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  #1  
Old March 26th 10, 02:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.
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  #2  
Old March 26th 10, 05:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.

  #3  
Old March 26th 10, 05:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.

  #4  
Old March 26th 10, 04:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_4_]
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Posts: 85
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about* trying
to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways

You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled junk
that comes with your new PC

"koonaone" wrote in message
...
OK I'm on page 4 of:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.


  #5  
Old March 26th 10, 04:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_4_]
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Posts: 85
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about* trying
to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways

You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled junk
that comes with your new PC

"koonaone" wrote in message
...
OK I'm on page 4 of:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.


  #6  
Old March 27th 10, 02:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 5,291
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In message , DL
writes:
If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about*
trying to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.

You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled
junk that comes with your new PC


(-:

"koonaone" wrote in message news:4a0a762f-
...
OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articlei
d=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.


I'm much the same - stayed with '98 until last year sometime, and moved
to XP - deliberately, as I feel XP is where '98 had got to (i. e.
Microsoft wanting it to die, but lots of people know how to cuff it, as
you put it).

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is


(I take it "he 2002" means "home"?)
[]
I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn


It does, doesn't it! Do you at least have a C: and a D: partition
(whether on two actual discs or just one)? I'd say that's the first
thing to do, so you can keep data separate from the OS and software.
(But not something you can do with XP on its own - you need a third
party utility. Partition Manager is good, but not free; there are good
free ones.)

way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.


Sounds like it would be a useful reference!

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.


Yes, agreed.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.


I still use XTGOLD for the same reason.
--
J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking
employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at
http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.tif (2-sheet TIFF)!

I haven't lost my mind; I have a tape back-up somewhere.
  #7  
Old March 27th 10, 02:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,291
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In message , DL
writes:
If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about*
trying to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.

You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled
junk that comes with your new PC


(-:

"koonaone" wrote in message news:4a0a762f-
...
OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articlei
d=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.


I'm much the same - stayed with '98 until last year sometime, and moved
to XP - deliberately, as I feel XP is where '98 had got to (i. e.
Microsoft wanting it to die, but lots of people know how to cuff it, as
you put it).

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is


(I take it "he 2002" means "home"?)
[]
I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn


It does, doesn't it! Do you at least have a C: and a D: partition
(whether on two actual discs or just one)? I'd say that's the first
thing to do, so you can keep data separate from the OS and software.
(But not something you can do with XP on its own - you need a third
party utility. Partition Manager is good, but not free; there are good
free ones.)

way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.


Sounds like it would be a useful reference!

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.


Yes, agreed.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.


I still use XTGOLD for the same reason.
--
J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking
employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at
http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.tif (2-sheet TIFF)!

I haven't lost my mind; I have a tape back-up somewhere.
  #8  
Old March 28th 10, 01:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

Thanks for the reply DL and John

DL, and J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

*do not even think about* trying to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.


OK guys, between you and the machines themselves I've pretty well got
the message. My temptation is to leap in and use these two netbooks as
workhorses, being as they have 300 Gb storage between them, and a
flippin GiGabyte of RAM each. Cripey. I think now though with your
good advice I will tread lighter.

John, your idea of partitioning off the system files and such didn't
occurr to me, thanks, I'll do that. What I did right off was make a
lot of directories "hidden" so at least I didn'r have top look at the
mess they'd made of the C: drive. Then though I was faced with the
godaufull dogsbreakfast of the program files directory. Could they not
have made one folder for Microsoft products at least? I made my own
programs directory with accessories, bases, browsers, editors,
graphics prog subdir's all neat in a row. I have installed a few of my
favourites, but open office for instance got shanghiad and ended up
installed in the "proper" program files dir. there probably are good
reasons for that, I guess mother knows best.

First thing I did was install XYPlorerFree ver 5.55.0
[www.xyplorer.com] so I at least have a decent file manager. My first
look at XP's "find::files and folders" arrangement did not activate my
sense of humour, even the cute pup, especially the cute pup.

I like the LAN functionality so far, it took no time at all to create
a 100% clear line to my old machines and download a whack of tried and
true apps and utilities zips. All of them have been handpicked over
the years for speed and reliability and it is a delight to see how K-
Meleon 1.5.3 for instance rockets onto the screen and snaps from page
to page, must be all that RAM and 2 cpu cores or something. My good
old dialup doesn't seem any faster though.

