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  #1  
Old September 13th 19, 08:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alek
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Winver says,

Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.356)
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Old September 13th 19, 10:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Alek wrote:

Winver says,

Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.356)


If that is what Microsoft's WSUS servers have offered you then, yep, you
are up to date.

I'm current at 1903 build 18362.295; however, I haven't allowed a reboot
to allow the update to install (I rescheduled for next Tuesday, or I
might do it sooner after saving an image backup). The pending update is
for KB4515384:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...date-kb4515384

I think it's a reissue (i.e., another version of same update). It is
still causing Start menu problems even in its reincarnation.

https://www.windowscentral.com/micro...date-kb4515384
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...903#688msgdesc

According to the MS KB article, that update changes the Windows version
to "OS Build 18362.356", so you already have KB4515384 installed, and
hopefully aren't encountering the severe nasties that it can inflict.
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Old September 14th 19, 02:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
According to the MS KB article, that update changes the Windows version
to "OS Build 18362.356", so you already have KB4515384 installed, and
hopefully aren't encountering the severe nasties that it can inflict.


If your mean Cortana going postal chewing up CPU even when you have
Cortana disabled then, yep it hit me! The fix for me was the registry edit.

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Wind ows\CurrentVersion\Search\BingSearchEnabled

I had to temporary switch from 0 to 1 and reboot. I'll switch it back
after they patch this patch...

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Jonathan
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Old September 14th 19, 05:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

According to the MS KB article, that update changes the Windows version
to "OS Build 18362.356", so you already have KB4515384 installed, and
hopefully aren't encountering the severe nasties that it can inflict.


If your mean Cortana going postal chewing up CPU even when you have
Cortana disabled then, yep it hit me! The fix for me was the registry edit.

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Wind ows\CurrentVersion\Search\BingSearchEnabled

I had to temporary switch from 0 to 1 and reboot. I'll switch it back
after they patch this patch...


Except that registry hack isn't working in the reincarnation of
KB4515384. If you were susceptible to the nasties that it inflicted
before, the registry hack to fix one of them doesn't work in the latest
version of the update. From the WindowsCentral article to which I
linked in my prior reply:

"While there's a chance that it is related to the bug on build
18362.329, enabling the "BingSearchEnabled" Registry key won't resolve
the issue."
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Old September 14th 19, 05:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

According to the MS KB article, that update changes the Windows version
to "OS Build 18362.356", so you already have KB4515384 installed, and
hopefully aren't encountering the severe nasties that it can inflict.


If your mean Cortana going postal chewing up CPU even when you have
Cortana disabled then, yep it hit me! The fix for me was the registry edit.

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Wind ows\CurrentVersion\Search\BingSearchEnabled

I had to temporary switch from 0 to 1 and reboot. I'll switch it back
after they patch this patch...


Except that registry hack isn't working in the reincarnation of
KB4515384. If you were susceptible to the nasties that it inflicted
before, the registry hack to fix one of them doesn't work in the latest
version of the update. From the WindowsCentral article to which I
linked in my prior reply:

"While there's a chance that it is related to the bug on build
18362.329, enabling the "BingSearchEnabled" Registry key won't resolve
the issue."


Except KB4515384 was the update that first cause my issue. The registry
hack did resolve it. If they reissue the patch with "fixes" they would
not use the same KB#

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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
  #6  
Old September 14th 19, 07:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

According to the MS KB article, that update changes the Windows version
to "OS Build 18362.356", so you already have KB4515384 installed, and
hopefully aren't encountering the severe nasties that it can inflict.
If your mean Cortana going postal chewing up CPU even when you have
Cortana disabled then, yep it hit me! The fix for me was the registry edit.

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Wind ows\CurrentVersion\Search\BingSearchEnabled

I had to temporary switch from 0 to 1 and reboot. I'll switch it back
after they patch this patch...

Except that registry hack isn't working in the reincarnation of
KB4515384. If you were susceptible to the nasties that it inflicted
before, the registry hack to fix one of them doesn't work in the latest
version of the update. From the WindowsCentral article to which I
linked in my prior reply:

"While there's a chance that it is related to the bug on build
18362.329, enabling the "BingSearchEnabled" Registry key won't resolve
the issue."


Except KB4515384 was the update that first cause my issue. The registry
hack did resolve it. If they reissue the patch with "fixes" they would
not use the same KB#


They can. Each KB has versioning.

That's why the recurring "monthly scan" thing, the
MSRT, uses the same KB number each time it is installed.
Since it is versioned, the new one supercedes the old one,
and uses the same KB.

Since I am a collector of junk, I have a couple random
samples in my Downloads folder. These are compressed 40MB files
that expand to MSRT.exe 100MB or so.

windows-kb890830-x64-v5.66_324d7f131dd4bd5ede96c9526a81970efeaa9d4e.exe
windows-kb890830-x64-v5.71_2082573da8820621dd2f2393dcf185ceb5410d31.exe

A number of KBs have "double installed", and I've never
seen a description of exactly why two are needed for
them to "take". Because they can come in, immediately,
one after the other. The second instance of the update,
seems to be a shorter download.

And even though those files in the example, have the
"v5.66" thing, I think that is not the controlling number, and the
enumeration follows some other pattern and field. For
example, the version.txt file inside those EXEs, doesn't
follow any known pattern. They're versioned, but I can't
confirm any particular method as being the "important one".

You might have to take apart the wsusscn2 cab file to be sure.
It's around 500MB or so now (has all the OSes in it). Lots of
operations on Windows Update, use small sections of that.
(The Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer, which doesn't work
particularly for Windows 10, downloads the whole wsusscn2 file.)

