Windows 10 update fall 2019

In message , T writes:
On 9/6/19 6:11 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote:
This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7.

I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus
(ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something
forces them off it.

I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS
and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just
go to something else, not add value to what is already working.
So no XP+ or Super W7.

If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't
you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the
"new improved widget". Even though there aren't any
improvements to be seen ?
Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you
that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ?

What proportion of MS's OS income (i. e. excluding other products like
Office, surface hardware, etc.) comes from new machine sales, and what
proportion from sales of upgrades to existing users, home assemblers,
and the like? I've always assumed - in recent decades at least - that
it's mostly from new machine sales, even if the manufacturers drive a
hard bargain (I heard mention of twentysomething dollars a pop, but I
think that was towards the end of the XP era).

Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it.
And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business
plan with that as an end-goal.

Well, there might be, if income is mostly from new machines. (For which
MS don't provide support, to a first approximation anyway.)

I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't
exactly useful.
** Paul

Why they don't build on what they have and what their
customers like, is beyond me.

How about a Real Windows Nein. No Spying, no forced updates,
no tiles, no tablet integration, no One Drive, no Web Accounts,
no fast boot, no Skype, no Edge, no cortina ... A true
Windows "No".

But wouldn't you _want_ genuine bugfixes, and perhaps genuine
enhancements? I agree, most of the other things you mention I could do
without (though I expect the few I _would_ like to retain wouldn't be
the same as other users, and that's where the trouble starts).

"Window Nein says 'no' to s***ty Windows! Windows No, the Best
Windows Ever!" You think the marketing weasels will go for it?
What ??? Hey, I can fantasize.

(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

half the lies they tell about me aren't true. - Yogi Berra

On 9/7/19 10:49 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But wouldn't you _want_ genuine bugfixes, and perhaps genuine enhancements?

Hi J. P.,

Yes of course, but not forced on me and not with
all their other trash.

And it is not that this is not possible.

Under Fedora, whenever I log in, I have a pop up that tells
me how many updates there are AND WHAT THEY ARE. And I can
access this utility whenever I please. And I can pick an choose
what I want to update.

If I want to, I can also configure Fedroa to update automatically,
which I don't.

And Fedora also has an ARMY of testers and a testers mailing
list, of which I am a member and have contributed a tiny amount.
If you need something right away, Fedora also has testing
repositories, feedback appreciated.

And Fedora's minor update goof ups happen maybe every
four years or so, not every month!. Plus, YOU CAN DOWNGRADE
any package you want and report the issue to Fedora where
80% of the time it is fixed within a month.

And Fedora has a bug reporting system.

But M$ NOOOOOOOOO.

So I still like my fantasy about a true Windows Nein.
"Windows Nine! Everything that should never have been
in an operating system removed. A true Windows No.
IT's NOT S*** !!!!"

What ???


-T

In message , FredW
writes:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote:



Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

I use Windows Update Blocker
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/

Standard I have all updates blocked.
I only allow updates when I want to update.

That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the
editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

In message , FredW
writes:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:05:10 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , FredW
writes:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote:



Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

I use Windows Update Blocker
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/

Standard I have all updates blocked.
I only allow updates when I want to update.

That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the
editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway.

???
As far as I can see. you are reading the part how to do it yourself
without using Windows Update Blocker.

I'm looking at the page again, and I'm still not su it's clearly
written by someone for whom English is not their native language. I
don't mind that - it is free, after all! - but it _is_ rather hard to
follow.

The program has only one (1) screen where you can select
Enable Updates or Disable Updates,
Select he choice you want and press Apply Now.
That is all.

Works perfectly for my Windows 10 home 1803.

An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow
users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first
please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the
“dosvc=2,4� line , for example if you want to block “Windows
Update medic Service� Please open services and find it", followed by
screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini .
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The average US shareholding lasts 22 seconds. Nobody knows who invented the
fire hydrant: the patent records were destroyed in a fire. Sandcastles kill
more people than sharks. Your brain uses less power than the light in your
fridge. The Statue of Liberty wears size 879 shoes.
- John Lloyd, QI supremo (RT, 2014/9/27-10/3)

Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
RHB wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message
...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would
OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.

Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.
Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

Man. That's annoying! Not happened to me yet.


I had a week-long compute run, interrupted about
3 hours into the run with a "you'll need to reboot
within the next 24 hours". It made sense to lose
3 hours work and reboot right away, than lose 27 hours
work when it reboots on its own. The week-long compute run
was the preparation of a panoramic image from ~70 overlapping
images. The software has this horrible "paging out" mechanism,
where the work is done at the blistering pace of 1MB/sec
by the software. That's why it takes a week.

I pulled the network cable out of the machine, to
ensure the week-long run would finish. After my reboots
were done. (You do extra reboots, just in case it has
more reboots planned.) You can never have enough reboots
at a time like that.

I've had updates affect long jobs at work. Windows 10 is not suitable for
compute jobs IMO. I now do compute jobs in the cloud.

"FredW" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow
users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first
please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the
"dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows
Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by
screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini .


All is clear to me.
I use Enable or Disable, that is all.
Whatever more you think to read is up to you.

On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the
updates are concerned.


I have Windows 10 version 1803 (build 17134.984)
I am not bothered by unexpected and/or unwanted updates.

--
Fred W. (nld)

In message , RHB writes:

"FredW" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow
users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first
please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the
"dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows
Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by
screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini .


All is clear to me.
I use Enable or Disable, that is all.
Whatever more you think to read is up to you.

On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the
updates are concerned.

He was talking about using
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ .

I have Windows 10 version 1803 (build 17134.984)
I am not bothered by unexpected and/or unwanted updates.

--
Fred W. (nld)


2
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

So, Heresy be damned (well, it would be, wouldn't it?).
Radio Times 24-30 July 2010 (page 24)

On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:
"FredW" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow
users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first
please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the
"dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows
Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by
screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini .


All is clear to me.
I use Enable or Disable, that is all.
Whatever more you think to read is up to you.

On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the
updates are concerned.

I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a
touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for
you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing
for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full
potential on its own... on purpose anyway.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , FredW
writes:
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:05:10 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , FredW
writes:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote:

Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of
something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile,
rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back
on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on
metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from
happening I would love to read it.

I use Windows Update Blocker
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/

Standard I have all updates blocked.
I only allow updates when I want to update.

That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the
editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway.

???
As far as I can see. you are reading the part how to do it yourself
without using Windows Update Blocker.

I'm looking at the page again, and I'm still not su it's clearly
written by someone for whom English is not their native language. I
don't mind that - it is free, after all! - but it _is_ rather hard to
follow.

IMO, you're reading too quickly / sloppily! :-)

The program has only one (1) screen where you can select
Enable Updates or Disable Updates,
Select he choice you want and press Apply Now.
That is all.

Works perfectly for my Windows 10 home 1803.

An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow
users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first
please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the
?dosvc=2,4? line , for example if you want to block ?Windows
Update medic Service? Please open services and find it", followed by
screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini .

Yes, but *before* that paragraph, it clearly says:

"How to block any other service and protect the settings"

So it's about blocking *other* (than the Windows Update service)
services.

But granted, it would have been better if there was first a section
for (describing the problem and) the basic solution and later a section
for advanced use.

"Rabid Robot" wrote in message
...
On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:

On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting
the
updates are concerned.

I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a
touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for
you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing
for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full
potential on its own... on purpose anyway.


I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT
with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop
owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it.

On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote:
"Rabid Robot" wrote in message
...
On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:

On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting
the
updates are concerned.

I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a
touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for
you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing
for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full
potential on its own... on purpose anyway.


I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT
with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop
owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it.

So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy
(unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of
the cursor.

--
Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue

Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote:
"Rabid Robot" wrote in message
...
On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:
On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting
the
updates are concerned.
I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a
touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for
you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing
for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full
potential on its own... on purpose anyway.

I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT
with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop
owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it.

So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy
(unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of
the cursor.


