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Excellent article about Linux
Paul wrote:
Dan Purgert wrote: Bobbie Sellers wrote: On 1/9/19 5:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 30/12/2018 14.00, Nomen Nescio wrote: [...] It takes 1000% more work to make it approximately half as productive as a Mac or Windows PC. Maybe you are a less than able human? :-P [...] But whenever I encounter Windows and I do at large intervals find myself dealing with my own copy of same or someone else's Windows installation and it takes me 200% more effort to get even the preparation for the installation of a dual-boot system as it does to install Linux to a naked disk. Makes sense - you do have to actually /prepare/ the system if you're gonna be dual-booting. It's gotten easier with GPT partitioning, but if their computer is still using MBR, it's a right pain. And it's nice that you have the _choice_ to dual-boot with *nix installers. Fairly certain to this day, Win installation media has one option - "Blow it all away and give me the entire drive". You would be surprised how tolerant an MBR partitioning strategy can be with multiple OSes. Oh, it's just dealing with "oh, you're out of primary partitions, because Windows needed the install partition, the backup partition, and the install media partition, and your OEM decidied to make you a 'data' partition as well ... amazing ... okay, what can we delete without too much harm today?" Good to hear though that the installers have gotten smarter in recent revisions (last dual-boot I had was 7, and that never ran into "ugh, time to format and reinstall win"). -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Excellent article about Linux
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/01/2019 12.23, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] And it's nice that you have the _choice_ to dual-boot with *nix installers. Fairly certain to this day, Win installation media has one option - "Blow it all away and give me the entire drive". No, not true. I have installed Windows with Microsoft media taking only part of the disk, and it was trivial to do so. Good to hear that's changed then. By default, the Linux installs I know also take the whole new disk for Linux. Dunno what distros you're running with -- Debian and children don't do that, unless the drive's clean. Though, admittedly, I haven't installed Debian on a drive with another OS in some time; maybe they have changed it. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 10/01/2019 15.03, Dan Purgert wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote: On 10/01/2019 12.23, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] And it's nice that you have the _choice_ to dual-boot with *nix installers. Fairly certain to this day, Win installation media has one option - "Blow it all away and give me the entire drive". No, not true. I have installed Windows with Microsoft media taking only part of the disk, and it was trivial to do so. Good to hear that's changed then. I tried it with the server 2008 edition, and the corresponding "user" edition, in several combinations. By default, the Linux installs I know also take the whole new disk for Linux. Dunno what distros you're running with -- Debian and children don't do that, unless the drive's clean. I said "new disk", ie, a clean disk :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 10/01/2019 15.01, Dan Purgert wrote:
Paul wrote: Dan Purgert wrote: Bobbie Sellers wrote: On 1/9/19 5:43 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 30/12/2018 14.00, Nomen Nescio wrote: [...] It takes 1000% more work to make it approximately half as productive as a Mac or Windows PC. Maybe you are a less than able human? :-P [...] But whenever I encounter Windows and I do at large intervals find myself dealing with my own copy of same or someone else's Windows installation and it takes me 200% more effort to get even the preparation for the installation of a dual-boot system as it does to install Linux to a naked disk. Makes sense - you do have to actually /prepare/ the system if you're gonna be dual-booting. It's gotten easier with GPT partitioning, but if their computer is still using MBR, it's a right pain. And it's nice that you have the _choice_ to dual-boot with *nix installers. Fairly certain to this day, Win installation media has one option - "Blow it all away and give me the entire drive". You would be surprised how tolerant an MBR partitioning strategy can be with multiple OSes. Oh, it's just dealing with "oh, you're out of primary partitions, because Windows needed the install partition, the backup partition, and the install media partition, and your OEM decidied to make you a 'data' partition as well ... amazing ... okay, what can we delete without too much harm today?" All that is not Microsoft doing, but the computer manufacturer or OEM. Windows itself installs to a single partition, sometimes with a separate small boot partition. We have to put the blame where it is due ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 1/10/19 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/01/2019 15.03, Dan Purgert wrote: Carlos E.R. wrote: On 10/01/2019 12.23, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] And it's nice that you have the _choice_ to dual-boot with *nix installers. Fairly certain to this day, Win installation media has one option - "Blow it all away and give me the entire drive". No, not true. I have installed Windows with Microsoft media taking only part of the disk, and it was trivial to do so. Good to hear that's changed then. I tried it with the server 2008 edition, and the corresponding "user" edition, in several combinations. By default, the Linux installs I know also take the whole new disk for Linux. Dunno what distros you're running with -- Debian and children don't do that, unless the drive's clean. Ubuntu? It's derivative systems such as Mate Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio? I said "new disk", ie, a clean disk :-) With a Windows machine that someone wants to make dual/multiple-boot you have to figure out how the installation of Windows was done. I prefer UEFI to start with, I go into Windows, a horrid experience, and find the disk management soft- ware which the installer sometimes seems to hide away. Then using the Windows software I reduce the size of the Windows volume as far as possible. Once that is done I might do a test reboot to see if the changes are solid and that Windows will run if that is important to the user who should have backed up the system. Then I reboot with GPartEd Live CD and make partitions for /boot, Swap, /(root, /usr and /home, sized according to my intentions for use. If I want multiple boots on the test bed I set up for the test machines about 26-30 GiB /(root) and /home. I label the partition according to the intended use. Of course such an elaborate scheme is hard to implement on the old system but very easy with the GPT, using primary partitions all the way. On the test bed my main OS is PCLinuxOS 64 and so the labels go PCbt, PCrt, PCur, and PCHome. Some of the later distributions do have grabby ways but persistence with installers may help. On Deepin which seems to have interesting and possibly useful tools my first attempt was a simple install it grabbed the rest of the disk and on first attempt to use advanced installation I had to give up, but the other day I got it to use 30 GB root and 30 GiB home partitions. After doing updates I got several tools useful to me installed: Synaptic, Kb3, Kate and KWrite from the Debian repositories. A lot more to play with there and test. Nice GUI in Fashionable mode and useful in the Efficient mode. I do a lot of installs with different systems for test purposes. Qubes sounds interesting and on hard disk had no problems, but on a Flash Drive of 64 GiB it failed to copy the templates it uses for the internal OSes of Fedora, Debian and Whonix. It runs these in separate Virtual Machine containers and you have to use a terminal in each to do updates. The purpose is to isolate questionable processes. Also it would run faster of course from an SSD with a high end processor. It would be far more useful in a Windows version which is where more questionable software is found or for developers. Has anyone written an excellent article about Linux yet in this thread? The article originally referenced was a sales pitch for Windows as far as I could see. bliss -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com |
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Excellent article about Linux
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/01/2019 15.03, Dan Purgert wrote: Carlos E.R. wrote: [...] By default, the Linux installs I know also take the whole new disk for Linux. Dunno what distros you're running with -- Debian and children don't do that, unless the drive's clean. I said "new disk", ie, a clean disk :-) misread that as "whole disk" -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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