Drive partitions for windows xp installation

purplehaz03 asked wistfully...

|| "Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
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||| purplehaz03 asked wistfully...
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||||| What are you talking about. What purpose does installing apps
||||| (programs) on another partition serve? Like I said, data files on
||||| another partition is good, but why would you install programs on
||||| another partition?
|||
||| Why not?
|||
||
|| You could do it for personal preferences, like I've already stated,
|| but what technical reason or system enhancment would you get from
|| having apps on another partition? None, infact you may take a hit if
|| the program uses the temp folder or files in system32 folder on the
|| c drive. You could do it if you want, but why would you? My point to
|| the op was it's not needed, but could be done if you want.

As those who know have already stated, it depends entirely on the individual
circumstances _and_ the specific app.

For example I use a number of applications which are not installed but are
merely run from wherever one sees fit to place the program and associated
files.
I also use a number of applications which insist on having a large amount of
data installed into the same directory as the app.

Some people who are sufficiently brain-dead to keep everything on a single
partition cannot benefit from having either of these anywhere but on their
single partition.

I on the other hand use Ghost for recovery/experimentation, with this in
mind it makes a lot of sense to keep these programs installed anywhere but
the same partition as the OS.

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"purplehaz03" wrote in message
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"Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
...
purplehaz03 asked wistfully...

|| What are you talking about. What purpose does installing apps
|| (programs) on another partition serve? Like I said, data files on
|| another partition is good, but why would you install programs on
|| another partition?

Why not?


You could do it for personal preferences, like I've already stated, but
what
technical reason or system enhancment would you get from having apps on
another partition? None, infact you may take a hit if the program uses the
temp folder or files in system32 folder on the c drive. You could do it if
you want, but why would you? My point to the op was it's not needed, but
could be done if you want.



Wait, I might have thought of a reason to have apps on another partition. If
you exported and saved the registry to cd, then formatted c drive leaving
apps on d drive alone, install xp on c, then bring the old registry back the
apps might work as normal. I never tried it though so who knows.

"purplehaz03" wrote in message
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"Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
...
purplehaz03 asked wistfully...

|| What are you talking about. What purpose does installing apps
|| (programs) on another partition serve? Like I said, data files on
|| another partition is good, but why would you install programs on
|| another partition?

Why not?


You could do it for personal preferences, like I've already stated, but
what
technical reason or system enhancment would you get from having apps on
another partition? None, infact you may take a hit if the program uses the
temp folder or files in system32 folder on the c drive. You could do it if
you want, but why would you? My point to the op was it's not needed, but
could be done if you want.



Wait, I might have thought of a reason to have apps on another partition. If
you exported and saved the registry to cd, then formatted c drive leaving
apps on d drive alone, install xp on c, then bring the old registry back the
apps might work as normal. I never tried it though so who knows.

"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that NTFS be=20
used and that the system be installed in a single partition on each =
disk.=20
Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed than in previous=20
versions of Windows. Forcing installed software into several =
partitions=20
on the disk necessitates longer seeks when running the system and =
software."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platf...nchmark.asp=20

I have installed Windows XP in several configuations. In every case =
where
Windows XP and all programs are installed on one (1) partition, the =
overall
system performance is quicker. Windows XP is a dynamic O/S, unlike =
previous
versions of Windows. It continually makes dynamic adjustments to =
enhance
performance if a single partition is used.

--=20
Nicholas

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"purplehaz03" wrote in message: =20
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|=20
| For the 1% of the programs that are not tied to the registry or drop a =
file
| in system32 folder, having them on another partition is smart. For the =
99%
| that are tied to the registry and/or system32 folder, there is no =
technical
| reason to do it. To do it would only be for personal preference, not =
to
| really make the system run better or for any other system benefit.

"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that NTFS be=20
used and that the system be installed in a single partition on each =
disk.=20
Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed than in previous=20
versions of Windows. Forcing installed software into several =
partitions=20
on the disk necessitates longer seeks when running the system and =
software."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platf...nchmark.asp=20

I have installed Windows XP in several configuations. In every case =
where
Windows XP and all programs are installed on one (1) partition, the =
overall
system performance is quicker. Windows XP is a dynamic O/S, unlike =
previous
versions of Windows. It continually makes dynamic adjustments to =
enhance
performance if a single partition is used.

--=20
Nicholas

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"purplehaz03" wrote in message: =20
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|=20
| For the 1% of the programs that are not tied to the registry or drop a =
file
| in system32 folder, having them on another partition is smart. For the =
99%
| that are tied to the registry and/or system32 folder, there is no =
technical
| reason to do it. To do it would only be for personal preference, not =
to
| really make the system run better or for any other system benefit.

One point - I have a second partition for my documents, and because other
users use my computer, marked the my documents folder as private.