I guess what I'll try to do, though I don't know if it's possible, is
do a remote desktop on a XP netbook, from a w98 desktop, with its nice
monitor and keyboard and periferals. Heh heh. I am working my way up
the ladder with that one. At present I can run Komposer 0.8 on the XP,
open and edit and save an html file, from any one of my old 98's. I
don't know what will happen tomorrow when I try to open firefox 3.x
which won't run on win98se (at least it won't allow itself to be
installed, there is a difference) then save a web page so that I can
then edit it with kompozer. Do I want too much from the poor little
things?

I just had a hell of a fright. John's mention, I still use
XTGOLD for the same reason. of XTGold, which I don't know about,
had me off on a google picnic tracking it down. Panic set in when I
realised this forum was gone, buried under googles, xtgolds, and ZTree
for windows pages. Then I realised I had written my reply on a sticky
note. Whew!

Well, there's light in the sky, and the chickens will like some feed.
So I'm off.

yours

douglas

  #9  
Old March 28th 10, 01:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

Thanks for the reply DL and John

DL, and J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

*do not even think about* trying to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.


OK guys, between you and the machines themselves I've pretty well got
the message. My temptation is to leap in and use these two netbooks as
workhorses, being as they have 300 Gb storage between them, and a
flippin GiGabyte of RAM each. Cripey. I think now though with your
good advice I will tread lighter.

John, your idea of partitioning off the system files and such didn't
occurr to me, thanks, I'll do that. What I did right off was make a
lot of directories "hidden" so at least I didn'r have top look at the
mess they'd made of the C: drive. Then though I was faced with the
godaufull dogsbreakfast of the program files directory. Could they not
have made one folder for Microsoft products at least? I made my own
programs directory with accessories, bases, browsers, editors,
graphics prog subdir's all neat in a row. I have installed a few of my
favourites, but open office for instance got shanghiad and ended up
installed in the "proper" program files dir. there probably are good
reasons for that, I guess mother knows best.

First thing I did was install XYPlorerFree ver 5.55.0
[www.xyplorer.com] so I at least have a decent file manager. My first
look at XP's "find::files and folders" arrangement did not activate my
sense of humour, even the cute pup, especially the cute pup.

I like the LAN functionality so far, it took no time at all to create
a 100% clear line to my old machines and download a whack of tried and
true apps and utilities zips. All of them have been handpicked over
the years for speed and reliability and it is a delight to see how K-
Meleon 1.5.3 for instance rockets onto the screen and snaps from page
to page, must be all that RAM and 2 cpu cores or something. My good
old dialup doesn't seem any faster though.

I guess what I'll try to do, though I don't know if it's possible, is
do a remote desktop on a XP netbook, from a w98 desktop, with its nice
monitor and keyboard and periferals. Heh heh. I am working my way up
the ladder with that one. At present I can run Komposer 0.8 on the XP,
open and edit and save an html file, from any one of my old 98's. I
don't know what will happen tomorrow when I try to open firefox 3.x
which won't run on win98se (at least it won't allow itself to be
installed, there is a difference) then save a web page so that I can
then edit it with kompozer. Do I want too much from the poor little
things?

I just had a hell of a fright. John's mention, I still use
XTGOLD for the same reason. of XTGold, which I don't know about,
had me off on a google picnic tracking it down. Panic set in when I
realised this forum was gone, buried under googles, xtgolds, and ZTree
for windows pages. Then I realised I had written my reply on a sticky
note. Whew!

Well, there's light in the sky, and the chickens will like some feed.
So I'm off.

yours

douglas

  #10  
Old March 28th 10, 02:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

DL and John

Well I couldn't wait till tomorrow and I tried it. Trying to run
firefox 3.x over a network from a w98 machine was a failure. It gave
an error message that 2 dll's were not available. This perplexus me ,
komposer 0.8 won't install on my w98's, it is installed on a XP, I can
run it From a 98 machine over a network just fine and do work with it.
Komposer gave me no indication that it was running on the 98, I don't
think it was, I'll just have to check on that.

