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  #31  
Old October 4th 19, 10:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?

In message , wasbit
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[]
My method, found by trial & error, is to add a hyphen space to the
front of a file to make them appear at the top of the list.


Interesting!

Others have already promoted zz on the front to make the file appear last.
For other symbols, that I may occasionally need but can't remember, I
keep in a text file & copy & paste them as needed.
The tick character is the one that I've had the most problems over the
years. That's why there are several versions in the following list

? ?
? = Alt 10003
? = Alt 10004
? = Alt 0252


(On my system, there is nothing visible to the left of the "=" on those
lines.) I didn't know there were five-digit Alt codes.

@ = Alt 64


Do you not have an @ on your keyboard? (I think it's shifted 2 on a US
one; on a UK one, it's three keys to the right of L, with '.)

ô = 0244
Degree ° = Alt 248
Diameter Ø = Alt 2205
New line = Ctrl + m
Divide ÷ - Alt 0247
Bullet • = Alt 7
Dollar $ = Alt 36

(Again - no $ on your keyboard?)
Cent = ¢ = Alt 0162
Euro = € = Alt 0128
Yen = ¥ = Alt 0165
Mu = ? = Alt 230

Quite a lot of characters seem to have two (maybe more?) Alt+ sequences
- one with a leading 0, one without. IIRR degree is 0191 or 0161.

Since I don't have a numeric keypad on a laptop, I find AllChars very
useful - in fact I think I'd probably install it even if I went back to
something with a numpad, as the key sequences are so easy to remember
(dg for degree, +- for plusminus, e' for e acute, o" for o umlaut ...).
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  #32  
Old October 4th 19, 11:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
R.Wieser
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

Frank,

That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.


I know. I probably spend more time in a command console than in Windows
itself. :-)

My favorite to locate files is "dir /s/b/p {filemask}". Added p It
/doesn't/ search in ZIP folders.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #33  
Old October 4th 19, 11:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
R.Wieser
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Default Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?

wasbit,

My method, found by trial & error, is to add a hyphen space to the front
of a file to make them appear at the top of the list.


In my case it was a 'Hey, why aren't my "!*" files at the top?' -moment.
The result is the same though.

For other symbols, that I may occasionally need but can't remember, I keep
in a text file & copy & paste them as needed.


That would be my next step. But first I have to find a character which wil
place a file at the end of the list. And /preferrably/ one I can also
enter by keyboard.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #34  
Old October 4th 19, 12:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.


I know. I probably spend more time in a command console than in Windows
itself. :-)


Same here, Rudy! :-) 'Even' my newsreader (tin) is a CUI (Character/
Console UI) one and runs in a Command Prompt window. And I have Cygwin
for additional UNIX/Linux commands/tools. So who needs Windows!? GUIs
are for WIMPs! :-)

My favorite to locate files is "dir /s/b/p {filemask}". Added p It
/doesn't/ search in ZIP folders.

  #35  
Old October 4th 19, 12:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
R.Wieser wrote:
[...]

A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose
sort order in Explorer

Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when
scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document
but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-((


That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.

FWIW, I've about 3000 files in my home directory and by using '*' and
'?' wildcards in a 'dir' command, it's trivial to find a file if I only
know/remember part of the filename.

For example

dir *Clio*

gives me all the information files about my car, and

dir *142*

gives me all the files related to a specific laptop of ours (HP Pavilion
15-p142nd).

In my home directory, I'm actually *not* using sub-directories [1],
because it's easier to find a file with the dir-method, than to try to
remember in which sub-directory a file might be. (Yes, I could use
sub-directories and a recursive dir command (/s), but I just don't
bother.)

N.B. This doesn't mean I don't use File Explorer to access files,
it's just an extra method to find (the names of) files.

[1] Well, I do have some sub-directories, but not many.


Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?


No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)

But seriously, sofar I haven't had a need for the reasons I gave, but
I'm always in for pointers to potentially useful utilities. I didn't see
a mention of the "Everything" utility in this thread, so if you could
give me/us a pointer/URL, that would be nice.

That's _very_ quick,
works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in
multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s,
etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything.

  #36  
Old October 4th 19, 12:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?


No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)


Do give it a go.