After re-installing, I set up an identical user name, but I couldn't access
my documents. Luckily I had backed them up on CD, without the security
settings, and so I got them back that way, but it gave me a scare. If I
hadn't backed them up, I might not have been able to access them, as the
user that owned them did, in XP's view, no longer exist.


"sqr" wrote in message
...
As you are new to XP here is my advice regarding the partitions. Having
multiple partitions will protect important files and the like from the OS.
So place XP in the first partition and in the second the data files, but
leave the windows pagefile alone and let the OS control it until you
become
more familiar with it.

When you have Windows installed and running the way you want create an
Image
file and place it on a CD. Also backup the data files and programs and
place
them on a CD as well. When the computer goes south you can get the machine
up and running much quicker then re-installing.

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"Ryan A, Saravanja" wrote in message
...
I'l be installing the windows xp on a clean formatted drive. I read in
PCWorld that it's beneficial to create separate partitions on your
drive.

Partition 1 - Windows XP operating system (so you can reformat if the OS
gets buggy)
Partition 2 - Other files
Partition 3 - windows swap file (prevents fragmentation of the drive)

What are your views on the subject and if you agree what size do you
recommend for the OS and swap file parititions?

Thanks

Ryan

--
Ryan A. Saravanja

One point - I have a second partition for my documents, and because other
users use my computer, marked the my documents folder as private.

After re-installing, I set up an identical user name, but I couldn't access
my documents. Luckily I had backed them up on CD, without the security
settings, and so I got them back that way, but it gave me a scare. If I
hadn't backed them up, I might not have been able to access them, as the
user that owned them did, in XP's view, no longer exist.


"sqr" wrote in message
...
As you are new to XP here is my advice regarding the partitions. Having
multiple partitions will protect important files and the like from the OS.
So place XP in the first partition and in the second the data files, but
leave the windows pagefile alone and let the OS control it until you
become
more familiar with it.

When you have Windows installed and running the way you want create an
Image
file and place it on a CD. Also backup the data files and programs and
place
them on a CD as well. When the computer goes south you can get the machine
up and running much quicker then re-installing.

--
Sqr
Overseer: alt.os.windows-xp
--

http://sqr.servebeer.com
ftp://sqr.myftp.biz


"Ryan A, Saravanja" wrote in message
...
I'l be installing the windows xp on a clean formatted drive. I read in
PCWorld that it's beneficial to create separate partitions on your
drive.

Partition 1 - Windows XP operating system (so you can reformat if the OS
gets buggy)
Partition 2 - Other files
Partition 3 - windows swap file (prevents fragmentation of the drive)

What are your views on the subject and if you agree what size do you
recommend for the OS and swap file parititions?

Thanks

Ryan

--
Ryan A. Saravanja

"Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
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purplehaz03 asked wistfully...

|| "Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
|| ...
||| purplehaz03 asked wistfully...
|||
||||| What are you talking about. What purpose does installing apps
||||| (programs) on another partition serve? Like I said, data files on
||||| another partition is good, but why would you install programs on
||||| another partition?
|||
||| Why not?
|||
||
|| You could do it for personal preferences, like I've already stated,
|| but what technical reason or system enhancment would you get from
|| having apps on another partition? None, infact you may take a hit if
|| the program uses the temp folder or files in system32 folder on the
|| c drive. You could do it if you want, but why would you? My point to
|| the op was it's not needed, but could be done if you want.

As those who know have already stated, it depends entirely on the
individual
circumstances _and_ the specific app.

For example I use a number of applications which are not installed but are
merely run from wherever one sees fit to place the program and associated
files.
I also use a number of applications which insist on having a large amount
of
data installed into the same directory as the app.

Some people who are sufficiently brain-dead to keep everything on a single
partition cannot benefit from having either of these anywhere but on their
single partition.

I on the other hand use Ghost for recovery/experimentation, with this in
mind it makes a lot of sense to keep these programs installed anywhere but
the same partition as the OS.


Ok, good point with ghost, but for programs that don't install, I'd just run
those off the "data" drive. We both agree two or more partitions is good, I
have three myself. We just differ on the installed programs location, but
the ghost point is a good one.

"Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
...
purplehaz03 asked wistfully...

|| "Gazwad" Dont Be So FarKing WeeTarDid wrote in message
|| ...
||| purplehaz03 asked wistfully...
|||
||||| What are you talking about. What purpose does installing apps
||||| (programs) on another partition serve? Like I said, data files on
||||| another partition is good, but why would you install programs on
||||| another partition?
|||
||| Why not?
|||
||
|| You could do it for personal preferences, like I've already stated,
|| but what technical reason or system enhancment would you get from
|| having apps on another partition? None, infact you may take a hit if
|| the program uses the temp folder or files in system32 folder on the
|| c drive. You could do it if you want, but why would you? My point to
|| the op was it's not needed, but could be done if you want.

