What happened to colors?

Slimer wrote on 1/13/2016 5:37 PM:
On 2016-01-13 5:29 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 01/02/16 20:26, John Doe so wittily quipped:
The Settings window outline color is controlled by two separate registry
entries.

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\TitleText (most of it)

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\ButtonText (just the top)

Don't know why it is controlled by "Text" entries.

For the not so technically inclined, here's a picture...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/275322...in/photostream

Remember when the Windows startup logo was colorful? Apparently
abandoning that is related to the destruction of desktop
personalization.

Microsoft is flailing. It's trying to dominate/monopolize the
ultraportable PC market while it lets the Windows desktop crumble.

Will be fun to watch, one way or the other, shouldn't be very long
before Microsoft goes under or gets bailed out.

oh, noze! not ANOTHER BAILOUT!

Seriously, though, PC sales are DROPPING

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01...ror_pc_market/

and 2 years ago, 7 machines FLEW off of shelves while 8 machines
COLLECTED DUST. That's because Sinofsky's 2D "limited color" interface
STINKS compared to the 3D skeumorphic look of 7 and earlier.

OPTIONS and COLORS and 3D SKEUMORPHIC is what sold windows 3.x, and was
a BIG part of '9x's success.

Microsoft should learn from their successes as WELL as their failures,
and adopt those things that WORK, instead of trying to CHANGE THE
CUSTOMER to ACCEPT the mediocre.

Is it possible that people aren't buying PCs simply because the need for
extra power simply isn't there? Let's face it, if you bought a PC in say
1982, it was worse than obsolete by 1984 and you had to upgrade. This
was more or less what always happened until about 2000. However, by
then, the needs more or less remained the same and to be honest, a PC
from 2005 is still very useful today. Is it possible that people are
simply holding onto their hardware for longer and don't see the need for
a PC in general anymore when they have smartphones and tablets for their
modest needs?



The only reason I bought a new PC in August was because my 2006 PC
lacked the ability to run W10. Otherwise it was just fine. The new one
is spiffy but, frankly, doesn't do anything I do much better than the
old one.

The days of every year bringing wildly improved hardware are gone. CPU
improvements are just incremental. Onboard graphics are nearly as good
as separate boards. Unless you're talking about gaming systems the
average user likely won't find noticeable performance improvements by
upgrading ten-year old hardware today if they bought state-of-the-art hw
in 2006.

I think Moore's Law has outlived its age.


--
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Real programmers don't comment their code. It was damned hard to write
in the first place, and it should be damned hard to understand!

Hardware improvements have always been incremental. The "days of every
year bring bringing wildly improved hardware" never happened in reality.

Recently, multicore CPUs have provided huge improvements in processing
power and performance. And ultraportable PC hardware design is booming.

Wordprocessing never drove PC hardware. Engineering, recreation, and
gaming still does.


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Slimer wrote on 1/13/2016 5:37 PM:
On 2016-01-13 5:29 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 01/02/16 20:26, John Doe so wittily quipped:
The Settings window outline color is controlled by two separate registry
entries.

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\TitleText (most of it)

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\ButtonText (just the top)

Don't know why it is controlled by "Text" entries.

For the not so technically inclined, here's a picture...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210 N04/23772061359/in/photostream

Remember when the Windows startup logo was colorful? Apparently
abandoning that is related to the destruction of desktop
personalization.

Microsoft is flailing. It's trying to dominate/monopolize the
ultraportable PC market while it lets the Windows desktop crumble.

Will be fun to watch, one way or the other, shouldn't be very long
before Microsoft goes under or gets bailed out.

oh, noze! not ANOTHER BAILOUT!

Seriously, though, PC sales are DROPPING

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01...ror_pc_market/

and 2 years ago, 7 machines FLEW off of shelves while 8 machines
COLLECTED DUST. That's because Sinofsky's 2D "limited color" interface
STINKS compared to the 3D skeumorphic look of 7 and earlier.

OPTIONS and COLORS and 3D SKEUMORPHIC is what sold windows 3.x, and was
a BIG part of '9x's success.

