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August 8th 19, 11:49 AM
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Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I
tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down 
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Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. -- Phil, London
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August 8th 19, 01:30 PM
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Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table
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August 8th 19, 04:06 PM
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FMurtz wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table Does Puppy have a copy of TestDisk ? TestDisk can rebuild a partition table. But if Puppy can see the Windows partition, that implies the partition table is somewhat functional. testdisk /dev/sda disktype /dev/sda gparted /dev/sda Do you have a recent backup image of the laptop contents, made with Macrium or Acronis or the like ? You could use Rufus for attempting to make boot media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(software) You also have options such as putting the storage device onto a USB cable of its own, booting Linux Mint, then plugging in the duff drive over USB. There's probably a ton of things you could be trying (to assess the situation), without reinstalling the OS. Paul
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August 8th 19, 05:48 PM
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On 08/08/2019 12:52, Philip Herlihy wrote:
Best advice I can offer would be this: Best advice anybody could give is to ask the OP to find a technician who can fix the problem swiftly and efficiently. His machine is second hand and so this means that it was fallen from the back of the lorry or that he stole it from somewhere or that he bought a stolen property on eBay. How can you guys waste time on such people here on Windows 10 newsgroup? there are important things to discuss here. -- With over 999 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
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August 12th 19, 02:15 PM
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Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy?
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August 12th 19, 07:03 PM
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FMurtz wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy? Do this from Puppy ? https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 The file for x64 will be big enough, you will need dual-layer DVD media to burn an installer bootdisk. Paul
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August 13th 19, 06:44 PM
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says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy? If you're going to install to a freshly-formatted drive, you'd want (and get) the latest version of Windows 10. I don't know if the creation of the "media" USB can be done on a non-Windows machine. I'd presume so. -- Phil, London
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Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy? If you're going to install to a freshly-formatted drive, you'd want (and get) the latest version of Windows 10. I don't know if the creation of the "media" USB can be done on a non-Windows machine. I'd presume so. The Linux-based USB key loaders, don't really care if a Windows 10 ISO works on USB or not. I've had a few cases, where they claim to do certain things, you test them, and... Nope. Rufus might work, if you can figure out a way to get it to run. I've had good reports about Rufus (as far as such things go). A Windows VM, USB passthru, it could be done. It's not going to work in WINE, because it needs to access the USB key as /dev/sda or similar. But generally, I'd just tell you to bite the bullet, buy dual layer media, get yourself a USB DVD drive (if you have a wall powered enclosure, you can set up your own). And then you can do it with a DVD. While you could try "dd" copying a Windows ISO to a USB key, I don't see the same structure that they use in the Linux hybrid ISOs. That's why I wouldn't bet on that working either. The tool Microsoft offered to do this, it uses bootsect.exe as part of the procedure, which tells you the Microsoft tool copies files off the ISO and doesn't "dd" it. If a "dd" copy was involved, there'd be no need for a bootsect step. Paul
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In article , lid says...
Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy? If you're going to install to a freshly-formatted drive, you'd want (and get) the latest version of Windows 10. I don't know if the creation of the "media" USB can be done on a non-Windows machine. I'd presume so. The Linux-based USB key loaders, don't really care if a Windows 10 ISO works on USB or not. I've had a few cases, where they claim to do certain things, you test them, and... Nope. Rufus might work, if you can figure out a way to get it to run. I've had good reports about Rufus (as far as such things go). A Windows VM, USB passthru, it could be done. It's not going to work in WINE, because it needs to access the USB key as /dev/sda or similar. But generally, I'd just tell you to bite the bullet, buy dual layer media, get yourself a USB DVD drive (if you have a wall powered enclosure, you can set up your own). And then you can do it with a DVD. While you could try "dd" copying a Windows ISO to a USB key, I don't see the same structure that they use in the Linux hybrid ISOs. That's why I wouldn't bet on that working either. The tool Microsoft offered to do this, it uses bootsect.exe as part of the procedure, which tells you the Microsoft tool copies files off the ISO and doesn't "dd" it. If a "dd" copy was involved, there'd be no need for a bootsect step. Paul I don't understand the problem. You visit the MS website and use it to create a USB installer, which is digitally signed to be acceptable to a machine with Secure Boot configured. A small downloaded utility runs on the host while the installer is being created - this may or may not work on non-Windows machines, but surely you could borrow a Windows machine for long enough to create the installer. You boot from USB, and it offers to install on any suitable space you have on the disk, and gives you the option to delete partitions if you need to. If your goal is to install W10 on this machine, that's all you need. That's all from me on this. -- Phil, London
