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Windows 10 update fall 2019
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.
One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? -- Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours. They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? That seems a reasonable assumption. What other OSes do you have handy ? This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7. The problem is not dreaming up ideas to delay Win10 Upgrade. The problem is giving you a solution which is *guaranteed* to work. The OS does as it pleases, leaving you to clean up the mess. For example, there was the "NoOSUpgrade" registry setting, used to prevent the free upgrade from Win7-to-Win10 via Windows Update. Do you think that would work today if set ? Of course not. Microsoft would use whatever weasel-words are appropriate, to ensure their Upgrade comes in. There are other GPEDIT things regarding Windows Updates and Upgrades, but the time spans involved probably are not long enough to suit your situation. The GPEDIT values are intended for "interactive" usage, where a user does not want to be bothered by downtime on a week or one month basis. Whereas Windows 7, with Windows Update switch to the OFF position, could embark on a six month mission if you choose to do so. Remember that these are consumer computers, consumer grade OSes, consumer grade designs, not ultra-reliable. If the computer is running the security system and your IP webcams, you have to consider a memory leak could be present in the main application, and something could crash or need to be restarted. No $50 UPS remains running for every power outage. (A Tesla PowerWall or equivalent can probably take you past a day, with a single computer plugged into it.) Designing a setup you can trust, is not trivial. You can set the BIOS to "power up on power restoration", so that the machine restarts itself after a power failure. You can put the main task in the Startup Items, so it restarts. A smart design (if you're writing the code yourself), is to "checkpoint" the computation, so the computation can be picked up from where it left off. Maybe running a security system and transferring IP cams, doesn't need checkpoints, but, you get the idea. On business machines, with Intel Management Engine, it's possible to remotely connect to the machine and ask it to reset itself. Even a crashed machine with Management Engine, can be restarted, due to the microcontroller in the chipset that "listens" on the Intel dual-head NIC. The Qxx chipsets have features like that. Management Engine is a bitch from a maintenance perspective, so this remains a loopy suggestion for a home user :-/ Make sure your C: is large enough, so that between remote logins to check on it, that it cannot run out of space. Maybe a 6TB hard drive would help (hoping that from a reliability perspective, it might last longer than a 12TB or 14TB unit). Enterprise drives are rated for 24x7x365 operation. Pick one with good reviews. If you used a 128GB SSD for the boot drive, some files written by the OS could use up the space relatively rapidly. If you disconnected the network cable... you could use any OS you wanted. But that's not what people want. That security system isn't going to run itself. Paul |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*soundsÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*perfectÂ*jobÂ*forÂ*Windows *7. I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus (ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something forces them off it. I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just go to something else, not add value to what is already working. So no XP+ or Super W7. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
T wrote:
On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote: This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7. I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus (ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something forces them off it. I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just go to something else, not add value to what is already working. So no XP+ or Super W7. If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the "new improved widget". Even though there aren't any improvements to be seen ? Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ? Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it. And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business plan with that as an end-goal. I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't exactly useful. Paul |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 9/6/19 6:11 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote: This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7. I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus (ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something forces them off it. I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just go to something else, not add value to what is already working. So no XP+ or Super W7. If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the "new improved widget". Even though there aren't any improvements to be seen ? Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ? Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it. And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business plan with that as an end-goal. I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't exactly useful. Â*Â* Paul Why they don't build on what they have and what their customers like, is beyond me. How about a Real Windows Nein. No Spying, no forced updates, no tiles, no tablet integration, no One Drive, no Web Accounts, no fast boot, no Skype, no Edge, no cortina ... A true Windows "No". "Window Nein says 'no' to s***ty Windows! Windows No, the Best Windows Ever!" You think the marketing weasels will go for it? What ??? Hey, I can fantasize. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , T writes:
On 9/6/19 6:11 PM, Paul wrote: T wrote: On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote: This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7. I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus (ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something forces them off it. I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just go to something else, not add value to what is already working. So no XP+ or Super W7. If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the "new improved widget". Even though there aren't any improvements to be seen ? Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ? What proportion of MS's OS income (i. e. excluding other products like Office, surface hardware, etc.) comes from new machine sales, and what proportion from sales of upgrades to existing users, home assemblers, and the like? I've always assumed - in recent decades at least - that it's mostly from new machine sales, even if the manufacturers drive a hard bargain (I heard mention of twentysomething dollars a pop, but I think that was towards the end of the XP era). Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it. And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business plan with that as an end-goal. Well, there might be, if income is mostly from new machines. (For which MS don't provide support, to a first approximation anyway.) I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't exactly useful. ** Paul Why they don't build on what they have and what their customers like, is beyond me. How about a Real Windows Nein. No Spying, no forced updates, no tiles, no tablet integration, no One Drive, no Web Accounts, no fast boot, no Skype, no Edge, no cortina ... A true Windows "No". But wouldn't you _want_ genuine bugfixes, and perhaps genuine enhancements? I agree, most of the other things you mention I could do without (though I expect the few I _would_ like to retain wouldn't be the same as other users, and that's where the trouble starts). "Window Nein says 'no' to s***ty Windows! Windows No, the Best Windows Ever!" You think the marketing weasels will go for it? What ??? Hey, I can fantasize. (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf half the lies they tell about me aren't true. - Yogi Berra |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 07:28:22 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Keith
Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? Oh god, I hope not. I'm so six of a six-month release cycle. Plus, 1903 is supposed to make that optional for a year, IIRC. I believe now you can miss every other feature release by choice. -- Zag No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use cloud compute. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use cloud compute. OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. -- Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours. They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote: On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update in the next couple of months. Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019? You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use cloud compute. OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
"Chris" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote: On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
RHB wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote: On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I have an OS frozen at 16299.125. It no longer gets Windows Defender updates. That's bad. It no longer gets OS Upgrades. That's good. The OS is unhappy, and wastes part of a CPU core as punishment. That's not so good. With a suitable sledge hammer, yes, you can make an OS out of it. It's about as dangerous as running Windows 98 would be today. You're "exposed" from a security theater perspective, that's for sure. While the OS has GPEdit policies to delay updates or upgrades for short periods of time, this does *not* constitute "control", because there could still be cases with those applied, where your work is interrupted. There is no convenient control that says "stop doing updates and upgrades forever". We are not given that kind of control of the computer. The computer is basically a "terminal on a mainframe", as its control model via Windows 10. And this is all part of a Cloud business model. Which is intended to be a Rent Model. It's like, instead of owning a family car, you drive a UHaul all day. Paul |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message ... Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I have a way, but it's not popular and perhaps not even practical in many cases. I run all of my important work on Windows 7 because it just works. I also run multiple VMs on Windows 7, and some of those VMs are Windows 10. I run things that I don't care about on the Win 10 VMs. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
RHB wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote: On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. Man. That's annoying! Not happened to me yet. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , FredW
writes: On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote: Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I use Windows Update Blocker https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ Standard I have all updates blocked. I only allow updates when I want to update. That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson |
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