In any case, have a fine sunday morning folks.

yours
douglas
  #11  
Old March 28th 10, 02:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

DL and John

Well I couldn't wait till tomorrow and I tried it. Trying to run
firefox 3.x over a network from a w98 machine was a failure. It gave
an error message that 2 dll's were not available. This perplexus me ,
komposer 0.8 won't install on my w98's, it is installed on a XP, I can
run it From a 98 machine over a network just fine and do work with it.
Komposer gave me no indication that it was running on the 98, I don't
think it was, I'll just have to check on that.

In any case, have a fine sunday morning folks.

yours
douglas
  #12  
Old March 28th 10, 03:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,291
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In message
,
koonaone writes:
Thanks for the reply DL and John

DL, and J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

*do not even think about* trying to configure WinXP to your old tried
& Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.


OK guys, between you and the machines themselves I've pretty well got
the message. My temptation is to leap in and use these two netbooks as
workhorses, being as they have 300 Gb storage between them, and a


(not 320? 160G seems to be a boilerplate for netbooks!)

flippin GiGabyte of RAM each. Cripey. I think now though with your


(When I tentatively dipped into XP - yes, I'm using a netbook [why have
you got two?] - received wisdom seemed to be that XP was much happier
with 2G than 1, so I bought a 2G module; so far, I haven't really been
frustrated by the lack of performance of the thing as it is, so haven't
got round to fitting it yet. I haven't tried editing big video files,
though.)

good advice I will tread lighter.


When XP was imposed on me at work many years ago, I spent a lot of time
hacking away at it to make it look more like '9x - such as switching to
"classic" start menu; I will admit I've just left that aspect be on this
one, though I _have_ gone for the classic look to Window borders and the
like (I think they take less space, for a start, than the rounded ones).

John, your idea of partitioning off the system files and such didn't
occurr to me, thanks, I'll do that. What I did right off was make a


It isn't my idea as such (-:! In fact the netbook (Samsung) came with
some sort of initial utility that go me to choose how I wanted the drive
partitioned, before I started, so I chose 30 C, rest D (thinking about
it, I think there's a hidden restore partition - maybe that's where your
extra 10G has gone if yours has similar). I could have chosen just to
have C, I think. This was a one-time only thing, not like Partition
Manager or one of its equivalents.

lot of directories "hidden" so at least I didn'r have top look at the
mess they'd made of the C: drive. Then though I was faced with the


I rarely look at C: now - I just leave it to get on with it. I hate to
say so, but it does seem to look after itself reasonably well. I do have
ERUNT, and have installed BartPE which gives me a dual boot so I can
restore the save made by ERUNT if Windows ever won't start (I really
ought to get round to making the CD, but the dual boot menu does seem to
appear early enough in the boot process that I _feel_ it's OK) - and
have made sure it actually does let me do so.

godaufull dogsbreakfast of the program files directory. Could they not
have made one folder for Microsoft products at least? I made my own
programs directory with accessories, bases, browsers, editors,
graphics prog subdir's all neat in a row. I have installed a few of my


Wow, that's organised! (And, I fear, doomed to be frustrated. XP
programmers - not just Microsoft ones - seem to want to do more of this
sort of decision-making for you.) I've limited myself (even on my old
'9x machines; I haven't got round to installing that much on here yet)
to organising the start menu into such categories (text, music, video,
sound, utils, for example). It's nice that in XP you can right-click on
something in the start menu "tree" and select open, rather than have to
explore to it where it used to be under windows\start menu\programs or
whatever. (Though keeping the left pane in Explorer showing the tree has
taken some cuffing, and still doesn't always work, such as when opening
a .zip file.)

favourites, but open office for instance got shanghiad and ended up
installed in the "proper" program files dir. there probably are good
reasons for that, I guess mother knows best.


Or at least makes it hard for you to change it!

First thing I did was install XYPlorerFree ver 5.55.0
[www.xyplorer.com] so I at least have a decent file manager. My first
look at XP's "find::files and folders" arrangement did not activate my
sense of humour, even the cute pup, especially the cute pup.


Yes, it's a bit twee, isn't it. It does _work_, though, and - small
things, but still - lets you enter partial filenames without having to
use asterisks, and other minor but useful frills. (By the way, although
they've renamed it from "Find" to "Search", the shortcut key of Win-F
still brings it up.) (And Win-E for explorer.)

