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Dual Boot Question
I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load
Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? |
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Why install a second copy of XP? Installing a second copy would require
another license and I don't know if there would be any problems with the activation of it. Why not just leave the current install on C:\, load your video apps on C:\, and then load your business apps on D:\. Most install programs will let you choose the location at which they'll be installed. As an aside, it appears that you've got a C and a D partition on one physical hard drive. If so, you probably won't notice the difference in speed. Also, with the XP on C, your speed will be better than if your XP was on D. As for the Win98 question - you can dual boot to 98, it's just a bit more difficult if you don't install it first. The reason for this is that 98 can't see XP and make adjustments for it, while XP can see 98 and can make the needed adjustments. Here's a link to the dual boot thingie: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q217210 The part that you're looking for is about 1/2 the way down, buried in some gobbledygook. Here's what it says: How to Install Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me in a Windows XP, Windows 2000, and MS-DOS, or a Windows NT and MS-DOS Multiple-Boot Configuration "Ken Roberts" wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? |
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Oops! Forgot the link to editing the boot.ini file (so you can change the
boot menu from reading MS-DOS to Windows 98. Here's the link: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;289022 "usasma" wrote: Why install a second copy of XP? Installing a second copy would require another license and I don't know if there would be any problems with the activation of it. Why not just leave the current install on C:\, load your video apps on C:\, and then load your business apps on D:\. Most install programs will let you choose the location at which they'll be installed. As an aside, it appears that you've got a C and a D partition on one physical hard drive. If so, you probably won't notice the difference in speed. Also, with the XP on C, your speed will be better than if your XP was on D. As for the Win98 question - you can dual boot to 98, it's just a bit more difficult if you don't install it first. The reason for this is that 98 can't see XP and make adjustments for it, while XP can see 98 and can make the needed adjustments. Here's a link to the dual boot thingie: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q217210 The part that you're looking for is about 1/2 the way down, buried in some gobbledygook. Here's what it says: How to Install Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me in a Windows XP, Windows 2000, and MS-DOS, or a Windows NT and MS-DOS Multiple-Boot Configuration "Ken Roberts" wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? |
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I have never noticed one partition to be any faster than
another partition when multiple operating systems are installed. Visit www.pcpitstop.com and run the test. How do I install Windows 98/Me after I've installed XP? http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ken Roberts" wrote: | I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load | Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. | | However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of | the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it | is formatted with FAT32. | | Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have | read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point | is there a way to: | | 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a | screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This | is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the | fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, | etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not | important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). | | 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and | dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or | Win98 on D ?? |
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(My comments are inline)
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:18:23 -0400, Ken Roberts wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. Not exactly. If the both drives are FAT32 ones -- you can install Win98 on D, then WinXP on C. There will be only a few Win98 files (less that 1MB total) in the root of C: drive then. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). If you don't need Win98 -- you can do that with no problems if WinXP is not an OEM version. I can't understand still, why you do need two versions of WinXP (you can put almost any application, including MS Office, wherever you want if to select non-automatic installation; say, you can create manually "Program Files" folder on D: drive, and point to this folder as to the base folder while installation) -- but that is your choice. 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? Win98 retail installation disk does see WinXP loader -- and adds Win98 as the second operating system to Boot.ini as the default system. You can change the default system later. -- Mikhail Zhilin MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) http://www.aha.ru/~mwz Sorry, no technical support by e-mail. Please reply to the newsgroups only. ====== |
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Here is what I have on my main machine.
Partition 1 = Windows XP on 20 gig Partition 2 = Windows 2000 on 10 gig Partition 3 = DOS on 75 meg I installed in this order: Windows XP, Windows 2000, DOS Everything works fine because: 1. All three partitions are "primary" partitions 2. Before installing Windows XP, I used Partition Magic to hide 2 and 3 and to make partition 1 active. Partition 1 thinks it is drive C: 3. Installed Windows XP 4. Booted up with PM. Made partition 2 active. Hide partitions 1 and 3. Partition 2 now thinks that "it" is drive C: 5. Install Windows 2000 6. Boot up with PM. Make partition 3 active. Hide partition 1 and 2. Partition 3 thinks "it" is drive C: 7. Install DOS 8. Install boot loader program in DOS partition 9. Use boot loader program to hide the 2 primary partition that are not being booted into from the operating system that you ARE booting into. Therefore, each operating system you boot into thinks IT is on drive C: and does not even see the other operating system partitions. Yes, the hidden partitions are visible in disk management, and can be deleted from there - so be careful! -- Regards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Quote from: George Ankner "If you knew as much as you thought you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!" Ken Roberts wrote in message ... I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? |
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The plan is funadamentally flawed. 98 MUST be on c:.
"usasma" wrote in message ... Oops! Forgot the link to editing the boot.ini file (so you can change the boot menu from reading MS-DOS to Windows 98. Here's the link: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;289022 "usasma" wrote: Why install a second copy of XP? Installing a second copy would require another license and I don't know if there would be any problems with the activation of it. Why not just leave the current install on C:\, load your video apps on C:\, and then load your business apps on D:\. Most install programs will let you choose the location at which they'll be installed. As an aside, it appears that you've got a C and a D partition on one physical hard drive. If so, you probably won't notice the difference in speed. Also, with the XP on C, your speed will be better than if your XP was on D. As for the Win98 question - you can dual boot to 98, it's just a bit more difficult if you don't install it first. The reason for this is that 98 can't see XP and make adjustments for it, while XP can see 98 and can make the needed adjustments. Here's a link to the dual boot thingie: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q217210 The part that you're looking for is about 1/2 the way down, buried in some gobbledygook. Here's what it says: How to Install Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me in a Windows XP, Windows 2000, and MS-DOS, or a Windows NT and MS-DOS Multiple-Boot Configuration "Ken Roberts" wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? |
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98 MUST be on C:. It is not a flexible option with that OS like with the NT
family. "Mikhail Zhilin" wrote in message ... (My comments are inline) On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:18:23 -0400, Ken Roberts wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. Not exactly. If the both drives are FAT32 ones -- you can install Win98 on D, then WinXP on C. There will be only a few Win98 files (less that 1MB total) in the root of C: drive then. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). If you don't need Win98 -- you can do that with no problems if WinXP is not an OEM version. I can't understand still, why you do need two versions of WinXP (you can put almost any application, including MS Office, wherever you want if to select non-automatic installation; say, you can create manually "Program Files" folder on D: drive, and point to this folder as to the base folder while installation) -- but that is your choice. 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? Win98 retail installation disk does see WinXP loader -- and adds Win98 as the second operating system to Boot.ini as the default system. You can change the default system later. -- Mikhail Zhilin MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) http://www.aha.ru/~mwz Sorry, no technical support by e-mail. Please reply to the newsgroups only. ====== |
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Crap. All MS OSs need their boot files on C. 98 can have windir anywhere =
and anyname same as XP. However because 98 can only read Fat drives most = put it on C as Fat and put XP on D as NTFS. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Manny Borges" wrote in message = ... 98 MUST be on C:. It is not a flexible option with that OS like with = the NT=20 family. =20 =20 "Mikhail Zhilin" wrote in message=20 ... (My comments are inline) On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:18:23 -0400, Ken Roberts wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. Not exactly. If the both drives are FAT32 ones -- you can install = Win98 on D, then WinXP on C. There will be only a few Win98 files (less = that 1MB total) in the root of C: drive then. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and = it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I = have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, = Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). If you don't need Win98 -- you can do that with no problems if WinXP = is not an OEM version. I can't understand still, why you do need two versions of WinXP (you can put almost any application, including MS Office, wherever you want if to select non-automatic installation; = say, you can create manually "Program Files" folder on D: drive, and point = to this folder as to the base folder while installation) -- but that is your choice. 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? Win98 retail installation disk does see WinXP loader -- and adds = Win98 as the second operating system to Boot.ini as the default system. You can change the default system later. -- Mikhail Zhilin MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) http://www.aha.ru/~mwz Sorry, no technical support by e-mail. Please reply to the newsgroups only. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 |
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Sample MSDos.Sys File
[Paths] HostWinBootDrv=3DC WinBootDir=3DC:\WINDOWS WinDir=3DC:\WINDOWS ;Undocumented Uninstalldir=3D [Options] BootDelay=3D1 BootKeys=3D1 BootMenu=3D1 BootMulti=3D1 BootMenuDelay=3D2 BootMenuDefault=3D1 BootGUI=3D1 BootSafe=3D1 BootWarn=3D1 BootWin=3D1 DblSpace=3D1 DrvSpace=3D1 LoadTop=3D1 Logo=3D1 DoubleBuffer=3D1 Network=3D1 ;New in OSR2 Autoscan=3D2 ;Undocumented DisableLog=3D1 SystemReg=3D1 --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "David Candy" . wrote in message = ... Crap. All MS OSs need their boot files on C. 98 can have windir anywhere = and anyname same as XP. However because 98 can only read Fat drives most = put it on C as Fat and put XP on D as NTFS. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Manny Borges" wrote in message = ... 98 MUST be on C:. It is not a flexible option with that OS like with = the NT=20 family. =20 =20 "Mikhail Zhilin" wrote in message=20 ... (My comments are inline) On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:18:23 -0400, Ken Roberts wrote: I know that the generally accepted method for Dual Boot is to load Win98 on C, then WinXP on D. Not exactly. If the both drives are FAT32 ones -- you can install = Win98 on D, then WinXP on C. There will be only a few Win98 files (less = that 1MB total) in the root of C: drive then. However, C is faster than D because it occupies the outer portion of the drive platters. Therefore I have already installed XP on C and = it is formatted with FAT32. Having installed XP first on C drive goes counter to everything I = have read on dual-boot, so it may be too late for this, but at this point is there a way to: 1) install another instance of XP on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or XP on D ?? This is my preferred setup, because I want to put my video apps on C (the fast partition) and run XP there when doing Adobe Photoshop, = Premiere, etc - and then put my Business apps on D where speed is not important (Word, Excel, Outlook, etc). If you don't need Win98 -- you can do that with no problems if WinXP = is not an OEM version. I can't understand still, why you do need two versions of WinXP (you can put almost any application, including MS Office, wherever you want if to select non-automatic installation; = say, you can create manually "Program Files" folder on D: drive, and point = to this folder as to the base folder while installation) -- but that is your choice. 2) if (1) is impossible, can I instead install Win98 on D drive and dual boot to a screen that allows me to boot to either XP on C, or Win98 on D ?? Win98 retail installation disk does see WinXP loader -- and adds = Win98 as the second operating system to Boot.ini as the default system. You can change the default system later. -- Mikhail Zhilin MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) http://www.aha.ru/~mwz Sorry, no technical support by e-mail. Please reply to the newsgroups only. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 |
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"Richard Urban [MVP]" wrote:
Here is what I have on my main machine. Partition 1 = Windows XP on 20 gig Partition 2 = Windows 2000 on 10 gig Partition 3 = DOS on 75 meg I installed in this order: Windows XP, Windows 2000, DOS Everything works fine because: 1. All three partitions are "primary" partitions 2. Before installing Windows XP, I used Partition Magic to hide 2 and 3 and to make partition 1 active. Partition 1 thinks it is drive C: 3. Installed Windows XP 4. Booted up with PM. Made partition 2 active. Hide partitions 1 and 3. Partition 2 now thinks that "it" is drive C: What do you mean by "Booted up with PM?" Why couldn't you just direct the Win2000 installation CD to install Win2000 to partition 2? Why did you have to hide partition 1 and 3? How does a partition "think" if there is no OS on it? *TimDaniels* |
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=?Utf-8?B?dXNhc21h?= writes:
Why install a second copy of XP? Well, for one thing, a person might have two substantially different setups needed to run two different programs. For example, I have two different companies urinating on each other. One refuses to be compatible with Sun Java VM and must have MS Java VM or fails. The other company is exactly the opposite. So I have two copies of XP, one in each partition, each with their own silly configuration satisfied. And I just reboot into the needed partition to be able to get work done. Installing a second copy would require another license and I don't know if there would be any problems with the activation of it. Nope, wrong. Install your XP CD in one partition, activate as usual. Stick the same CD right back in, install XP in the other partition, activate as usual, activation goes right through without any complaint. (This is because ALL the critical items that are checked to confirm that they are the same and this is legal and that you haven't tried to install one copy on multiple different machines are EXACTLY THE SAME, because it is on the SAME machine) Actually I came up with this because very very early in the release of XP there was a Microsoft written document that said "you might find it useful to have more than one installation of XP, if for example you need to have multiple different configurations." I have tried to find that document a couple of times since that time and have not found the right combination of keywords to use. But it gave all the details about how to have multiple installations. If someone can dig up that document again I'd love to see it. |
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"Don Taylor" wrote:
writes: Installing a second copy would require another license and I don't know if there would be any problems with the activation of it. Nope, wrong. Install your XP CD in one partition, activate as usual. Stick the same CD right back in, install XP in the other partition, activate as usual, activation goes right through without any complaint. (This is because ALL the critical items that are checked to confirm that they are the same and this is legal and that you haven't tried to install one copy on multiple different machines are EXACTLY THE SAME, because it is on the SAME machine) I am of the opinion that two installations of WinXP in the same machine under one license is legal, but I don't think it has ever been tested in court. As far as Microsoft is concerned, though, it is a violation of their EULA and therefore by their own self-serving definition "illegal". *TimDaniels* |
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"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ... "Richard Urban [MVP]" wrote: Here is what I have on my main machine. Partition 1 = Windows XP on 20 gig Partition 2 = Windows 2000 on 10 gig Partition 3 = DOS on 75 meg I installed in this order: Windows XP, Windows 2000, DOS Everything works fine because: 1. All three partitions are "primary" partitions 2. Before installing Windows XP, I used Partition Magic to hide 2 and 3 and to make partition 1 active. Partition 1 thinks it is drive C: 3. Installed Windows XP 4. Booted up with PM. Made partition 2 active. Hide partitions 1 and 3. Partition 2 now thinks that "it" is drive C: What do you mean by "Booted up with PM?" Why couldn't you just direct the Win2000 installation CD to install Win2000 to partition 2? Why did you have to hide partition 1 and 3? How does a partition "think" if there is no OS on it? I have WinME and WinXP on one hard drive, with data and video files on a second hard drive. Using Partition Magic, both OS are on "C" drive (HD 1) and each "C" is hidden from each other. During installation of OS you "boot with Partition Magic floppies" and make a partition "active" to install the OS. Afterwards you use a Boot Manager (Boot Magic comes with Partition Magic) to start whichever OS you want to use. So far I have partitions on HD 1 : "C" - WinME "C' - WinXP "E" - Data Partitions on HD 2 : "D" - Data and Back Up "F" - Video files (NTFS) The "C" partitions are hidden from each other in Explorer, helping to avoid accidental file contamination between OS, however Partition Magic can see all the partitions (If you really have to mess with one OS while in another.) |
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