But seriously, sofar I haven't had a need for the reasons I gave, but
I'm always in for pointers to potentially useful utilities. I didn't see
a mention of the "Everything" utility in this thread, so if you could
give me/us a pointer/URL, that would be nice.

That's _very_ quick,
works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in
multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s,
etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything.


https://www.voidtools.com/

It really is fast: searches as you type each character. (Or, to be more
accurate, it filters as you type; it starts with a list of all the files
on your system.) I've usually seen (in its window) the file I'm looking
for before I've finished typing.

The _first_ run may take a minute. But after that it's amazingly fast.
For example, I've got nothing in the search box now, and it's telling me
it's ready to look through my 403,109 objects. If I type b into the box,
that changed to 175,962 in well under half a second (things that have a
b in the name).

I think it only works - or at its fast speed, anyway - on NTFS, or at
least not on FAT, volumes.
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  #37  
Old October 4th 19, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

"Frank Slootweg" wrote

| Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?
|
| No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)
|

Some things seem to congeal their own religion. "Everything"
is one of them. Malwarebytes is another. I like Agent Ransack.
Then, of course, there's the ultimate have-to: "What do you
mean you can't read docx?"

Agent Ransack puts a context menu in Explorer, is extremely
fast, and doesn't index. As far as I know, that's the main
difference between the two: Everything indexes and has a
confusing name. AR doesn't.



  #38  
Old October 4th 19, 02:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph.

R_Wieser wrote:
I have to find a character which will
place a file at the end of the list.
And /preferrably/ one I can also enter by keyboard.


'乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4e42 ).

Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph; see:

; Requires a ReBoot
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method]
"EnableHexNumpad"="1"

Press and hold-down the Alt key.
Press the + (plus) key on THE NUMERIC KEYPAD.

Type the hexidecimal unicode value ( 4e42 );
decimal digits MUST be typed using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD.

Release the Alt key.

....but I'd never do it that way;
instead, I'd create a speech command ( Nuance Dragon Professional )
or put it on my custom keyboard ( Hot Virtual Keyboard ):

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
  #39  
Old October 4th 19, 03:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
R.Wieser
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Default Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph.

Jeff,

; Requires a ReBoot
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method]
"EnableHexNumpad"="1"


That did the trick (before that entering letters while ALT was pressed did
just activate the linked menu items).

Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph; see:


As the "is that so?" guy I am (sorry :-) ) the next thing I did was to try
the normal keyboards digits. And for some reason that worked fine too ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



  #40  
Old October 4th 19, 04:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/the letters ?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , wasbit
writes:



? ?
? = Alt 10003
? = Alt 10004
? = Alt 0252


(On my system, there is nothing visible to the left of the "=" on those
lines.) I didn't know there were five-digit Alt codes.


Some of them show up in a web browser.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...nt-email.me%3E

Paul
  #41  
Old October 4th 19, 04:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?


No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)


Do give it a go.

But seriously, sofar I haven't had a need for the reasons I gave, but
I'm always in for pointers to potentially useful utilities. I didn't see
a mention of the "Everything" utility in this thread, so if you could
give me/us a pointer/URL, that would be nice.

That's _very_ quick,
works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in
multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s,
etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything.


https://www.voidtools.com/

It really is fast: searches as you type each character. (Or, to be more
accurate, it filters as you type; it starts with a list of all the files
on your system.) I've usually seen (in its window) the file I'm looking
for before I've finished typing.

The _first_ run may take a minute. But after that it's amazingly fast.
For example, I've got nothing in the search box now, and it's telling me
it's ready to look through my 403,109 objects. If I type b into the box,
that changed to 175,962 in well under half a second (things that have a
b in the name).

I think it only works - or at its fast speed, anyway - on NTFS, or at
least not on FAT, volumes.


Yes, indeed a nice utility and very fast. Very handy to have in one's
toolbox. Thanks for the tip and pointer.

Saw in the Help that it even has a CLI (Command Line Interface), so
what more do I want!? :-)

BTW, without anything in the search box, I did a Ctrl-A and then
right-click Delete. Is that a problem!? :-)
  #42  
Old October 4th 19, 06:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

On 4 Oct 2019 11:23:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.