Microsoft should learn from their successes as WELL as their failures,
and adopt those things that WORK, instead of trying to CHANGE THE
CUSTOMER to ACCEPT the mediocre.

Is it possible that people aren't buying PCs simply because the need for
extra power simply isn't there? Let's face it, if you bought a PC in say
1982, it was worse than obsolete by 1984 and you had to upgrade. This
was more or less what always happened until about 2000. However, by
then, the needs more or less remained the same and to be honest, a PC
from 2005 is still very useful today. Is it possible that people are
simply holding onto their hardware for longer and don't see the need for
a PC in general anymore when they have smartphones and tablets for their
modest needs?



The only reason I bought a new PC in August was because my 2006 PC
lacked the ability to run W10. Otherwise it was just fine. The new one
is spiffy but, frankly, doesn't do anything I do much better than the
old one.

The days of every year bringing wildly improved hardware are gone. CPU
improvements are just incremental. Onboard graphics are nearly as good
as separate boards. Unless you're talking about gaming systems the
average user likely won't find noticeable performance improvements by
upgrading ten-year old hardware today if they bought state-of-the-art hw
in 2006.

I think Moore's Law has outlived its age.


--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
Real programmers don't comment their code. It was damned hard to write
in the first place, and it should be damned hard to understand!

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:52:34 -0500, "Jake"
wrote:


"Slimer" wrote in message ...

Remember when the Windows startup logo was colorful? Apparently
abandoning that is related to the destruction of desktop
personalization.

Seriously? You're complaining that the Windows logo is no longer
colourful? Are you aware that styles and fashion changes? After all,
even Apple's logo used to have colours in it only to become a single
tone in the late 90s. If anything the new look for both Windows and
Apple's logos looks more professional.


As far as I'm concerned, more important than awareness of styles and
fashions is that the startup logo is such a piddling small point. Of
all the improvements I wish Microsoft would make, that's very close to
the bottom of the list.

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:52:34 -0500, "Jake"
wrote:


"Slimer" wrote in message ...

Remember when the Windows startup logo was colorful? Apparently
abandoning that is related to the destruction of desktop
personalization.

Seriously? You're complaining that the Windows logo is no longer
colourful? Are you aware that styles and fashion changes? After all,
even Apple's logo used to have colours in it only to become a single
tone in the late 90s. If anything the new look for both Windows and
Apple's logos looks more professional.


As far as I'm concerned, more important than awareness of styles and
fashions is that the startup logo is such a piddling small point. Of
all the improvements I wish Microsoft would make, that's very close to
the bottom of the list.

All the moaning here is from clueless dicks without lives.

They should get used to it or move to a Mac or Linux. Windows 10 is here
to stay, and the other Windows OS's will become obsolete.

"Slimer" wrote in message ...

On 2016-01-13 5:29 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 01/02/16 20:26, John Doe so wittily quipped:
The Settings window outline color is controlled by two separate registry
entries.

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\TitleText (most of it)

HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\ButtonText (just the top)

Don't know why it is controlled by "Text" entries.

For the not so technically inclined, here's a picture...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/275322...in/photostream

Remember when the Windows startup logo was colorful? Apparently
abandoning that is related to the destruction of desktop
personalization.

Microsoft is flailing. It's trying to dominate/monopolize the
ultraportable PC market while it lets the Windows desktop crumble.

Will be fun to watch, one way or the other, shouldn't be very long
before Microsoft goes under or gets bailed out.

oh, noze! not ANOTHER BAILOUT!

Seriously, though, PC sales are DROPPING

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01...ror_pc_market/

and 2 years ago, 7 machines FLEW off of shelves while 8 machines
COLLECTED DUST. That's because Sinofsky's 2D "limited color" interface
STINKS compared to the 3D skeumorphic look of 7 and earlier.

OPTIONS and COLORS and 3D SKEUMORPHIC is what sold windows 3.x, and was
a BIG part of '9x's success.

Microsoft should learn from their successes as WELL as their failures,
and adopt those things that WORK, instead of trying to CHANGE THE
CUSTOMER to ACCEPT the mediocre.