As those who know have already stated, it depends entirely on the
individual
circumstances _and_ the specific app.

For example I use a number of applications which are not installed but are
merely run from wherever one sees fit to place the program and associated
files.
I also use a number of applications which insist on having a large amount
of
data installed into the same directory as the app.

Some people who are sufficiently brain-dead to keep everything on a single
partition cannot benefit from having either of these anywhere but on their
single partition.

I on the other hand use Ghost for recovery/experimentation, with this in
mind it makes a lot of sense to keep these programs installed anywhere but
the same partition as the OS.


Ok, good point with ghost, but for programs that don't install, I'd just run
those off the "data" drive. We both agree two or more partitions is good, I
have three myself. We just differ on the installed programs location, but
the ghost point is a good one.

That was my point. I meant/said that installing programs on another partiton
was not needed. There is a reason to keep them on one partition though, so
thanks for posting the info.


"Nicholas" wrote in message
...
"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that NTFS be
used and that the system be installed in a single partition on each disk.
Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed than in previous
versions of Windows. Forcing installed software into several partitions
on the disk necessitates longer seeks when running the system and
software."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platf.../benchmark.asp

I have installed Windows XP in several configuations. In every case where
Windows XP and all programs are installed on one (1) partition, the overall
system performance is quicker. Windows XP is a dynamic O/S, unlike previous
versions of Windows. It continually makes dynamic adjustments to enhance
performance if a single partition is used.

--
Nicholas

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"purplehaz03" wrote in message:
...

|
| For the 1% of the programs that are not tied to the registry or drop a
file
| in system32 folder, having them on another partition is smart. For the 99%
| that are tied to the registry and/or system32 folder, there is no
technical
| reason to do it. To do it would only be for personal preference, not to
| really make the system run better or for any other system benefit.

That was my point. I meant/said that installing programs on another partiton
was not needed. There is a reason to keep them on one partition though, so
thanks for posting the info.


"Nicholas" wrote in message
...
"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that NTFS be
used and that the system be installed in a single partition on each disk.
Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed than in previous
versions of Windows. Forcing installed software into several partitions
on the disk necessitates longer seeks when running the system and
software."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platf.../benchmark.asp

I have installed Windows XP in several configuations. In every case where
Windows XP and all programs are installed on one (1) partition, the overall
system performance is quicker. Windows XP is a dynamic O/S, unlike previous
versions of Windows. It continually makes dynamic adjustments to enhance
performance if a single partition is used.

--
Nicholas

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------

"purplehaz03" wrote in message:
...

|
| For the 1% of the programs that are not tied to the registry or drop a
file
| in system32 folder, having them on another partition is smart. For the 99%
| that are tied to the registry and/or system32 folder, there is no
technical
| reason to do it. To do it would only be for personal preference, not to
| really make the system run better or for any other system benefit.

To take ownership of a file or folder

Open Windows Explorer, and then locate the file or folder you want to take
ownership of.

Right-click the file or folder, click Properties, and then click the
Security tab.

Click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.

In the Change owner to box, click the new owner.

(Optional) To change the owner of all subcontainers and objects within the
tree, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check box.



Notes:

To open Windows Explorer, click Start, point to All Programs, point to
Accessories, and then click Windows Explorer.

If you are not joined to a domain and want to view the Security tab, see To
display the Security tab.

You can transfer ownership in two ways:

The current owner can grant the Take ownership permission to others,
allowing those users to take ownership at any time.

An administrator can take ownership of any file on the computer. However,
the administrator cannot transfer ownership to others. This restriction
keeps the administrator accountable.

In Windows XP Professional, the Everyone group no longer includes the
Anonymous Logon group.





"David A Gourlay" wrote in message
...
One point - I have a second partition for my documents, and because other
users use my computer, marked the my documents folder as private.

After re-installing, I set up an identical user name, but I couldn't
access
my documents. Luckily I had backed them up on CD, without the security
settings, and so I got them back that way, but it gave me a scare. If I
hadn't backed them up, I might not have been able to access them, as the
user that owned them did, in XP's view, no longer exist.


"sqr" wrote in message
...
As you are new to XP here is my advice regarding the partitions. Having
multiple partitions will protect important files and the like from the O
S.
So place XP in the first partition and in the second the data files, but
leave the windows pagefile alone and let the OS control it until you
become
more familiar with it.

When you have Windows installed and running the way you want create an
Image
file and place it on a CD. Also backup the data files and programs and
place
them on a CD as well. When the computer goes south you can get the
machine
up and running much quicker then re-installing.

--
Sqr
Overseer: alt.os.windows-xp
--

http://sqr.servebeer.com
ftp://sqr.myftp.biz


"Ryan A, Saravanja" wrote in message
...
I'l be installing the windows xp on a clean formatted drive. I read
in
PCWorld that it's beneficial to create separate partitions on your
drive.