I know. I probably spend more time in a command console than in Windows
itself. :-)


Same here, Rudy! :-) 'Even' my newsreader (tin) is a CUI (Character/
Console UI) one and runs in a Command Prompt window. And I have Cygwin
for additional UNIX/Linux commands/tools. So who needs Windows!? GUIs
are for WIMPs! :-)


I use both the CLI and the GUI. I tend to use the CLI when I do
programmer stuff and the GUI when I do end user stuff, but the
boundary is not strict.

I do like using dir for finding files.

My favorite to locate files is "dir /s/b/p {filemask}". Added p It
/doesn't/ search in ZIP folders.


I tend to stuff the output into a file. I use batch files to
process multiple files.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #43  
Old October 4th 19, 08:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:50:45 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?


No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)


Do give it a go.

But seriously, sofar I haven't had a need for the reasons I gave, but
I'm always in for pointers to potentially useful utilities. I didn't see
a mention of the "Everything" utility in this thread, so if you could
give me/us a pointer/URL, that would be nice.

That's _very_ quick,
works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in
multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s,
etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything.


https://www.voidtools.com/

It really is fast: searches as you type each character. (Or, to be more
accurate, it filters as you type; it starts with a list of all the files
on your system.) I've usually seen (in its window) the file I'm looking
for before I've finished typing.

The _first_ run may take a minute. But after that it's amazingly fast.
For example, I've got nothing in the search box now, and it's telling me
it's ready to look through my 403,109 objects. If I type b into the box,
that changed to 175,962 in well under half a second (things that have a
b in the name).

I think it only works - or at its fast speed, anyway - on NTFS, or at
least not on FAT, volumes.


No, it's equally fast on all volumes that you ask it to access, including
local and remote NTFS volumes, local and remote FAT volumes (FAT32, exFAT,
etc.), local and remote ReFS volumes, etc. Mapped drives, networked drives,
and NAS drives are also supported. Once the index/database has been built,
all of them are equally fast because the actual search doesn't access the
drives. The search is done against the index.

The difference that you're thinking of is in how Everything updates its
internal index/database. With NTFS and ReFS, it uses the USN Journal to
keep the index updated in real time. For all other disk volume types, a
periodic manual scan is required. You can schedule that in Everything's
Options dialog, on the Folders tab. The range appears to be as little as
rescanning every minute to as much as scanning once a week. In my case, my
non-NTFS volumes get scanned every morning at 3:00AM.

  #44  
Old October 5th 19, 02:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"Frank Slootweg" wrote

| Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility?
|
| No, I haven't. I didn't know I was supposed to try it! :-)
|

Some things seem to congeal their own religion. "Everything"
is one of them. Malwarebytes is another. I like Agent Ransack.
Then, of course, there's the ultimate have-to: "What do you
mean you can't read docx?"

Agent Ransack puts a context menu in Explorer, is extremely
fast, and doesn't index. As far as I know, that's the main
difference between the two: Everything indexes and has a
confusing name. AR doesn't.


I think they're very different beasts; Everything only searches on
filenames - it doesn't do content at all. (I'm not sure whether AR does
filenames.)

I agree Everything's name is _awkward_, as it makes it difficult to talk
about it; I don't think it's any less _confusing_ than Agent Ransack.
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Old October 5th 19, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I think they're very different beasts; Everything only searches on
| filenames - it doesn't do content at all. (I'm not sure whether AR does
| filenames.)

Oh. I didn't know that. Part of the reason I stopped using
Windows search was because it was so bad at searching
for content, which is what I do most. If I know the filename
I don't usually need to look for it. I know where I would have
put it. But I periodically need to do something like find the
article about canteloupe in my folder full of food and health
related files. So then I just right-click the folder and ask AR
to find "cantaloupe" in the file content. I always save such article
as TXT rather than HTML or DOC, keeping the collection
compact and simple.

AR does also search for file or folder names and accepts
wildcards. Though the asterisk isn't really necessary. But I've
never had occasion to test whether it can handle something
like apple*s. I only search for things like *apple or apple*,
*.txt, etc.

| I agree Everything's name is _awkward_, as it makes it difficult to talk
| about it; I don't think it's any less _confusing_ than Agent Ransack.

Agent Ransack is a unique name, even though it might
be an odd one. Everything means everything. The only worse
name would be, perhaps, "Something" or "The Other Thing":

"Have you tried Something to search for files?"


 




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