Annoying printers

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?Â* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP. It's an Epson.

On 09/30/2018 01:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?Â* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right?Â* [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP.Â* It's an Epson.
Well my Canon does pretty much the same thing.
Turn it on and print and it takes 3 minutes to print page 1. Page 2 is
seconds, etc.
Not sure about the black and white and the use of color inks.
Pretty sure my driver, or the user interface, remembers settings. I do
know the one I'm interested in, duplex, is usually always set.

I get the XL tanks and they seem to have a good amount of ink. But
they're inkjets, and consumer products, they aren't meant for high
production.

Al

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:40:32 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 01:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP. It's an Epson.
Well my Canon does pretty much the same thing.
Turn it on and print and it takes 3 minutes to print page 1. Page 2 is
seconds, etc.
Not sure about the black and white and the use of color inks.
Pretty sure my driver, or the user interface, remembers settings. I do
know the one I'm interested in, duplex, is usually always set.

I get the XL tanks and they seem to have a good amount of ink. But
they're inkjets, and consumer products, they aren't meant for high
production.

I had to retrofit mine with a continuous ink system. I'm not printing 1000s of sheets, just 30 at a time. 13ml in a cartridge? WTF?

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:40:32 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 01:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP. It's an Epson.
Well my Canon does pretty much the same thing.
Turn it on and print and it takes 3 minutes to print page 1. Page 2 is
seconds, etc.
Not sure about the black and white and the use of color inks.
Pretty sure my driver, or the user interface, remembers settings. I do
know the one I'm interested in, duplex, is usually always set.

I get the XL tanks and they seem to have a good amount of ink. But
they're inkjets, and consumer products, they aren't meant for high
production.

I forgot to mention the ****ing annoying animations they insist on putting into dialog boxes. I don't need a cartoon to tell me paper is going into the printer, I can ****ing see it for myself! Another thing mine does is warn me with a dialog box that the printer is "not ready to print" - i.e. I've turned it off as I'm finished with it!

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:04:42 +0100, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:40:32 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 01:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP. It's an Epson.
Well my Canon does pretty much the same thing.
Turn it on and print and it takes 3 minutes to print page 1. Page 2 is
seconds, etc.
Not sure about the black and white and the use of color inks.
Pretty sure my driver, or the user interface, remembers settings. I do
know the one I'm interested in, duplex, is usually always set.

I get the XL tanks and they seem to have a good amount of ink. But
they're inkjets, and consumer products, they aren't meant for high
production.

I forgot to mention the ****ing annoying animations they insist on putting into dialog boxes. I don't need a cartoon to tell me paper is going into the printer, I can ****ing see it for myself! Another thing mine does is warn me with a dialog box that the printer is "not ready to print" - i.e. I've turned it off as I'm finished with it!

And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints the other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are dumbasses.

On 09/30/2018 01:04 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

to mention the ****ing annoying animations they insist on
putting into dialog boxes.* I don't need a cartoon to tell me paper is
going into the printer, I can ****ing see it for myself!

The Animation is a separate process that doesn't depend on the thing
it's supposed to be monitoring. The first time I discovered that was
doing a download using MSIE. I had physically disconnected the internet
cable and that stupid animation kept going.

[snip]

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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

The one thing that really annoys me about some printers is that they do not
have a "limp home" mode. If there is a problem with any of the cartridges,
they throw their toys out of the pram and stop working altogether, rather
than printing in black ink only. And they print black text with a
combination of colours as well as black, so even if you only print text
documents, you end up needing to replace the colour cartridges eventually.

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing. Fed up with the cost of replacing the ink, I tried
some from one of the cartridge shops - can't remember which one - and the
printer has behaved nearly perfectly. There have been a few problems with
individual nozzles drying up, and needing the cleaning cycle to get things
going, but none of the problems with almost all the nozzles drying that I
had with the printer manufacturer's ink.

On 10/01/2018 05:32 AM, NY wrote:
"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?Â* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use
colour ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they
can't feed a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up
every five minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they
**** about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller
and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get
to work!

The one thing that really annoys me about some printers is that they do
not have a "limp home" mode. If there is a problem with any of the
cartridges, they throw their toys out of the pram and stop working
altogether, rather than printing in black ink only. And they print black
text with a combination of colours as well as black, so even if you only
print text documents, you end up needing to replace the colour
cartridges eventually.

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the
manufacturer's own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying
up - to the extend that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print
a test page every week to keep the ink flowing. Fed up with the cost of
replacing the ink, I tried some from one of the cartridge shops - can't
remember which one - and the printer has behaved nearly perfectly. There
have been a few problems with individual nozzles drying up, and needing
the cleaning cycle to get things going, but none of the problems with
almost all the nozzles drying that I had with the printer manufacturer's
ink.
http://www.tonerpirate.com/epson-inkjet-printer-supply/
Or just go to the http://www.tonerpirate.com for other supplies.
We use the canon cartridges from here, about $5 US per, and they seem to
work great. Have 1 now and then give us a problem but 1 out of 20 maybe?

Al

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:32:52 +0100, "NY" wrote:

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing.

I'm currently in between laser printers, having dragged out a 15 year
old Epson inkjet, and to address what you describe above I created a
task in the scheduler to print a sheet every week, on Monday morning at
10:00AM. So far, so good. No dried up cartridges in about 9-10 months,
but I really need to get back to the good life (color laser).

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:46:23 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:32:52 +0100, "NY" wrote:

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing.

I'm currently in between laser printers, having dragged out a 15 year
old Epson inkjet, and to address what you describe above I created a
task in the scheduler to print a sheet every week, on Monday morning at
10:00AM. So far, so good. No dried up cartridges in about 9-10 months,
but I really need to get back to the good life (color laser).

By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:38:41 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.

I have no idea. Hopefully, someone else will chime in.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:38:41 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.

I have no idea. Hopefully, someone else will chime in.


I don't see the words "archival print quality" in
the article on toner. Black toner used to be made from
carbon particles, and that material should hold up well.
Something made from colored plastic or wax, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner

Paul

On 09/30/2018 11:41 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

I now have an Epson inkjet that refuses to print anything black (colors
are all OK), even after several cleanings and a new black cartridge.

A new printer probably can't use the same cartridges, so more waste.

Mostly I use the laser, which never has ink clogs.

--
85 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by the rulers as useful." [Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65
A.D.)]