I'm surprised you didn't provide instructions on how
to ruin the screen, using cleaning products :-)

Someone telling you "your screen is dirty", does not
mean applying Drano to the screen, or #50 sandpaper.
The screen is normally quite intolerant of a wide range
of cleaning products. But it's also hard to find good
advice on exactly what is safe to use.

I've accidentally removed the AR coating from two monitors over the
years. On the CRT, I was shocked by how shiny the screen
was, after the AR coating had been completely removed.
Alcohol is generally pretty bad for that. The AR
coating may have originally been solvated in propanol
or ethanol or something. But ammonia based cleaners can also be
antagonists.

That doesn't leave a lot of (safe) cleaning options.

It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning
product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened
a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke
residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount
of phosphoric acid in it.

https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero

"Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount
of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s
soft drinks, such as Coca‑Cola Classic, Diet Coke,
Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them
their tartness."

This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car
owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric
acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient.

Paul

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:57 -0400, Paul wrote:

It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning
product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened
a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke
residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount
of phosphoric acid in it.

https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero

"Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount
of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s
soft drinks, such as Coca?Cola Classic, Diet Coke,
Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them
their tartness."

This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car
owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric
acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient.

Not just 'years ago'. Coke still works great to remove rust from chrome
bumpers and trim, bugs from painted surfaces (grille, hood/bonnet,
etc.), and pesky toilet bowl stains. Its use as a cleaner is well
documented. People probably shouldn't really be drinking that stuff.

On 2019-09-12 9:17 a.m., Paul wrote:
Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote:
"Rabid Robot" wrote in message
...
On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:
On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere.
Updates are not a choice anymore.Â* And I have no choice where
deleting the
updates are concerned.
I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a
touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for
you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver
allowing
for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full
potential on its own... on purpose anyway.

I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs.Â* They were of no use to me.Â*
The LT with the cursor that went haywire now works like new.Â*
Imagine, those shop owners thought it was the motherboard and told me
to **** can it.

So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy
(unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of
the cursor.


I'm surprised you didn't provide instructions on how
to ruin the screen, using cleaning products :-)

Someone telling you "your screen is dirty", does not
mean applying Drano to the screen, or #50 sandpaper.
The screen is normally quite intolerant of a wide range
of cleaning products. But it's also hard to find good
advice on exactly what is safe to use.

I've accidentally removed the AR coating from two monitors over the
years. On the CRT, I was shocked by how shiny the screen
was, after the AR coating had been completely removed.
Alcohol is generally pretty bad for that. The AR
coating may have originally been solvated in propanol
or ethanol or something. But ammonia based cleaners can also be
antagonists.

That doesn't leave a lot of (safe) cleaning options.

It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning
product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened
a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke
residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount
of phosphoric acid in it.

https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero


Â*Â* "Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount
Â*Â*Â* of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s
Â*Â*Â* soft drinks, such as Coca‑Cola Classic, Diet Coke,
Â*Â*Â* Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them
Â*Â*Â* their tartness."

This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car
owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric
acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient.

I don't think that people are so retarded that we need to explain to
them how to clean their screens. For my tastes, a small amount of water
on a rag does the job. It removes oils and generally doesn't leave
streaks as long as I dry it immediately. I had a few other cleaning
products over the years too that I bought at Staples but I don't really
see the point anymore when regular h20 does a good job.


--
Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue

On 2019-09-12 11:12 a.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:57 -0400, Paul wrote:

It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning
product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened
a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke
residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount
of phosphoric acid in it.

https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero

"Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount
of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s
soft drinks, such as Coca?Cola Classic, Diet Coke,
Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them
their tartness."

This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car
owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric
acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient.

Not just 'years ago'. Coke still works great to remove rust from chrome
bumpers and trim, bugs from painted surfaces (grille, hood/bonnet,
etc.), and pesky toilet bowl stains. Its use as a cleaner is well
documented. People probably shouldn't really be drinking that stuff.

If only it didn't taste so damned good!

--
Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue