Homegroup fiasco

On my home network I have several PCs.
Two Win 7 PCs are set up with HomeGroup.

On this Win 10 Laptop I go to make a homegroup connection.
It says it see my Win 7 PC as a homegroup and allows me to proceed to
connect.

I input the homegroup password and wait.

After a while it comes back and say:
Window no longer detects a homegroup on this network.

What the hell !!!

Tried several times with same results.

Additionally apps that work on Win 7 PCs (several) have big problems on
Win 10.

This Win 10 is up to date per update.

What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.

On 12/01/2016 01:18 PM, AbusedByWin10 wrote:
On my home network I have several PCs.
Two Win 7 PCs are set up with HomeGroup.

On this Win 10 Laptop I go to make a homegroup connection.
It says it see my Win 7 PC as a homegroup and allows me to proceed to
connect.

I input the homegroup password and wait.

After a while it comes back and say:
Window no longer detects a homegroup on this network.

What the hell !!!

Tried several times with same results.

Additionally apps that work on Win 7 PCs (several) have big problems on
Win 10.

This Win 10 is up to date per update.

What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.

Interesting. Not that you have a valid problem but I thought I'd boot
my win10 machine and look. It was win7 that got updated to 8.1 and 7
and 8 both used Homegroup no matter what we did. My wife got a new PC
and went from 7 to 8 and it worked. I change to 8 since she had it so I
could support her and the same homegroup kept on working on mine.

Now we're both on 10, our printer is now wireless, so not shared. We
use google drive to drop and move things probably because networking and
homegroup and sharing just was problematic at best. May have worked
but heck, drive always did. Anyway, I haven't used homegroup in years.
And low and behold windows 10 has forgotten my homegroup settings.
Not only that but it said I couldn't connect because I was not on a
private network. So someplace it made me public?? WTF!!! At least I'm
behind a router, but still!!

Just my experience. I don't care like I said, I don't use it.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:18:17 -0800, AbusedByWin10
wrote:


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


I completely disagree.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.


I am replying that Windows 10 is fine, not to tell you about anything,
but for the benefit of others reading here. I am *not* a Microsoft
shill. I think Microsoft does some things fine and others poorly. I
think some Microsoft products are excellent and others (for example
Edge, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail) are very poor.

And I run applications from many manufacturers. Only a few of them are
from Microsoft.

AbusedByWin10 wrote:
On my home network I have several PCs.
Two Win 7 PCs are set up with HomeGroup.

On this Win 10 Laptop I go to make a homegroup connection.
It says it see my Win 7 PC as a homegroup and allows me to proceed to
connect.

I input the homegroup password and wait.

After a while it comes back and say:
Window no longer detects a homegroup on this network.

What the hell !!!

Tried several times with same results.

Additionally apps that work on Win 7 PCs (several) have big problems on
Win 10.

This Win 10 is up to date per update.

What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.

This thread has some suggestions.

http://www.tenforums.com/network-sha...homegroup.html

"The Peer Networking Grouping and
HomeGroup Provider services must
both be running. "

But there's actually a bunch of stuff
they tried.

And I've had problems reading the web pages on
that site just now. I could read it on MSEdge
but some of my other browsers, the text was
missing. It smells of "cookie/Javascript" evil.

Paul

On 12/1/2016 at 2:00 PM, Ken Blake's prodigious digits fired off:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:18:17 -0800, AbusedByWin10
wrote:


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


I completely disagree.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.


I am replying that Windows 10 is fine, not to tell you about anything,
but for the benefit of others reading here. I am *not* a Microsoft
shill. I think Microsoft does some things fine and others poorly. I
think some Microsoft products are excellent and others (for example
Edge, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail) are very poor.

And I run applications from many manufacturers. Only a few of them are
from Microsoft.


+1

I use MS Office and very few Windows included programs. I have 113
non-MS programs installed. Many are rarely used but they're there when I
do need them.


--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
DUMBWAITER: One who asks if the kids would care to order dessert.

On 12/1/2016 at 1:18 PM, AbusedByWin10's prodigious digits fired off:
On my home network I have several PCs.
Two Win 7 PCs are set up with HomeGroup.

On this Win 10 Laptop I go to make a homegroup connection.
It says it see my Win 7 PC as a homegroup and allows me to proceed to
connect.

I input the homegroup password and wait.

After a while it comes back and say:
Window no longer detects a homegroup on this network.

What the hell !!!

Tried several times with same results.

Additionally apps that work on Win 7 PCs (several) have big problems on
Win 10.

This Win 10 is up to date per update.

You might try not using Homegroups. I simply use Windows networking and
share the folder/files/drives on my various PCs (W10 and W7) as I want.
Never had an issue from day one with Windows 10.


