Newsgroup readers

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:16:56 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:31:26 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

[snip]

I remember years ago creating a macro, actually a fairly simple one, in
one rather large and complicated C program of mine, that caught and
counted calls to alloc and dealloc and reported to me the net count when
I closed the program. It didn't tell me why the count wasn't zero, but
just having that count info helped *a lot*...

From years back ('90s), Microsoft's C compiler put code in
programs so that when terminating, address 0 was checked to see if any
writes had been done through a null pointer. I expect that was of
similar usefulness. Just knowing one has an error can be helpful.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

That seems odd. In my experience, writing through a null pointer always
crashed my programs. And it was not a rare event for me :-)

First, such a check would always pass if the program had no such error
and therefore wouldn't crash.

Second, the check could never execute if the program had such an error,
since it would have already crashed.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Yousuf Khan wrote:

Okay, currently using Thunderbird for reading newsgroups. It's terribly
buggy for this purpose, suffers from all kinds of memory leaks. Thinking
of removing the newsgroup functionality from it, and put it somewhere
else. What's still out there that is free and is not made by Mozilla?
I'm looking for a real reader as opposed to a binary group downloader,
of course.

I've tried other news readers looking for something better, but have
gone back to Forte Agent. I've tried Outlook, Thunderbird, and some
other free ones.

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:53:01 -0400, TS742
wrote:

I've tried other news readers looking for something better, but have
gone back to Forte Agent. I've tried Outlook, Thunderbird, and some
other free ones.


You couldn't have tried Outlook, because Outlook has no newsreading
capability. Perhaps you mean Outlook Express, which is a very
different program.

TS742 wrote in
:

Yousuf Khan wrote:

Okay, currently using Thunderbird for reading newsgroups. It's terribly
buggy for this purpose, suffers from all kinds of memory leaks. Thinking
of removing the newsgroup functionality from it, and put it somewhere
else. What's still out there that is free and is not made by Mozilla?
I'm looking for a real reader as opposed to a binary group downloader,
of course.

I've tried other news readers looking for something better, but have
gone back to Forte Agent. I've tried Outlook, Thunderbird, and some
other free ones.

Xnews is quick and easy.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:17:51 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:00:15 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

Forte Agent still has a free version.

Version 3.3 to be exact. To be downloaded he
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php

You start with a full version and after 30 days of trial Agent will
revert to Free Agent.

I refuse to believe that there's anybody in this group who can't afford
$29, or whatever Agent is today.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 19:29:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:16:56 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

[snip]

From years back ('90s), Microsoft's C compiler put code in
programs so that when terminating, address 0 was checked to see if any
writes had been done through a null pointer. I expect that was of
similar usefulness. Just knowing one has an error can be helpful.

That seems odd. In my experience, writing through a null pointer always
crashed my programs. And it was not a rare event for me :-)

Well, I managed to and not have it crash. Microsoft's warning
was just that, not a panacea.

First, such a check would always pass if the program had no such error
and therefore wouldn't crash.

Second, the check could never execute if the program had such an error,
since it would have already crashed.

There is no guarantee that it would crash.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 10/8/2012 at 12:27:56 AM Yousuf Khan wrote:

Okay, currently using Thunderbird for reading newsgroups. It's
terribly buggy for this purpose, suffers from all kinds of memory
leaks. Thinking of removing the newsgroup functionality from it, and
put it somewhere else. What's still out there that is free and is not
made by Mozilla? I'm looking for a real reader as opposed to a binary
group downloader, of course.

Yousuf Khan

If you're not a power user, then try XanaNews. Available at
http://xananews.techtips.com.br/rele...ws-1-19-1-320/

It offers many bells and whistles but it probably does not satisfy the
needs of power users...
--
tb

On 08/10/2012 10:39 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Yousuf Khan
writes
On 08/10/2012 6:39 AM, mick wrote:
MesNews http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
or
Gravity http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

Thanks, I'll give those a try.

I've given Gravity a quick try, and it seems OK. However, it doesn't do
mail, so I decided to concentrate on playing with Thunderbird
as a possible alternative mail/news client.

Well, I'm not interested in using it for mail, I just want it to do
newsgroups. I'm keeping Tbird for mail, and calendar.

Yousuf Khan

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:25:35 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Well, I'm not interested in using it for mail, I just want it to
do newsgroups. I'm keeping Tbird for mail, and calendar.

Why are you asking this in Windows and Ubuntu groups?

mechanic wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:25:35 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Well, I'm not interested in using it for mail, I just want it to do
newsgroups. I'm keeping Tbird for mail, and calendar.

Why are you asking this in Windows and Ubuntu groups?

Maybe because everyone in those groups is using a newsreader?


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On 10/10/2012 12:13 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:25:35 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Well, I'm not interested in using it for mail, I just want it to
do newsgroups. I'm keeping Tbird for mail, and calendar.

Why are you asking this in Windows and Ubuntu groups?

Because I need to change it for both OS's, and each OS has a different
set of alternatives. I've posted it separately for Windows and Ubuntu
because I don't want any flaming between the two camps.

As you can see, I am trying very hard to keep this an useful thread
rather than the usual flamewar they tend to become.

Yousuf Khan

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:03:27 +0100, Robin Bignall
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:17:51 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:00:15 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

Forte Agent still has a free version.

Version 3.3 to be exact. To be downloaded he
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php

You start with a full version and after 30 days of trial Agent will
revert to Free Agent.

I refuse to believe that there's anybody in this group who can't afford
$29, or whatever Agent is today.

Maybe the 47%ers Mittens knows.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:06:10 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:49:34 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


That's why everyone recommends their favorite- there are no saints here :-)


I don't exactly recommend my favorite, Here's part of my standard post
on the subject:

"Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7. If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again. How do I insert words to stop this from
happening. I tried the insert key but that pastes whatever is on my
clipboard. I also have difficulties sorting out what others post from
what I posted and in long threads it gets confusing. I liked Outlook
that would use different colors.

Thanks for any tips.

Al.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:06:10 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:49:34 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


That's why everyone recommends their favorite- there are no saints here :-)


I don't exactly recommend my favorite, Here's part of my standard post
on the subject:

"Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

I meant Outlook Express and not Outlook.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:43:51 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

On 10/10/2012 12:13 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:25:35 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Well, I'm not interested in using it for mail, I just want it to
do newsgroups. I'm keeping Tbird for mail, and calendar.

Why are you asking this in Windows and Ubuntu groups?

Because I need to change it for both OS's, and each OS has a different
set of alternatives. I've posted it separately for Windows and Ubuntu
because I don't want any flaming between the two camps.

As you can see, I am trying very hard to keep this an useful thread
rather than the usual flamewar they tend to become.

Fair enough.