I like the LAN functionality so far, it took no time at all to create


Yes, LAN and USB _do_ work a lot more "out of the box" than under '9x,
especially USB (and card readers).

a 100% clear line to my old machines and download a whack of tried and
true apps and utilities zips. All of them have been handpicked over


It is worth checking whether there's an XP version of your old
favourites though - sometimes they _are_ bloatware, but sometimes
they've managed to remain slim but have added the ability to use some XP
aspects. (As a rough rule, I've often found that old friends whose
latest version will work with XP, but will still work with '9x, tend to
have remained speedy and simple to use.)

the years for speed and reliability and it is a delight to see how K-
Meleon 1.5.3 for instance rockets onto the screen and snaps from page
to page, must be all that RAM and 2 cpu cores or something. My good
old dialup doesn't seem any faster though.


I fear that's limited to the 56k (or whatever) achievable through the
'phone line, and whatever you do it won't go any faster! Sadly, most of
today's web designers seem to just assume everyone's on broadband now -
I would say that, to a first approximation, a large part [probably 50%
)-:] of the 'net is, for practical purposes, now unusable on dialup. Or
rather the web.

I guess what I'll try to do, though I don't know if it's possible, is
do a remote desktop on a XP netbook, from a w98 desktop, with its nice


It's supposed to be, according to the instructions; I haven't tried it.

monitor and keyboard and periferals. Heh heh. I am working my way up


You can put those on the netbook of course - unless it's a PS/2
keyboard/rat (well, you can get adapter "lead"s [which I think include
electronics]). Oh, hang on, do you mean more than just kbd/rat/monitor,
such as a parallel port printer/scanner? (Again, you can get adapter
"cables", but the drivers _may_ not be available for XP - though you'd
be surprised: I've used a "dot matrix" [impact] printer with XP, and it
produced beautiful output, if rather slow and definitely noisy.)

the ladder with that one. At present I can run Komposer 0.8 on the XP,
open and edit and save an html file, from any one of my old 98's. I
don't know what will happen tomorrow when I try to open firefox 3.x
which won't run on win98se (at least it won't allow itself to be
installed, there is a difference) then save a web page so that I can


There's a thing around called something like kernelx which allows a lot
of XP stuff to run - and even more so install - on '98; pop in to one of
the '98 'groups to ask about it.

then edit it with kompozer. Do I want too much from the poor little
things?


Sadly, the "poor little things" have more power and capability than your
old machine(s), in all probability. (Well, not really sadly, I suppose -
progress is in general good.)

I just had a hell of a fright. John's mention, I still use
XTGOLD for the same reason. of XTGold, which I don't know about,


You used DOS, and survived without XTree? (For those that don't know,
it's a - character-mode - utility that gives a file/disc access
interface not that dissimilar to Windows Explorer.) In almost any old
publicity shot from my old department in which a monitor screen was
visible, the familiar blue of the XTree/XTGold screen.

had me off on a google picnic tracking it down. Panic set in when I
realised this forum was gone, buried under googles, xtgolds, and ZTree
for windows pages. Then I realised I had written my reply on a sticky
note. Whew!


XTree Gold 3.0 was the last character-mode version (of Xtree) before
long file names. I still use it - it gives a better view of what's
really there than Explorer (which hides certain aspects, such as the
details of IE's cache, not that I use IE). Ztree is a clone other people
have written that does handle LFNs - I've never got to grips with it,
but it's probably good. As you found, there were "for Windows" versions,
but not (not just IMO) as good as the character mode one. (I use it in a
window, not full screen.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTree reminds me
that File Manager/Explorer still doesn't have hex/text viewing of any
file, even under Windows 7! And (not that I've used that for ages) the
copy/move of _only some_ files from a directory structure, retaining the
structure.

Well, there's light in the sky, and the chickens will like some feed.
So I'm off.


(-:

yours

douglas

--
J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking
employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at
http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.tif (2-sheet TIFF)!

Computers make it easy for humans to make mistakes that are hard to fix -
Thomas
Landauer (author and psychiatry professor), quoted by Colin Barker (Computing
1999-2-18, p. 21)
  #13  
Old March 28th 10, 03:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,291
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In message
,
koonaone writes:
Thanks for the reply DL and John

DL, and J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

*do not even think about* trying to configure WinXP to your old tried
& Tested ways


I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.


