several online fora for his idiocy; he was banned from Apple’s ASC, reinstated, then banned again, because of his trolling, his stalking, and his attacks on the devs of ClamXAV and EtreCheck, and on moderators. (Yes, moderators. It takes a special kind of stupid to attack moderators in their own forum...) You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server wasn’t a toy, and EtreCheck is often suggested by various posters, usually very senior ones, on ASC as a tool to uncover problems with Macs. He objected. Such behaviour was Against His Mission From God. |
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On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote:
You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server wasn’t a toy The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other versions as well. André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service. |
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Mike Easter wrote:
Let us not confuse the 'roles' and dev and 'ownership' of ClamAV, now owned by Cisco but still open and responsible for identification roles primarily as a mail server filtering tool with/vs that of ClamXAV which took the open source clamav engine and database and put a Mac GUI face on it to (try to) market to Mac OS desktop users. It has been a long time since clamav was compared to other engines at such as avcomparatives. This page at avcomparatives says they tested it in 2020 (the other years are empty) and/but that results aren't yet available. https://www.av-comparatives.org/prod...lam-antivirus/ The wp article indicates that clamav has a role, and that several developers have applied its engine to roles for Macs, including the clamxav which I believe is less popular as payware than it was as freeware. Mcafee came with the pc! |
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On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
(in article ): On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote: You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server wasn’t a toy The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other versions as well. André it’s been so long that I can’t recall and I no longer have anything that runs non-toy OS X Server. |
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On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. Who do you imagine buys an AV product wich is not amongst the leaders in the field.? |
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On 10/05/2020 14:51, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote: You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server wasn’t a toy The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other versions as well. Thank you for your honesty, André. I have no qualms whatsoever with Clamav itself. |
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On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round. André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service. |
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On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
(in article ): On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round. André he’s an idiot. |
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On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round. My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André Please provide THE top-ten listing for review. |
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On Sun, 10 May 2020 15:10:36 +0100, David_B
wrote: On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) Who do you imagine buys an AV product wich is not amongst the leaders in the field.? YOU bought one. I can provide the MSG_IDs where you claim you ripped off the developer by claiming to be a "student". You still bought it though. Unless the claim was yet another *LIE*. As to "why" only YOU can explain. You also obtained an illegal crack on this very group so you could use it once it had expired. MSG_IDs available too. Maybe you were on a binge? Maybe you're on a binge now, which explains why you can't remember? Whatever.... you never change. ------------------------------------- BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to hide". I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request, rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!": https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php 65 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes! Google "David Brooks Devon" []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Comparison of Anti-Virus software
On 10/05/2020 10:16, Paul wrote:
David_B wrote: I once again thank you for your thoughts. I'd not considered visiting Britannica for detailed technical information but found nothing about antimalware product selection. For general information, though, I will now visit on a regular basis. :-) There's an interesting video here, but it's dificult to always understand the speakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9QKJYcq5A How would YOU determine whether or not ClamXav was installing a rootkit on an Apple computer? The essence of rootkits, it they're root, and they can do anything they want. As an example, years ago in a Mac forum, someone wrote in that filenames that began with the letter "f" had all disappeared from the system. And this was some sort of file system filter that had been installed, to hide the miscreant. The owner of the machine noticed something weird was going on, which gave away the game to an extent. That is just to illustrate, that properly done, rootkits make stuff like this... useless. You'll notice that one of these has a .kext in it, which hints that it's more than just a casual application or App and is going to be "entering the arena" on the next reboot. https://www.switchingtomac.com/tutor...-for-rootkits/ It takes a thief to catch a thief. When Mark Russinovich made RootKitRevealer for Windows, there was a discussion thread, where some members of the hacker community popped by to laugh at Mark for making such a thing, and poking fun at how they'd tip it over and so on. Whether bravado or not, I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for things like this to always work when you need them. If I was making a rootkit (and rootkits aren't that prevalent from a percentage perspective), I would be *testing* with these things before deployment. And testing with Cloud Upload disabled, so "samples" of my handiwork could not go anywhere. The offense always has the advantage on this stuff. Microsoft is afraid enough of malware, to have tumblers installed on ths OS, that if triggered, shut down the OS in microseconds. This covers cases where Windows Defender discovers it's been outfoxed and if the choice is between a malware finishing an install or not, they'll just shut it down "dirty-style" to stop it. I've not seen any reports in the wild of this happening, so maybe it's all bull****. Rather than Task Manager sitting there with that "do you want to save your work" crap, the machine is just dropped like a rock. As effective as THERMTRIP#. And all that means in practice, is a person developing something to attack the computer, has to put up with the computer "dropping" on them, while they're testing. Until they/ve figured it out. ** Paul "Until they've figured it out"! I *do* so like that comment. :-) As always, I value your comments. I'd read the article you mentioned when it was first issued - *AND* I used all procedures mentioned therein to test my old iMac (Except ESET - my OS was too new for it). I was only satisfied that I was 'clean' when I bought a replacement machine - not just a replacement hard drive. Although I have 'tested' many Mac AV softwares, I will never install ClamXav on this machine 'just in case'! |
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On 10/05/2020 16:23, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 09:01, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote: On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round. My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André Please provide THE top-ten listing for review. They don't provide a top ten. It should be pretty obvious, though, that that list isn't a top ten since it includes two products (BitMedic and TuxGuard) they refused to certify given that they scored 0/6 on their ability to actually detect viruses. OK, André, I'll accept your word on this. Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer? At present, I have none installed. |
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On 2020-05-10 09:34, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 16:23, André G. Isaak wrote: On 2020-05-10 09:01, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote: On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote: On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote: Another website which compares: https://www.av-test.org/en/ https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/ The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of virtually all internationally relevant IT security products. Thank you so much, Michael. :-) I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within the top ten. You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round. My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André Please provide THE top-ten listing for review. They don't provide a top ten. It should be pretty obvious, though, that that list isn't a top ten since it includes two products (BitMedic and TuxGuard) they refused to certify given that they scored 0/6 on their ability to actually detect viruses. OK, André, I'll accept your word on this. You don't have to accept my word. You can simply look at their list and actually read the text above it. Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer? Why the accusatory capital YOUR? Currently none. Why is that of any relevance? André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service. |
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On Sun, 10 May 2020 09:39:36 -0600, Andr G. Isaak
wrote: OK, Andr, I'll accept your word on this. You don't have to accept my word. You can simply look at their list and actually read the text above it. He has serious trouble with actually reading stuff from spurious links he posts. So far he's managed to copy and paste a few paragraphs. He then goes on a stalking bender completely unrelated to the text. Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer? Why the accusatory capital YOUR? It's what he does. Attacks people that don't agree with him. He'll be asking for your personal details next. Currently none. Why is that of any relevance? Don't lose any sleep over it, it never is. HTH FWIW, I haven't used a resident AV for ages.... and I'm on XP. Safe hex is the way to go with any OS. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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