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Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:39:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:41:02 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:35:41 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:08:38 -0400, Allen Drake wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:52:23 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: In related news, reports say that email is dying a fairly quick death, or a slow death, depending on who you believe. Usage is down sharply and continuing to decline. Interpersonal communications have shifted heavily toward social media, (Facebook, Pinterest, etc.), and texting. I think email is simply leveling off and good that it is. I don't know, but I sure hope that you are right and the reports that Char quotes are not! There's no vast conspiracy to take email away. Of course not. I didn't mean to suggest that you said that. It's just that many people are no longer using it, or are using it much less than they used to, so in the aggregate the overall volume of email traffic is down sharply, and is expected to continue that downward trend. Yes, but if it dwindles sufficiently, it will die. Just as Usenet is dying. On a personal note, if I send information to my son via email, he'll eventually see it but it can take several months. OTOH, if I send a message via Facebook, he usually replies immediately. His age group, early twenties, is plugged into Facebook almost exclusively. Email is seen as passe, old school, not cool, or whatever you want to call it. Passé, old school, not cool--you can call me all those things. g Stop and think how many ways people use and need email. I can't wait until the Post Office shuts down or at least they provide a trash bin at my mail box. I'm with you entirely. The post office now provides a service that is essentially unneeded. I get almost nothing in my mailbox but junk mail, and I mail almost nothing myself. The only real exception for me is Netflix, and they don't have to use the post office for what they do. It could be streaming using devices like Roku boxes. It's a waste of money. Millions of people rely on postal mail and have no real alternative. Take it away and they're stranded with nothing. There are fewer and fewer and fewer all the time. A couple of years ago, I knew lots of people who didn't have an e-mail address. Today, I don't know anyone. And for the few that don't have it, spend the money now spent on post offices, salaries, etc. by giving them inexpensive devices that can get e-mail. I send and receive more email at work than at home. Email will never die. The way I see it is it's just becoming more refined. All the kiddies are where they belong. Playing nice on Buttbook and doing what everyone else is doing because they need a crowd to tell them they are having fun. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:28:38 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:08:38 -0400, Allen Drake wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:52:23 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:23:40 -0400, Metspitzer wrote: I went to the doctor today. The secretary made me a 6 month follow up appointment and printed me a reminder. I do know that email is not considered secure. Is anyone working on making email useful and secure? The mechanisms for making email secure have been available for years, but adoption has been somewhere between slow and stalled. Gene mentioned PGP, but both sides need to support it, and it's not likely that your doctor's office is going to implement it anytime soon, if at all. In related news, reports say that email is dying a fairly quick death, or a slow death, depending on who you believe. Usage is down sharply and continuing to decline. Interpersonal communications have shifted heavily toward social media, (Facebook, Pinterest, etc.), and texting. I think email is simply leveling off and good that it is. I meant email usage in general, not just your personal use of it. All the meaningless childish drivel is going where it belongs. I would never think for one second email is dying. First, dying does not mean dead. At your age, email will likely outlast you and therefore you have nothing to worry about. How will I be getting my notifications of transactions from banks and purchases made? Seriously? Have you forgotten the past 100 years? Two things to keep in mind are that when one technology fades away, it usually gets replaced by another technology that's better in some ways, and second, in the worst case you might have to have someone check your mailbox now and then to bring you your mail. Stop and think how many ways people use and need email. I can't wait until the Post Office shuts down or at least they provide a trash bin at my mail box. Millions of people would say the exact same thing about postal mail that you just said about email. email is reaching maturity while Snail mail is dying. You can configure one and can't get rid of the other and you don't have to lick an email. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:11:33 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote: Per Metspitzer: I went to the doctor today. The secretary made me a 6 month follow up appointment and printed me a reminder. I do know that email is not considered secure. Is anyone working on making email useful and secure? "Paper-Free by '83" Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American cow to give liters. |
