Automated System Recovery run causes boot problems

I've recently started getting these freezes/crashes that force me to
restart, during which I get these messages telling me that there's a problem
communicating with the HDD or the Operating System cannot be found, Boot
from CD; If I persist, it tells me I'm missing essential files like ntldr
or ntoskrnl.exe or similar, always different. Now, I know these files are
there and, through being persistant -rebooting again and again- I finally
get my system up and running again.

I think this may have begun when I rebooted during an Automated System
Recovery Backup run; It had frozen or I might have got impatient and only
thought it had done. Either way, my understanding is that during this
process, the OS copy's the files for the ASR and in prematurely pre-empting
the tidy finish of this process I've left the OS assuming that somehow these
files aren't available, though they are.

I was able to use System Restore to go back, but the next freeze disabused
me of the idea I'd somehow solved the problem.

I next tried restoring the clean Automated System Restore copy I had, but
again the next freeze left me in the same situation.

Has anyone seen this situation before? Got any ideas of what I might do to
correct the problem? I'd appreciate any tips at all; I't may not even be
the unfinished ASR run that caused this, but it's the only thing I can think
of.

I'd also appreciate any advice on what to use to get the ASR files onto a
DVD -my only option- so that I can get access if the system shuts me out
completely, it's pointless having them on the HDD. Acronis True Image? or
something else? It's 8.3 Gb so, with my brand spanking new burner I could
put it on a Double Layer DVD? Do these programs compress the files and if
so, not having access to my drives and the programs themselves, how do you
get the damn thing onto the drive?

I've found not having access to my NTFS drives through DOS a problem; I
don't know enough to get round this or what I might use to use to the
resources on the drive if I have a problem.

Thank you.

Windows XP Pro
IDE HDD & a SATA drive
(oop's, forgot!)


"TrickTrash" guardclone-news-at-yahoo.co.uk wrote in message
...
I've recently started getting these freezes/crashes that force me to
restart, during which I get these messages telling me that there's a
problem communicating with the HDD or the Operating System cannot be
found, Boot from CD; If I persist, it tells me I'm missing essential
files like ntldr or ntoskrnl.exe or similar, always different. Now, I
know these files are there and, through being persistant -rebooting again
and again- I finally get my system up and running again.

I think this may have begun when I rebooted during an Automated System
Recovery Backup run; It had frozen or I might have got impatient and only
thought it had done. Either way, my understanding is that during this
process, the OS copy's the files for the ASR and in prematurely
pre-empting the tidy finish of this process I've left the OS assuming that
somehow these files aren't available, though they are.

I was able to use System Restore to go back, but the next freeze disabused
me of the idea I'd somehow solved the problem.

I next tried restoring the clean Automated System Restore copy I had, but
again the next freeze left me in the same situation.

Has anyone seen this situation before? Got any ideas of what I might do
to correct the problem? I'd appreciate any tips at all; I't may not even
be the unfinished ASR run that caused this, but it's the only thing I can
think of.

I'd also appreciate any advice on what to use to get the ASR files onto a
DVD -my only option- so that I can get access if the system shuts me out
completely, it's pointless having them on the HDD. Acronis True Image? or
something else? It's 8.3 Gb so, with my brand spanking new burner I could
put it on a Double Layer DVD? Do these programs compress the files and if
so, not having access to my drives and the programs themselves, how do you
get the damn thing onto the drive?

I've found not having access to my NTFS drives through DOS a problem; I
don't know enough to get round this or what I might use to use to the
resources on the drive if I have a problem.

Thank you.

Ok, I've been monitoring the Event Viewer & looking out for Stop Error
messages, but I'm not really any the wiser. Should I be monitoring more
than just Application, Security & System in Event Viewer?


The system just freezes & stay's frozen indefinately; The only way I can
get out of it is to press the restart button, so I don't get a Stop Error
code & the event viewer doesn't show me an error or warning message clearly
associated with the freezing event from that moment.

The only message I get is when I restart it stops after POST, table with the
report of harware it sees connected to the system & the IRQ's, & tells me:
"Disk boot failure. Insert system disk & press enter." Or "Couldnot open
drive. Computer disk hardware configuration problem. Could not read from
selected boot disk."

I've also noticed a peculiar clicking noise which I now suspect is the drive
heads making a frustrated, angry & unsuccessful attempt to be heard. Could
it be a problem with my HDD & not an OS problem at all?

The messages I'm seeing in Event Viewer don't SEEM to be associated with my
main problem. The timing isn't right. They a

1)

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1517
Date: 12/10/2005
Time: 21:32:52
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: **********
Description:
Windows saved user ********\TrickTrash registry while an application or
service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used by the
user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when it is
no longer in use.

This is often caused by services running as a user account, try configuring
the services to run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

____________________________
I've got hold of UPHClean to fix this.

2)
Event Type: Error
Event Source: nview_info
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1
Date: 12/10/2005
Time: 19:03:38
User: N/A
Computer: ******
Description:
The description for Event ID ( 1 ) in Source ( nview_info ) cannot be found.
The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or
message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be
able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and
Support for details. The following information is part of the event: NVIEW :
sgbhp: Mutex Recovery Code - app released the mutex - back to normal
operation.
______________
This seems to be related to my graphics and I don't know what it means.