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August 27th 19, 03:54 PM
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Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , lid says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Philip Herlihy wrote: In article , says... Win 10 in my second hand dell has gone bung and won't repair itself I tried to make a win 10 bootable usb from iso but it wont boot, it keeps saying invalid partition table, it does the same with a mint cinnamon bootable usb, I also made a puppy linux usb and it works.I can see the windows file with puppy, so I know at least I have a hard drive (SSD) This computer apparently was win 7 but someone has ripped off label so I do not know the license keys etc but win 10 updated after I got it so maybe it has been linked to my microsoft account. I did run a search with a program for passwords, numbers etc but stupidly did not write them down Best advice I can offer would be this: Create a USB installer using the Windows Media Creation tool - you need an 8GB or larger memory stick. Look here for ".. to install Windows 10 on a different PC..." https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 Normally Windows will activate automatically when re-installed on hardware previously activated. You need to be able to get into the "Boot options" menu - usually by tapping (repeatedly) a function key like F8, F11 or F12 immediately after the BIOS starts. The USB installer will be digitally signed, so Secure Boot should recognise it. Did that and it does but wont boot just gets same message Can you extract the SSD and test its "health" on another system? Using a "SMART" utility like Hard Disk Sentinel, Acronis Drive Monitor (free) or this: When I had puppy linux working I could see the whole SSD file system https://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup/ Even if your SSD is borked, Windows should re-install on a new drive if you use the USB installer as described above - though you'll usually need to track down the odd driver, and re-install additional software loaded from CD/DVD. If the SSD is ok, it can be worth simply deleting the existing System partition (from within the USB installer process) and anything following it, and installing on the "Unallocated Space". If you're not bothered about retaining recovery partitions (I'm less and less so, as the re- install process works well) then you can simply format the lot. I only have working XP, win 7 or linux mint available so I don't think Windows creation tool is available, I used "iso to usb " but am having no success even tried the same tool on puppy again and now that gets same message, Invalid partition table My guess is that you should be able to create a W10 USB installer on a W7 machine using that link above. "a different PC" I finally did but it would not work,different version ,How can I find version of windows using puppy? If you're going to install to a freshly-formatted drive, you'd want (and get) the latest version of Windows 10. I don't know if the creation of the "media" USB can be done on a non-Windows machine. I'd presume so. The Linux-based USB key loaders, don't really care if a Windows 10 ISO works on USB or not. I've had a few cases, where they claim to do certain things, you test them, and... Nope. Rufus might work, if you can figure out a way to get it to run. I've had good reports about Rufus (as far as such things go). A Windows VM, USB passthru, it could be done. It's not going to work in WINE, because it needs to access the USB key as /dev/sda or similar. But generally, I'd just tell you to bite the bullet, buy dual layer media, get yourself a USB DVD drive (if you have a wall powered enclosure, you can set up your own). And then you can do it with a DVD. While you could try "dd" copying a Windows ISO to a USB key, I don't see the same structure that they use in the Linux hybrid ISOs. That's why I wouldn't bet on that working either. The tool Microsoft offered to do this, it uses bootsect.exe as part of the procedure, which tells you the Microsoft tool copies files off the ISO and doesn't "dd" it. If a "dd" copy was involved, there'd be no need for a bootsect step. Paul I don't understand the problem. You visit the MS website and use it to create a USB installer, which is digitally signed to be acceptable to a machine with Secure Boot configured. A small downloaded utility runs on the host while the installer is being created - this may or may not work on non-Windows machines, but surely you could borrow a Windows machine for long enough to create the installer. You boot from USB, and it offers to install on any suitable space you have on the disk, and gives you the option to delete partitions if you need to. If your goal is to install W10 on this machine, that's all you need. That's all from me on this. My goal was to repair an existing non functioning Win ten
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dell latitude win 10
FMurtz wrote:
My goal was to repair an existing non functioning Win ten What materials do you have on hand today ? Are you bandwidth or cap-limited on Internet ? Try Rufus to make a USB stick. Or use MediaCreationTool1903 from the Microsoft download page for Windows 10. Repairing Windows 10 is only possible from a running Windows 10. On WinXP, you could boot the CD and Repair Install while WinXP was dead. Later versions of Windows don't work that way. On a Windows 10, the OS has to be running at the time, when you execute Setup.exe off the ISO to do a Repair Install. Your Windows 10 is not running. For around $50, you can get software to "migrate" programs and settings, but that's a ridiculous approach that comes with its own tech support phone number. Which means there are rough edges. That leaves Clean Install by booting the Win10 DVD (or USB stick so-prepared). And, you need the bootup process to "match" the desired install type. If the disk is MSDOS formatted, then booting in legacy mode is pretty easy. If the disk is GPT formatted (modern Dells/HPs would come that way), then the USB stick needs to boot in UEFI mode. This is apparently easy for the physical DVDs you make, but I've had trouble with that with the USB sticks. This is the one that I've had trouble in the BIOS popup boot menu, getting the UEFI option to be offered. http://web.archive.org/web/201201022...usbdvd_dwnTool http://web.archive.org/web/201110052...B-DVD-tool.exe Other than trying with Rufus, that leaves the MediaCreationTool1903 (Philip mentioned), which does make UEFI-capable media. But if Win10 won't boot, we can't Repair Install. And Clean Install violates your objectives. ******* If you concentrated on boot repair techniques, maybe you could get it working that way. Macrium Reflect CD or USB stick, would be one way to do that. You'll need your Windows technician machine, to install Macrium ReflectFree and make the rescue media from there. I don't know if Macrium CD has a "boot mode" dependency, but I think it does offer a UEFI boot option. (There is a tick box for UEFI. The latest Macrium demands a larger-than-1024MB USB stick, even though it only ended up using ~300MB.) Using the Macrium USB stick, you can use the Boot Repair option from the menu. That might be all it needs, and these dreams of "big Repair Installs" won't be needed (even if they were possible, which they aren't at the moment). Paul
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August 30th 19, 11:45 AM
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dell latitude win 10
Paul wrote:
FMurtz wrote: My goal was to repair an existing non functioning Win ten What materials do you have on hand today ? Are you bandwidth or cap-limited on Internet ? Try Rufus to make a USB stick. Or use MediaCreationTool1903 from the Microsoft download page for Windows 10. Repairing Windows 10 is only possible from a running Windows 10. On WinXP, you could boot the CD and Repair Install while WinXP was dead. Later versions of Windows don't work that way. On a Windows 10, the OS has to be running at the time, when you execute Setup.exe off the ISO to do a Repair Install. Your Windows 10 is not running. For around $50, you can get software to "migrate" programs and settings, but that's a ridiculous approach that comes with its own tech support phone number. Which means there are rough edges. That leaves Clean Install by booting the Win10 DVD (or USB stick so-prepared). And, you need the bootup process to "match" the desired install type. If the disk is MSDOS formatted, then booting in legacy mode is pretty easy. If the disk is GPT formatted (modern Dells/HPs would come that way), then the USB stick needs to boot in UEFI mode. This is apparently easy for the physical DVDs you make, but I've had trouble with that with the USB sticks. This is the one that I've had trouble in the BIOS popup boot menu, getting the UEFI option to be offered. http://web.archive.org/web/201201022...usbdvd_dwnTool http://web.archive.org/web/201110052...B-DVD-tool.exe Other than trying with Rufus, that leaves the MediaCreationTool1903 (Philip mentioned), which does make UEFI-capable media. But if Win10 won't boot, we can't Repair Install. And Clean Install violates your objectives. ******* If you concentrated on boot repair techniques, maybe you could get it working that way. Macrium Reflect CD or USB stick, would be one way to do that. You'll need your Windows technician machine, to install Macrium ReflectFree and make the rescue media from there. I don't know if Macrium CD has a "boot mode" dependency, but I think it does offer a UEFI boot option. (There is a tick box for UEFI. The latest Macrium demands a larger-than-1024MB USB stick, even though it only ended up using ~300MB.) I tried a rufus made usb win ten install but it only went a short way and said it was not compatible with my win ten. One of my major problems is that it is a second hand laptop which was updated to win 10 from win 7 and the win7 sticker was removed did run a program which gave me passwords, model nos etc before it crashed but stupid me did not record them so unless microsoft has legalised things in my name I will have trouble, I did update with my microsoft password soon after getting it. I am now guessing that an unasked auto update blew the thing up. Using the Macrium USB stick, you can use the Boot Repair option from the menu. That might be all it needs, and these dreams of "big Repair Installs" won't be needed (even if they were possible, which they aren't at the moment). Â*Â* Paul
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#15
September 17th 19, 03:46 PM
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I don't see any reason to put a Windows ISO on anything.
Paul mentioned:
copying a Windows ISO to a USB key I don't see any reason to put a Windows ISO on anything. My half terabyte USB 3.1 stick, and my terabyte NVMe drive are both clones of my older (terabyte) Sata III SSD. So I can use any of those 3 devices to boot my PC directly into a very familiar Win10 1903 environment, including my apps, data and all. So, if I screw one up so bad that " shutdown /r /o " won't let me do a clean install, I can always go back to one of my older boot devices, knowing it'll work.
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