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Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?



 
 
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Old April 5th 19, 06:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that also has its own Time Zone capability?

Probably a free solution doesn't exist, but it might, which is why I ask.

CURRENT USE MODEL:
o I edit the local calendar on any device (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android)
o I export that calendar in iCal format periodically to anywhere on the LAN
o I import the iCal needed onto the device (mostly Windows & Android)

This works GREAT, with only one hitch.
o Separately, I randomly change Time Zones with the tzutil.exe command.
o This screws up the times of the local calendar (I'm using Rainlendar)
http://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php

DESIRED USE MODEL:
o All I want is what I have already (import & export of iCal files)
o And for the calendar to maintain its own time zone (not the system TZ!).

I know tools can do this since both DSClock & ClocX freeware do this.
DSClock (digital independent clock) https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/
Clocx (analog independent clock) http://clocx.net/download.php
o But does any Calendar program have a setting for its own Time Zone?

All Calendar programs I've tried rely ONLY on the System Time Zone.
So my question is a long shot...

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that *also has its own Time Zone setting* independent of the System TZ?
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Old April 5th 19, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Old April 5th 19, 08:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows thatimports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On 4/5/2019 1:49 PM, arlen holder wrote:
Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that also has its own Time Zone capability?

Probably a free solution doesn't exist, but it might, which is why I ask.

CURRENT USE MODEL:
o I edit the local calendar on any device (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android)
o I export that calendar in iCal format periodically to anywhere on the LAN
o I import the iCal needed onto the device (mostly Windows & Android)

This works GREAT, with only one hitch.
o Separately, I randomly change Time Zones with the tzutil.exe command.
o This screws up the times of the local calendar (I'm using Rainlendar)
http://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php

DESIRED USE MODEL:
o All I want is what I have already (import & export of iCal files)
o And for the calendar to maintain its own time zone (not the system TZ!).

I know tools can do this since both DSClock & ClocX freeware do this.
DSClock (digital independent clock) https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/
Clocx (analog independent clock) http://clocx.net/download.php
o But does any Calendar program have a setting for its own Time Zone?

All Calendar programs I've tried rely ONLY on the System Time Zone.
So my question is a long shot...

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that *also has its own Time Zone setting* independent of the System TZ?

Though you may not need all of the functionality, Thunderbird is free
and does what you want. It use to be that you had to down load
Lightning separately, now it is part of the standard installation.

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Old April 6th 19, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows thatimports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On 6/04/2019 3:49 am, arlen holder wrote:
Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that also has its own Time Zone capability?

Probably a free solution doesn't exist, but it might, which is why I ask.

CURRENT USE MODEL:
o I edit the local calendar on any device (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android)
o I export that calendar in iCal format periodically to anywhere on the LAN
o I import the iCal needed onto the device (mostly Windows & Android)

This works GREAT, with only one hitch.
o Separately, I randomly change Time Zones with the tzutil.exe command.
o This screws up the times of the local calendar (I'm using Rainlendar)
http://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php

DESIRED USE MODEL:
o All I want is what I have already (import & export of iCal files)
o And for the calendar to maintain its own time zone (not the system TZ!).

I know tools can do this since both DSClock & ClocX freeware do this.
DSClock (digital independent clock) https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/
Clocx (analog independent clock) http://clocx.net/download.php
o But does any Calendar program have a setting for its own Time Zone?

All Calendar programs I've tried rely ONLY on the System Time Zone.
So my question is a long shot...

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that *also has its own Time Zone setting* independent of the System TZ?


Try UK's Kalender
Found Here -- http://www.ukrebs-software.de/

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Old April 6th 19, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:10:59 +1000, Maurice Helwig wrote:

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that *also has its own Time Zone setting* independent of the System TZ?


Try UK's Kalender
Found Here -- http://www.ukrebs-software.de/


Hi Maurice,
Thanks for that idea of Ulrich Krebs' freeware "kalendar" program.