3)
Event Type: Error
Event Source: VSS
Event Category: None
Event ID: 12289
Date: 12/10/2005
Time: 17:04:56
User: N/A
Computer: *********
Description:
Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error
CreateFileW(\\?\Volume{800680dc-36af-11da-9774-806d6172696f},0xc0000000,0x00000003,...).
hr = 0x80070005.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 49 4e 43 49 43 48 4c 48 INCICHLH
0008: 32 30 35 00 00 00 00 00 205.....
0010: 53 50 52 44 49 46 46 43 SPRDIFFC
0018: 39 36 00 00 00 00 00 00 96......

_____
?

4)
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: Cdrom
Event Category: None
Event ID: 51
Date: 12/09/2005
Time: 11:54:23
User: N/A
Computer: *******
Description:
An error was detected on device \Device\CdRom1 during a paging operation.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 03 00 68 00 01 00 b8 00 ..h...¸.
0008: 00 00 00 00 33 00 04 80 ....3..€
0010: 2d 01 00 00 13 00 00 c0 -......À
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 e0 c5 14 00 00 00 00 .àÅ.....
0028: ab 80 0b 00 00 00 00 00 «€......
0030: ff ff ff ff 01 00 00 00 ÿÿÿÿ....
0038: 40 00 00 84 02 00 00 00 @..„....
0040: 00 20 0a 12 48 02 00 40 . ..H..@
0048: 00 00 00 00 88 13 00 00 ....ˆ...
0050: 00 00 00 00 f0 3c 91 82 ....ð‘‚
0058: 00 00 00 00 48 de 8f 82 ....HÞ�‚
0060: 02 00 00 00 bc 98 02 00 ....¼˜..
0068: 28 00 00 02 98 bc 00 00 (...˜¼..
0070: 1e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0078: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0a p.......
0080: 00 00 00 00 3a 00 00 00 ....:...
0088: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........

_____
?

Since I did the ASR restore I'm seeing a problem when I try to open Local
Security Policy/Group Policy: "The Group Policy security settings that apply
to this machine could not be determined. The error returned when trying to
retrieve these settings from the local security policy database
(%windir%\security\database\secedot/sdb) eas: The parameter is incorrect.
All settings will be displayed, but no indication given whether security
setting is defined Group Policy" A software install had insinuated a line
into the PATH variable of Enviroment Variables in System Properties,
changing case of element of the line; changing it back to Upper Case seemed
to fix it.

The reason I mention this is it seems to share a factor with problem 2)
above; a lack of ability to tell me what the cause of the problem might be.
I wonder is this a by-product of the ASR restore? Do I need to tweak some
settings to fix this.

What all this adds up to I haven't got the faintest idea.

Flummoxed. Again. All tips gratefully recieved.




"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
...
Something else you forgot the full text of the Stop Error message.

Please post a copy of the Stop Error message.

I suggest you Disable automatic restart on system failure. This should
help by allowing time to write down the STOP code properly. Right click
on the My Computer icon on the Desktop and select Properties, Advanced,
StartUp and Recovery, System Failure and uncheck box before
Automatically Restart.

Enable automatic restart on system failure after you have captured /
copied and pasted the message in a further post here.

There will also be Error Reports in Event Viewer. Please post copies.

You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Administrative Tools,
Event Viewer. When researching the meaning of the error, information
regarding Event ID, Source and Description are important.

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp

A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a
button resembling two pages. Double click the button and close Event
Viewer. Now start your message (email) and do a paste into the body of
the message. This will paste the info from the Event Viewer Error Report
complete with links into the message. Make sure this is the first paste
after exiting from Event Viewer.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"TrickTrash" guardclone-news-at-yahoo.co.uk wrote in message
...
Windows XP Pro
IDE HDD & a SATA drive
(oop's, forgot!)


"TrickTrash" guardclone-news-at-yahoo.co.uk wrote in message
...
I've recently started getting these freezes/crashes that force me to
restart, during which I get these messages telling me that there's a
problem communicating with the HDD or the Operating System cannot be
found, Boot from CD; If I persist, it tells me I'm missing essential
files like ntldr or ntoskrnl.exe or similar, always different. Now, I
know these files are there and, through being persistant -rebooting
again and again- I finally get my system up and running again.

I think this may have begun when I rebooted during an Automated System
Recovery Backup run; It had frozen or I might have got impatient and
only thought it had done. Either way, my understanding is that during
this process, the OS copy's the files for the ASR and in prematurely
pre-empting the tidy finish of this process I've left the OS assuming
that somehow these files aren't available, though they are.

I was able to use System Restore to go back, but the next freeze
disabused me of the idea I'd somehow solved the problem.

I next tried restoring the clean Automated System Restore copy I had,
but again the next freeze left me in the same situation.

Has anyone seen this situation before? Got any ideas of what I might do
to correct the problem? I'd appreciate any tips at all; I't may not
even be the unfinished ASR run that caused this, but it's the only thing
I can think of.

I'd also appreciate any advice on what to use to get the ASR files onto
a DVD -my only option- so that I can get access if the system shuts me
out completely, it's pointless having them on the HDD. Acronis True
Image? or something else? It's 8.3 Gb so, with my brand spanking new
burner I could put it on a Double Layer DVD? Do these programs compress
the files and if so, not having access to my drives and the programs
themselves, how do you get the damn thing onto the drive?

I've found not having access to my NTFS drives through DOS a problem; I
don't know enough to get round this or what I might use to use to the
resources on the drive if I have a problem.

Thank you.