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On 9/15/2012 2:57 PM, Allen Drake wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:11:33 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per Metspitzer: I went to the doctor today. The secretary made me a 6 month follow up appointment and printed me a reminder. I do know that email is not considered secure. Is anyone working on making email useful and secure? "Paper-Free by '83" Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American cow to give liters. Yes, it's cats that give liters! ;-) |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:57:37 -0400, Allen Drake wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:11:33 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per Metspitzer: I went to the doctor today. The secretary made me a 6 month follow up appointment and printed me a reminder. I do know that email is not considered secure. Is anyone working on making email useful and secure? "Paper-Free by '83" Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American cow to give liters. Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric nuts & bolts, and have for years. I bet an American cow, at least a college-educated one, can give liters. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 9/15/2012 5:36 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric nuts& bolts, and have for years. It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
On 9/15/2012 5:36 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric nuts& bolts, and have for years. It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? Imperial (Whitworth) is quite different from American (SAE). One example: a 1/4" Whitworth wrench fits the nut that goes on a 1/4" screw, which IIRC means about 7/16" SAE. Meanwhile: a 13mm wrench isn't a bad fit for a 1/2" nut (I was just doing that the other day). Too bad you had the opposite situation :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:01:00 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
On 15/09/2012 6:15 PM, Bob I wrote: On 9/15/2012 2:57 PM, Allen Drake wrote: [...] Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American cow to give liters. Or anything other than milk. Maybe. What about cow patties? -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? By squinting. -- Char Jackson |
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On 9/15/2012 8:10 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote: On 9/15/2012 5:36 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric nuts& bolts, and have for years. It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? Imperial (Whitworth) is quite different from American (SAE). Oh man! I like you Gene. One example: a 1/4" Whitworth wrench fits the nut that goes on a 1/4" screw, which IIRC means about 7/16" SAE. Oh I really like you Gene. Meanwhile: a 13mm wrench isn't a bad fit for a 1/2" nut (I was just doing that the other day). Too bad you had the opposite situation :-) Oh gun shy I guess. Sure it was a bit sloppy. Sure I said close enough. But it wouldn't move. Instead of doing the smart things like a little WD-40, a little pounding, and some heat... I said I need a braker bar. Oh sure the bar moved. Oh the horrors afterwards. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Metspitzer wrote:
I use Gmail. If so, why are you worried about security? Gmail is the least secure of all, every hacker in China has access to all your email and access to Google's "security" methods and has for several years now. NOTE: The Chinese government claims the hackers are rogue hackers, most believe the hackers are actually the Chinese government. Since every instance of hacked email (so far?) has been used by China against dissenters you can draw your own conclusions..... -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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Those in the medical profession who choose to use email do have a
secure way of communication via email. What I see is that my personal physician does not use any convenient communications (phone call is secure???) method while the hospital I use does. They send an email saying I have a secure communication waiting for me on a https server that i log into with user-name and password to access. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:55:02 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote: It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? By squinting. Finally a solution I can use. Thanks. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:26:09 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
On 9/15/2012 8:10 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote: On 9/15/2012 5:36 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric nuts& bolts, and have for years. It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? Imperial (Whitworth) is quite different from American (SAE). Oh man! I like you Gene. One example: a 1/4" Whitworth wrench fits the nut that goes on a 1/4" screw, which IIRC means about 7/16" SAE. Oh I really like you Gene. Meanwhile: a 13mm wrench isn't a bad fit for a 1/2" nut (I was just doing that the other day). Too bad you had the opposite situation :-) Oh gun shy I guess. Sure it was a bit sloppy. Sure I said close enough. But it wouldn't move. Instead of doing the smart things like a little WD-40, a little pounding, and some heat... I said I need a braker bar. Oh sure the bar moved. Oh the horrors afterwards. I need to clarify for you. 13mm will fit on a 1/2" nut. I did that the other day. 1/2" won't fit on a 13mm nut. That seems to be what you said your situation was. 1/2" is 12.7mm. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 9/17/2012 12:08 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:55:02 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:11:20 -0500, BillW50 wrote: It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch? By squinting. Finally a solution I can use. Thanks. Trial and error works, as do some of the wrenches with non standard mating surfaces. (I really don't know another way to describe them.) They contact less of the nut or bolt head than a six sided, but have the clearance to work with similar (but not identical) sizes. |
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