Partition 1 - Windows XP operating system (so you can reformat if the
OS
gets buggy)
Partition 2 - Other files
Partition 3 - windows swap file (prevents fragmentation of the drive)

What are your views on the subject and if you agree what size do you
recommend for the OS and swap file parititions?

Thanks

Ryan

--
Ryan A. Saravanja

To take ownership of a file or folder

Open Windows Explorer, and then locate the file or folder you want to take
ownership of.

Right-click the file or folder, click Properties, and then click the
Security tab.

Click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.

In the Change owner to box, click the new owner.

(Optional) To change the owner of all subcontainers and objects within the
tree, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check box.



Notes:

To open Windows Explorer, click Start, point to All Programs, point to
Accessories, and then click Windows Explorer.

If you are not joined to a domain and want to view the Security tab, see To
display the Security tab.

You can transfer ownership in two ways:

The current owner can grant the Take ownership permission to others,
allowing those users to take ownership at any time.

An administrator can take ownership of any file on the computer. However,
the administrator cannot transfer ownership to others. This restriction
keeps the administrator accountable.

In Windows XP Professional, the Everyone group no longer includes the
Anonymous Logon group.





"David A Gourlay" wrote in message
...
One point - I have a second partition for my documents, and because other
users use my computer, marked the my documents folder as private.

After re-installing, I set up an identical user name, but I couldn't
access
my documents. Luckily I had backed them up on CD, without the security
settings, and so I got them back that way, but it gave me a scare. If I
hadn't backed them up, I might not have been able to access them, as the
user that owned them did, in XP's view, no longer exist.


"sqr" wrote in message
...
As you are new to XP here is my advice regarding the partitions. Having
multiple partitions will protect important files and the like from the O
S.
So place XP in the first partition and in the second the data files, but
leave the windows pagefile alone and let the OS control it until you
become
more familiar with it.

When you have Windows installed and running the way you want create an
Image
file and place it on a CD. Also backup the data files and programs and
place
them on a CD as well. When the computer goes south you can get the
machine
up and running much quicker then re-installing.

--
Sqr
Overseer: alt.os.windows-xp
--

http://sqr.servebeer.com
ftp://sqr.myftp.biz


"Ryan A, Saravanja" wrote in message
...
I'l be installing the windows xp on a clean formatted drive. I read
in
PCWorld that it's beneficial to create separate partitions on your
drive.

Partition 1 - Windows XP operating system (so you can reformat if the
OS
gets buggy)
Partition 2 - Other files
Partition 3 - windows swap file (prevents fragmentation of the drive)

What are your views on the subject and if you agree what size do you
recommend for the OS and swap file parititions?

Thanks

Ryan

--
Ryan A. Saravanja

Goog God almighty, lets beat this one and each other for all their worth.
1. Fragmentation will happen with any DOS Windows OS reguardless.
2. Partition 1 "C" no more than 8 gigs, more than 8 gigs and the clusters
start to grow above 4 Kbs.use this for the OS
3. Partition2 "D" Max 8 gigs as above, use for office apps.
4. Partition"E" MP3's etc music, video etc.
5. Partition "F" Graphics Image edition stuff
6. Partition "G" Gamer here is where the games go.

And so on, I dedicate specific partitions to specific jobs and that way I
keep things tidy. It works for me and later if you get tight somewhere
Partition Magic 7 or better can enlarge or shrink partitions in a
non-destructive manner.

Last, you can creats a seperate smaller partition for the swap file. Usually
make it twice the size of your system RAM. If you want to do this make it
the "D" partition though and than after you load the OS go into control
panel and than system, click virtual memory and check the button that allows
you to specify your own settings and tell it to use your "D" partition or
what ever one you intend to use for the swap file.
Hang in there.

Goog God almighty, lets beat this one and each other for all their worth.
1. Fragmentation will happen with any DOS Windows OS reguardless.
2. Partition 1 "C" no more than 8 gigs, more than 8 gigs and the clusters
start to grow above 4 Kbs.use this for the OS
3. Partition2 "D" Max 8 gigs as above, use for office apps.
4. Partition"E" MP3's etc music, video etc.
5. Partition "F" Graphics Image edition stuff
6. Partition "G" Gamer here is where the games go.

And so on, I dedicate specific partitions to specific jobs and that way I
keep things tidy. It works for me and later if you get tight somewhere
Partition Magic 7 or better can enlarge or shrink partitions in a
non-destructive manner.

Last, you can creats a seperate smaller partition for the swap file. Usually
make it twice the size of your system RAM. If you want to do this make it
the "D" partition though and than after you load the OS go into control
panel and than system, click virtual memory and check the button that allows
you to specify your own settings and tell it to use your "D" partition or
what ever one you intend to use for the swap file.
Hang in there.