Is it possible that people aren't buying PCs simply because the need for
extra power simply isn't there? Let's face it, if you bought a PC in say
1982, it was worse than obsolete by 1984 and you had to upgrade. This
was more or less what always happened until about 2000. However, by
then, the needs more or less remained the same and to be honest, a PC
from 2005 is still very useful today. Is it possible that people are
simply holding onto their hardware for longer and don't see the need for
a PC in general anymore when they have smartphones and tablets for their
modest needs?

Good point. I think you're right on.

John Doe wrote:
Hardware improvements have always been incremental. The "days of every
year bring bringing wildly improved hardware" never happened in reality.

Recently, multicore CPUs have provided huge improvements in processing
power and performance. And ultraportable PC hardware design is booming.

Wordprocessing never drove PC hardware. Engineering, recreation, and
gaming still does.

Actually, software is not using your improved
hardware all that well. I'm surprised you haven't
noticed this.

To give an example....

I install a copy of LibreOffice 5.
I attempt to use Calc, to import a list of
ordered pairs, and prepare a Chart so I can
spot trends.

LibreOffice 5 runs for 4 minutes in a loop,
not responding to input. It's "working" on my
chart. Lord knows how it takes four minutes to
make a chart.

Using Task Manager, it allocated 4MB/sec of RAM
for itself. My computer is capable of dealing
with RAM, at 17,000MB/sec. But the program
is crawling along at 4MB/sec, doing whatever
it is doing.

It crawls along on one core. My processor has
many cores. The errant process is rails on
just one core.

After four minutes, and after having consumed
1GB of memory, the program crashes. I don't
actually get to see my chart. I end up using
GNUPlot to make a chart.

Even with a 32 bit process, running on a 64 bit
OS, the memory allocation should have been able
to run above 1GB total. My machine has 64GB of memory,
and only a fraction of it got used, before
the program wobbled and crashed.

So let's study how well we did...

1) CPU - 6 cores. LibreOffice - 1 core.
2) Malloc, benched best case at around 2GB/sec.
Stream read/write/copy, around 17GB/sec.
Libreoffice operation, 4MB/sec (a factor
of 500 compared to the best written software).
3) Total system memory - 64GB
32 bit process on a 64 bit system, maybe 4GB max.
LibreOffice - stopped at 1GB, for reasons unknown.

If you write software that bad, what good is
an improved computer hardware ???

The software simply isn't using the hardware
in an effective way.

And don't get me started on Firefox. 1GB of RAM
to open the Yahoo news page (a page I visited, when
someone complained it was slow). Well, now I
have some idea why it might be slow.

I have another example. My week long computing run.
Why did it run for a week ? Because the program,
Microsoft ICE, processed a problem at the
grand rate of 1MB/sec. Even if you parse
a file, one character at a time, you can
do better than that. And Microsoft ICE
is equipped with the telemetry system, that
allows the developer to "see" just how
crappy the performance I'm getting is. This
is why I left the program running for a week,
so I could be assured at least one telemetry
record would be deposited in the dudes Inbox.

The fastest my frickin hardware gets, the
slower my results come back.

So the situation is worse than stagnant.
The situation is actually going backwards.
Software is driving us back to the stone age.

Paul

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:26:48 -0500, "Jake"
wrote:

They should get used to it or move to a Mac or Linux.


I complete agree. If you don't like something, use something else
instead. Don't complain about it in a place like this, which is here
to help people with their problems.

Complainers quickly end up in my killfile.

Some of the people pointing out faults in Windows 10 have loads more
technical knowledge and experience than these not-quite-grown-ups
talking about their imaginary kill file friends as if anybody needs to
know...

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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:26:48 -0500, "Jake" jakethesnake aol.com
wrote:

They should get used to it or move to a Mac or Linux.


I complete agree. If you don't like something, use something else
instead. Don't complain about it in a place like this, which is here
to help people with their problems.

Complainers quickly end up in my killfile.

I think it became colours
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:49:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:26:48 -0500, "Jake"
wrote:

They should get used to it or move to a Mac or Linux.


I complete agree. If you don't like something, use something else
instead. Don't complain about it in a place like this, which is here
to help people with their problems.

Complainers quickly end up in my killfile.