It's because of versioning, you can't use any blocking
mechanism to stop them from coming in. You could tell the
system to stop accepting 890830 V5.66 and then v5.71 would
come in and cause the same nuisance again. The mechanism
isn't smart enough to do "890830 *" and wild-card the version.

Paul
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Old September 14th 19, 11:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
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It's because of versioning, you can't use any blocking
mechanism to stop them from coming in. You could tell the
system to stop accepting 890830 V5.66 and then v5.71 would
come in and cause the same nuisance again. The mechanism
isn't smart enough to do "890830 *" and wild-card the version.

Paul


Has anyone ever asked Microsoft why this is, and (I'm sure people have)
if so, has any comprehensible answer ever been forthcoming?

Being able to stop a KB, because you know it causes a specific problem,
is surely a valid desire, at least where the facility is offered. (I
guess the question will become moot after January, as I don't think the
option-to-stop - without third party software - is available in 10?)
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Old September 14th 19, 02:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

If they reissue the patch with "fixes" they would not use the same KB#


YES THEY DO!!!

Updates can get revised and come out AGAIN under the same KB number.
That is why you can elect to hide an update (back in Windows XP/7/8) but
it could come back to get offered again. When you hid an update, you
only got to hide THAT version of the update. When Microsoft pushed out
a new version of it, the hide was ineffective, so you got to see the new
version offered to you, and you had to hide it again.

This is how, for example, Microsoft managed to keep pushing the GWX (Get
Windows 10) "update" that tried to get users to upgrade to Windows 10.
Users that didn't want to move away from their existing but old version
of Windows would hide that update. Microsoft came out with a new
version and, yep, it would show up as another "new" update. That's why
someone came up with a monitor that would watch for the reappearance of
the GWX update under a new version to block it (GWX Control Panel,
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...ol_panel.html). You'd
disconnect the doorbell to avoid a salesman, but the salesman would
change his clothes, grow a mustache, rewire your doorbell, and bother
you again with his "new" products that were the same as the old ones but
now with a different look (you know, "new and improved" which meant the
stuff you were using is now "old and crap"). Improved doesn't mandate
correctly fixed, just slightly changed code.

Updates do get a version assigned. When "fixed", they get a new
version. Each time there is a new version, you get offered the new
version of the modified update and under the same KB number. You see
the same KB number get offered again. An update with a new version
means there have been changes to the update (aka fixes trying to correct
problems not wholly addressed or created new in the prior version).
  #9  
Old September 14th 19, 03:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

If they reissue the patch with "fixes" they would not use the same KB#


YES THEY DO!!!

Updates can get revised and come out AGAIN under the same KB number.
That is why you can elect to hide an update (back in Windows XP/7/8) but
it could come back to get offered again. When you hid an update, you
only got to hide THAT version of the update. When Microsoft pushed out
a new version of it, the hide was ineffective, so you got to see the new
version offered to you, and you had to hide it again.

This is how, for example, Microsoft managed to keep pushing the GWX (Get
Windows 10) "update" that tried to get users to upgrade to Windows 10.
Users that didn't want to move away from their existing but old version
of Windows would hide that update. Microsoft came out with a new
version and, yep, it would show up as another "new" update. That's why
someone came up with a monitor that would watch for the reappearance of
the GWX update under a new version to block it (GWX Control Panel,
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...ol_panel.html). You'd
disconnect the doorbell to avoid a salesman, but the salesman would
change his clothes, grow a mustache, rewire your doorbell, and bother
you again with his "new" products that were the same as the old ones but
now with a different look (you know, "new and improved" which meant the
stuff you were using is now "old and crap"). Improved doesn't mandate
correctly fixed, just slightly changed code.

Updates do get a version assigned. When "fixed", they get a new
version. Each time there is a new version, you get offered the new
version of the modified update and under the same KB number. You see
the same KB number get offered again. An update with a new version
means there have been changes to the update (aka fixes trying to correct
problems not wholly addressed or created new in the prior version).


shakes head Microsoft's concept of version control...ugh. This is way
this is my only device left running Windows. And most likely my last.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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Old September 14th 19, 03:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

If they reissue the patch with "fixes" they would not use the same KB#


YES THEY DO!!!

Updates can get revised and come out AGAIN under the same KB number.
That is why you can elect to hide an update (back in Windows XP/7/8) but
it could come back to get offered again. When you hid an update, you
only got to hide THAT version of the update. When Microsoft pushed out
a new version of it, the hide was ineffective, so you got to see the new
version offered to you, and you had to hide it again.

This is how, for example, Microsoft managed to keep pushing the GWX (Get
Windows 10) "update" that tried to get users to upgrade to Windows 10.
Users that didn't want to move away from their existing but old version
of Windows would hide that update. Microsoft came out with a new
version and, yep, it would show up as another "new" update. That's why
someone came up with a monitor that would watch for the reappearance of
the GWX update under a new version to block it (GWX Control Panel,
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...ol_panel.html). You'd
disconnect the doorbell to avoid a salesman, but the salesman would
change his clothes, grow a mustache, rewire your doorbell, and bother
you again with his "new" products that were the same as the old ones but
now with a different look (you know, "new and improved" which meant the
stuff you were using is now "old and crap"). Improved doesn't mandate
correctly fixed, just slightly changed code.

Updates do get a version assigned. When "fixed", they get a new
version. Each time there is a new version, you get offered the new
version of the modified update and under the same KB number. You see
the same KB number get offered again. An update with a new version
means there have been changes to the update (aka fixes trying to correct
problems not wholly addressed or created new in the prior version).


shakes head Microsoft's concept of version control...ugh. This is way
this is my only device left running Windows. And most likely my last.


And the software you install has versioning, as do the drivers you
install, and everything else that is SOFTware. Even hardware has
versioning but it doesn't change until replaced unless it has
reprogrammable firmware.
 




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