Rainlendar is just ok, as, well, it works, but it's not wonderful, so I'm
ok with changing calendar programs as long as I get these things in
addition to a decent interface:
o Both import and export of iCal files (with merge)
o Ability to comprehend a time zone

While Rainlendar freeware imports/experts and merges iCal files
beautifully, I'm astounded that Rainlendar doesn't seem to understand the
concept of a time zone, so I was hoping someone had a freeware calendar
that did understand the concept of a time zone.

As you noted, the Download is here http://www.ukrebs-software.de
Where the setup is here http://www.ukrebs-software.de/download/kalender/Kalender_Setup.exe
And the portable he http://www.ukrebs-software.de/download/kalender/Kalender_Portable.zip

The word "time zone", "tz", or even "zone" doesn't show up in the
description, and, oh oh ... bad news ... darn.
"UK's Kalender has a proprietary file format".

I'll still try it to see if it can handle iCal export/import, but that
sentence at the end of the description page may be a killer since my use
model is to pass the calendar file amongst all my devices over the private
LAN, where, of all consumer platforms, only on iOS is there no freeware
program that handles iCal import & export.

In short, I'll let you know how it goes, but it's not looking good if it
can't output and input standard iCalendar format files.
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Old April 6th 19, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:40:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Though you may not need all of the functionality, Thunderbird is free
and does what you want. It use to be that you had to down load
Lightning separately, now it is part of the standard installation.


Hi Keith,
Thanks for that suggestion of Thunderbird to replace the Rainlendar
calendar.

Truth be told, I'm not all that happy with Rainlendar, as the one thing it
doesn't seem to do well is show you what's coming up in a way that you can
"click" around. It shows you beautifully what's coming up for the next 3
days, but I haven't figured out how to click around on the calendar to see
what is on each day in an easy format to read.

So I'm ok if a better free Calendar that exports & imports iCal files off
the local hard drive exists, where I knew about Thunderbird/Lightening, but
I haven't tried it in _years_.

Certainly Thunderbird, last I tried it as a newsreader, kept thinking it
was a mail program which news only superficially resembles. So I gave up on
Thunderbird _years_ ago, but since I'm not super enthralled by the
Rainlendar GUI, maybe I should look at Thunderbird/Lightening anew.

To me, for a calendar program NOT to be aware of time zones, is crazy.

This says "Since 0.7 you can set the timezone per event", which seems
perfect if it actually works:
o Lightning events display wrong time
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=599637

You're correct that Thunderbird + Lightning is a lot more "bytes" than I
wanted to deal with, if it's the only free calendar that is intelligent
enough to comprehend something as trivially simple as a time zone, then
that's what I'll be forced to use.

Thanks for the idea!
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Old April 6th 19, 01:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Keith Nuttle
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows thatimports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On 4/5/2019 7:48 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:40:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Though you may not need all of the functionality, Thunderbird is free
and does what you want. It use to be that you had to down load
Lightning separately, now it is part of the standard installation.


Hi Keith,
Thanks for that suggestion of Thunderbird to replace the Rainlendar
calendar.

Truth be told, I'm not all that happy with Rainlendar, as the one thing it
doesn't seem to do well is show you what's coming up in a way that you can
"click" around. It shows you beautifully what's coming up for the next 3
days, but I haven't figured out how to click around on the calendar to see
what is on each day in an easy format to read.

So I'm ok if a better free Calendar that exports & imports iCal files off
the local hard drive exists, where I knew about Thunderbird/Lightening, but
I haven't tried it in _years_.

Certainly Thunderbird, last I tried it as a newsreader, kept thinking it
was a mail program which news only superficially resembles. So I gave up on
Thunderbird _years_ ago, but since I'm not super enthralled by the
Rainlendar GUI, maybe I should look at Thunderbird/Lightening anew.

To me, for a calendar program NOT to be aware of time zones, is crazy.

