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Old July 15th 20, 12:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Not for your average tire kicker

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73721...ore/index.html

Rene
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Old July 15th 20, 12:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/14/20 7:25 PM, this is what Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Not for your average tire kicker

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73721...ore/index.html

Rene

Ah heck, that's a weeks paycheck, $3350. I'll buy 2.

Yeh, right!!!

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Old July 15th 20, 01:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Not for your average tire kicker

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73721...ore/index.html


Rene


Somebody must buy these things. Bill Gates ?

Paging Bill Gates.

Paul
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Old July 15th 20, 01:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

Rene Lamontagne wrote:


Not for your average tire kicker

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73721...ore/index.html


Somebody must buy these things. Bill Gates ?

Paging Bill Gates.


I think AMD is more hype than performance.
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Old July 15th 20, 01:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?

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Old July 15th 20, 02:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2020-07-14 7:50 p.m., John Doe wrote:
"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.

Rene

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Old July 15th 20, 03:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-14 7:50 p.m., John Doe wrote:
"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.

Rene


You could run the 7ZIP benchmark on your own system,
then compare to the numbers here.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryz...ion-benchmark/

The chart here, about 60% down the page, shows 7ZIP
on some lesser (=affordable) processors.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...iew-benchmarks

Notice that the top items in the Gamersnexus list, aren't doing
better because they've run out of memory bandwidth.
The 7ZIP bench is a cache-buster, so the cache isn't
helping particularly. And 7ZIP has always been
dependent on the speed of the memory. These expensive
processors could likely use 2x to 3x more memory buses.
Which would have a severe impact on the size of the
CPU socket.

When you're buying a machine like this, if you expect to
do 7ZIP on it, you have to buy 128GB of RAM at a minimum,
so there's room for all the compression dictionaries.
You would not want the embarrassment of getting an
"insufficient memory" message while driving your
Monster Truck.

Paul
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Old July 15th 20, 03:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2020-07-14 9:38 p.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-14 7:50 p.m., John Doe wrote:
"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.

Rene


You could run the 7ZIP benchmark on your own system,
then compare to the numbers here.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryz...ion-benchmark/


The chart here, about 60% down the page, shows 7ZIP
on some lesser (=affordable) processors.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...iew-benchmarks


Notice that the top items in the Gamersnexus list, aren't doing
better because they've run out of memory bandwidth.
The 7ZIP bench is a cache-buster, so the cache isn't
helping particularly. And 7ZIP has always been
dependent on the speed of the memory. These expensive
processors could likely use 2x to 3x more memory buses.
Which would have a severe impact on the size of the
CPU socket.

When you're buying a machine like this, if you expect to
do 7ZIP on it, you have to buy 128GB of RAM at a minimum,
so there's room for all the compression dictionaries.
You would not want the embarrassment of getting an
"insufficient memory" message while driving your
Monster Truck.

Â*Â* Paul



And here are a plethora of comparisons for different classes of CPUs
using the Passmark benching tools.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Rene



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Old July 15th 20, 07:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2020-07-14 16:58, Big Al wrote:
On 7/14/20 7:25 PM, this is what Rene Lamontagne wrote:


$3350! ¡Ay, caramba!

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Old July 15th 20, 08:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:
On 2020-07-14 16:58, Big Al wrote:
On 7/14/20 7:25 PM, this is what Rene Lamontagne wrote:


$3350! ¡Ay, caramba!


Apparently, it's OEM only. Lenovo.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15910...-for-oems-only

That makes it kinda unobtanium.

No Crysis for you.

It means the processor won't be on Newegg.

It also means there won't be CPU overclocking to be had,
or running the memory modules at over-the-top speeds.

Boo, and or, hiss.

Paul
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Old July 15th 20, 03:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default What will they think of next!

On 2020-07-14 9:38 p.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-14 7:50 p.m., John Doe wrote:
"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.

Rene


You could run the 7ZIP benchmark on your own system,
then compare to the numbers here.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryz...ion-benchmark/


The chart here, about 60% down the page, shows 7ZIP
on some lesser (=affordable) processors.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...iew-benchmarks


Notice that the top items in the Gamersnexus list, aren't doing
better because they've run out of memory bandwidth.
The 7ZIP bench is a cache-buster, so the cache isn't
helping particularly. And 7ZIP has always been
dependent on the speed of the memory. These expensive
processors could likely use 2x to 3x more memory buses.
Which would have a severe impact on the size of the
CPU socket.

When you're buying a machine like this, if you expect to
do 7ZIP on it, you have to buy 128GB of RAM at a minimum,
so there's room for all the compression dictionaries.
You would not want the embarrassment of getting an
"insufficient memory" message while driving your
Monster Truck.

Â*Â* Paul


So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.
OH dear, what I said (hides behind couch).

Rene

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Old July 15th 20, 04:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.


you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD¹s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel¹s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.*
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Old July 15th 20, 04:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:

John Doe wrote:


"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.


"But mom! It's got a Wraith Prism LED Cooler!"

Then hold your breath until you turn blue.
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Old July 15th 20, 04:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2020-07-15 10:01 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.


you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD¹s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel¹s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

Rene

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Old July 15th 20, 04:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2020-07-15 10:06 a.m., John Doe wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

John Doe wrote:


"AMD Ryzen...processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler"

Can their mom afford it?


Take a look at some good honest comparison benchmarks, they seem to be
holding up their end pretty well.

Oh, and a 64 core CPU is not exactly just hype.


"But mom! It's got a Wraith Prism LED Cooler!"

Then hold your breath until you turn blue.


I have one of them on one machine, cooling an AMD 5 3400G CPU, Never see
the LEDS in my Coolermaster case, But it cools great, nearly the same
temps as my other machine running an Intel i7 8700 CPU with a
Coolermaster 212 EVO in the identical case.

Rene

 




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