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


Have to disagree.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill

Nope.

or you just do not have anything except MS applications.

I use MS Office and very few Windows included programs. I have 113
non-MS programs installed. Many are rarely used but they're there when I
do need them.



--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
"We win justice quickest by rendering justice to the other party." -
Mohandas Gandhi

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 14:12:32 -0500, Ed Mullen
wrote:

On 12/1/2016 at 2:00 PM, Ken Blake's prodigious digits fired off:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:18:17 -0800, AbusedByWin10
wrote:


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


I completely disagree.


Please don't tell me your Win 10 is fine as you are probably a MS shill
or you just do not have anything except MS applications.


I am replying that Windows 10 is fine, not to tell you about anything,
but for the benefit of others reading here. I am *not* a Microsoft
shill. I think Microsoft does some things fine and others poorly. I
think some Microsoft products are excellent and others (for example
Edge, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail) are very poor.

And I run applications from many manufacturers. Only a few of them are
from Microsoft.


+1

I use MS Office and very few Windows included programs. I have 113
non-MS programs installed. Many are rarely used but they're there when I
do need them.


Same here. I use only Outlook and Excel from Microsoft Office. I might
be forgetting a program or two, but as best I remember, those are the
only two Microsoft programs I often use.

The major non-Microsoft programs I frequently use are

WordPerfect
Agent
Quicken
Firefox
Evernote
Agent Ransack
Everything
FeedDemon
Sumatra PDF
KeePass
LastPass
ImgBurn
Google Earth
IrfanView
Kaspersky
MalwareBytes AntiMalware
Autohotkey
WizMouse
WinPatrol
Ax
Deep Fritz
Rybka

And lots of others, used less frequently.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:18:17 -0800, AbusedByWin10
wrote:


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


I completely disagree.


I have found the easiest way to make connection between computer is to
forget the Homegroup. As you say the Homegroup has some problem,
especially when it comes to establishing permissions.

I have found the best way to establish inter computer connections
through the LAN is as follows.

1. Forget or delete the Homegroup on every computer, You don't have to
but it made me feel better.

2. On every computer that has a directory you wish to share, go into
the properties of that folder and share it giving all permissions.

3. On each computer you wish to access a shared directory: This PC,
Map Network Drive, Assign a drive letter to each network folder you
wish to access.

I have done this on three computers, and once I map the drive I have not
had one problem with permissions. Using the home group nearly every
time I tried to use a shared network folder I found I was fighting with
permissions to do what I wanted to do.

On 12/2/2016 at 11:29 AM, Keith Nuttle's prodigious digits fired off:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:18:17 -0800, AbusedByWin10
wrote:


What a piece of crap is Windows 10.


I completely disagree.


I have found the easiest way to make connection between computer is to
forget the Homegroup. As you say the Homegroup has some problem,
especially when it comes to establishing permissions.

I have found the best way to establish inter computer connections
through the LAN is as follows.

1. Forget or delete the Homegroup on every computer, You don't have to
but it made me feel better.

2. On every computer that has a directory you wish to share, go into
the properties of that folder and share it giving all permissions.

3. On each computer you wish to access a shared directory: This PC,
Map Network Drive, Assign a drive letter to each network folder you
wish to access.

I have done this on three computers, and once I map the drive I have not
had one problem with permissions. Using the home group nearly every
time I tried to use a shared network folder I found I was fighting with
permissions to do what I wanted to do.

Good advice as long as, like here, no one from outside can access the
network. It's what I do here except I've shared entire drives.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder these days no one talks
about seeing UFOs like they used to?

In article
Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 14:12:32 -0500, Ed Mullen
wrote:

The major non-Microsoft programs I frequently use are

WordPerfect
Agent=20
Quicken
=46irefox
Evernote
Agent Ransack
Everything
=46eedDemon
Sumatra PDF
KeePass
LastPass
ImgBurn
Google Earth
IrfanView
Kaspersky
MalwareBytes AntiMalware=20
Autohotkey
WizMouse
WinPatrol
Ax
Deep Fritz
Rybka


Win Patrol has turned into lurking spyware since it was sod off.
You're better off uninstalling. I trashed 5 lifetime licemses.
While you at it dump Ransack. You're covered ny Everything. Besides
File Locator Lite is Ransack w/o the juvenility.

Last Pass... sure share your pwds with everyone. Keepass is enough.
Just dropbox it to other locations as required.

And Quicken... what a POS. Hasn't been stable (now worse than ever)
for the past 5 years.

Google Earth? Pray tell why. What an overgrown bloated mess.

Lastly Sumatra... it's no longer trendy. Acrobat Reader DC is lite
and run cirlcles around everyone else.

You are WELCOME !!!

O wait... how did I miss the Word Perfect dinosaur? Better free
stuff online by Google/Microsoft