This says "Since 0.7 you can set the timezone per event", which seems
perfect if it actually works:
o Lightning events display wrong time
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=599637

You're correct that Thunderbird + Lightning is a lot more "bytes" than I
wanted to deal with, if it's the only free calendar that is intelligent
enough to comprehend something as trivially simple as a time zone, then
that's what I'll be forced to use.

Thanks for the idea!

While to my knowledge you can not export individual events from
Thunderbird, I get around this by using the invite feature. When you
create the event, you go to the Invitees function and the people you
want to know of the event. WHen you save the event, a notification is
sent to all of the people inviteds.

I know you can import individual ical events into thunderbird.

Thunderbird uses the native OS dates and times so if the OS recognizes
time zone they Thunderbird does, If you mean correct the local install
to the time zones. If you mean correcting the times to the computer at
the recieving end, I do not know of any thing that will do that.

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Old April 6th 19, 03:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows thatimports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On 4/5/19 1:49 PM, arlen holder wrote:
Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that also has its own Time Zone capability?

Probably a free solution doesn't exist, but it might, which is why I ask.

CURRENT USE MODEL:
o I edit the local calendar on any device (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android)
o I export that calendar in iCal format periodically to anywhere on the LAN
o I import the iCal needed onto the device (mostly Windows & Android)

This works GREAT, with only one hitch.
o Separately, I randomly change Time Zones with the tzutil.exe command.
o This screws up the times of the local calendar (I'm using Rainlendar)
http://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php

DESIRED USE MODEL:
o All I want is what I have already (import & export of iCal files)
o And for the calendar to maintain its own time zone (not the system TZ!).

I know tools can do this since both DSClock & ClocX freeware do this.
DSClock (digital independent clock) https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/
Clocx (analog independent clock) http://clocx.net/download.php
o But does any Calendar program have a setting for its own Time Zone?

All Calendar programs I've tried rely ONLY on the System Time Zone.
So my question is a long shot...

Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal &
that *also has its own Time Zone setting* independent of the System TZ?

Rainlendar2, there is a free and pro version $$
Window and Linux
Both will interface to local .ics files
Pro will interface to Google Calendar.

You could write .ics files in google drive or one drive and it would
share across other machines.

Al
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Old April 6th 19, 04:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
arlen holder
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 20:22:32 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

While to my knowledge you can not export individual events from
Thunderbird, I get around this by using the invite feature.


Hi Keith,
That's interesting!

Why would importing or exporting just 1 event be any different from
importing or exporting all events?

In Rainlendar, which I only started using when I devised a non_internet
calendaring system for all my devices, I have always been exporting the
_entire_ calendar, which works fine simply because the import is
intelligent, AFAIK, where merges happen, seemingly seamlessly.

I just tried to export only a single event in Rainlendar, where it was as
easy as selecting just one event, and where Rainlendar reported that 1
event was exported.

I can easily see why you'd want to export only a single event, or a set of
related events, so it's a feature I hadn't thought of until you mentioned
it.

When you
create the event, you go to the Invitees function and the people you
want to know of the event. WHen you save the event, a notification is
sent to all of the people inviteds.


I don't export individual events since the "merge" seems to be seamless;
but I can easily see the need, so it's nice to know that TB/Lightning can
do it.


I know you can import individual ical events into thunderbird.


That's also nice to know where I just tried importing a single event into
Rainlendar, which worked, but the import of that same single event did NOT
work on my Android "simple calendar" app by simplemobiletools.

Hmmmmmm... why would importing 1 event be any different than importing a
bunch of events?

Thunderbird uses the native OS dates and times so if the OS recognizes
time zone then Thunderbird does, If you mean correct the local install
to the time zones. If you mean correcting the times to the computer at
the recieving end, I do not know of any thing that will do that.



Hi Keith,

What I want is for the calendar program to be able to be set on its own
time zone, which it can base on the offset from the computer time zone if
that's how it wants to do it.

That is, the calendar program can use the system clock, but it should be
able to be set to any time zone which may not be the time zone of the
system clock.

Other time-related programs do this.

The example is the DSClock & ClocX independent digital and analog clocks.
https://i.postimg.cc/dtvxXFHJ/clock03.jpg

As an example, let's say tzutil.exe sets the time zone, randomly, to, oh,
say, London time at the current moment (as shown in the image above).
tzutil.exe /s "GMT Standard Time"

The "computer" clock thinks it's, oh, say, 4am at this very moment, when
it's really 8pm Friday for me in California.

Notice that in the screenshot, DSclock & ClocX aren't fooled, since they're
set to pacific time, which I presume they obtain by the offset from the
system clock time zone.

These two freebie clock apps are _designed_ to be intelligent about time
zones.

Why wouldn't a CALENDAR app, of all things, NOT be designed to be
intelligent about time zones?

You could, for example, want to schedule a reminder for when a flight lands
in Moscow at 3pm Moscow time, where you don't want to MANUALLY figure out
what time that is in your local time zone.

If there are two things any decent calendar program should handle,IMHO...
o One is that they should handle import/export of iCal files, and,
o Another is that they should be intelligent about time zones (IMHO).
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Old April 6th 19, 04:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
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Default Do you know of a free LOCAL Calendar on Windows that imports/exports iCal & that has a TIME ZONE capability?

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 22:16:09 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Rainlendar2, there is a free and pro version $$
Window and Linux
Both will interface to local .ics files


Hi Big Al,
Yes. I use Rainlendar on both Windows & Linux where it works "almost"
perfectly. I don't know if the payware can handle time zones, but I don't
see yet how Rainlendar free handles time zones.

For example, let's say a meeting is called for at 3pm New Delhi time in two
months from now. Do you really want to manually figure out the offset, and
whether the time zones change due to daylight savings on both ends of the
world?

You want the calendar program to handle that, right?

Certainly these freebie clock tools handle time zones with no problems:
https://i.postimg.cc/dtvxXFHJ/clock03.jpg

It's hard to find a good freebie calendar program that
o Imports/Exports iCal files (including single events), and,
o Is intelligent about time zones.

Pro will interface to Google Calendar.


Auarrreeggghhhhh! I say this with a smile as you don't know me.

The whole point is to (a) keep our private data OFF the Internet, and (b)
specifically, that means Google and Apple 'cloud' marketing is anathema to
privacy based solutions.

I won't stop others from putting their private date on the Internet, but
there is no reason I should put my private data on the Internet just
because I can't think of a solution.

The solution I use now works GREAT using readily available freeware.
o I manage my calendar on Android or Windows or Linux (iOS sucks for this)
o I export the iCalendar file from one device & import it from the other
All over the private LAN (where I can easily set up a drive on my router's
USB port but my router is an older (insecure) version of SMB so I don't do
that - but I could with a newer router if I needed to access my calendar
from the Internet to my home).

In practical use, a calendar doesn't need the Internet because of the way
calendars work (for individuals).

If you have an admin who manages your calendar, that would be different, or
if you manage a calendar for many others, that would also be different).

But if you manage your own calendar, you can only be in one place at any
one time, so, I can't think of any good reason to put a single personal
calendar on the Internet.

If you're on your phone, you add your event on the phone and export it to
storage. When you get home, you sync the calendars across your LAN.

If you're on your computer, you add the event on the computer and export it
to storage. Then you sync the calendar across your LAN to all your devices.

In practice, for me, that's only my Android phone and WIndows/Linux dual
boot computer (which can use the same storage location).

There is no viable solution on iOS so my iPad doesn't benefit from this
solution, where that's a fault in the commonly known limitations of
functionaolity in iOS and not in the methodology.


You could write .ics files in google drive or one drive and it would
share across other machines.


Auarrreeggghhhhh!


The whole point is to keep private data _off_ the Internet!

NOTE: I say that with a smile because I didn't mention this in the OP where
old timers would know that _anything_ I ask for is always along the lines
of a general purpose (usually free) solution that everyone can use that
keeps our data OFF the Internet.
 




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