OK guys, between you and the machines themselves I've pretty well got
the message. My temptation is to leap in and use these two netbooks as
workhorses, being as they have 300 Gb storage between them, and a


(not 320? 160G seems to be a boilerplate for netbooks!)

flippin GiGabyte of RAM each. Cripey. I think now though with your


(When I tentatively dipped into XP - yes, I'm using a netbook [why have
you got two?] - received wisdom seemed to be that XP was much happier
with 2G than 1, so I bought a 2G module; so far, I haven't really been
frustrated by the lack of performance of the thing as it is, so haven't
got round to fitting it yet. I haven't tried editing big video files,
though.)

good advice I will tread lighter.


When XP was imposed on me at work many years ago, I spent a lot of time
hacking away at it to make it look more like '9x - such as switching to
"classic" start menu; I will admit I've just left that aspect be on this
one, though I _have_ gone for the classic look to Window borders and the
like (I think they take less space, for a start, than the rounded ones).

John, your idea of partitioning off the system files and such didn't
occurr to me, thanks, I'll do that. What I did right off was make a


It isn't my idea as such (-:! In fact the netbook (Samsung) came with
some sort of initial utility that go me to choose how I wanted the drive
partitioned, before I started, so I chose 30 C, rest D (thinking about
it, I think there's a hidden restore partition - maybe that's where your
extra 10G has gone if yours has similar). I could have chosen just to
have C, I think. This was a one-time only thing, not like Partition
Manager or one of its equivalents.

lot of directories "hidden" so at least I didn'r have top look at the
mess they'd made of the C: drive. Then though I was faced with the


I rarely look at C: now - I just leave it to get on with it. I hate to
say so, but it does seem to look after itself reasonably well. I do have
ERUNT, and have installed BartPE which gives me a dual boot so I can
restore the save made by ERUNT if Windows ever won't start (I really
ought to get round to making the CD, but the dual boot menu does seem to
appear early enough in the boot process that I _feel_ it's OK) - and
have made sure it actually does let me do so.

godaufull dogsbreakfast of the program files directory. Could they not
have made one folder for Microsoft products at least? I made my own
programs directory with accessories, bases, browsers, editors,
graphics prog subdir's all neat in a row. I have installed a few of my


Wow, that's organised! (And, I fear, doomed to be frustrated. XP
programmers - not just Microsoft ones - seem to want to do more of this
sort of decision-making for you.) I've limited myself (even on my old
'9x machines; I haven't got round to installing that much on here yet)
to organising the start menu into such categories (text, music, video,
sound, utils, for example). It's nice that in XP you can right-click on
something in the start menu "tree" and select open, rather than have to
explore to it where it used to be under windows\start menu\programs or
whatever. (Though keeping the left pane in Explorer showing the tree has
taken some cuffing, and still doesn't always work, such as when opening
a .zip file.)

favourites, but open office for instance got shanghiad and ended up
installed in the "proper" program files dir. there probably are good
reasons for that, I guess mother knows best.


Or at least makes it hard for you to change it!

First thing I did was install XYPlorerFree ver 5.55.0
[www.xyplorer.com] so I at least have a decent file manager. My first
look at XP's "find::files and folders" arrangement did not activate my
sense of humour, even the cute pup, especially the cute pup.


Yes, it's a bit twee, isn't it. It does _work_, though, and - small
things, but still - lets you enter partial filenames without having to
use asterisks, and other minor but useful frills. (By the way, although
they've renamed it from "Find" to "Search", the shortcut key of Win-F
still brings it up.) (And Win-E for explorer.)

I like the LAN functionality so far, it took no time at all to create


Yes, LAN and USB _do_ work a lot more "out of the box" than under '9x,
especially USB (and card readers).

a 100% clear line to my old machines and download a whack of tried and
true apps and utilities zips. All of them have been handpicked over


It is worth checking whether there's an XP version of your old
favourites though - sometimes they _are_ bloatware, but sometimes
they've managed to remain slim but have added the ability to use some XP
aspects. (As a rough rule, I've often found that old friends whose
latest version will work with XP, but will still work with '9x, tend to
have remained speedy and simple to use.)

the years for speed and reliability and it is a delight to see how K-
Meleon 1.5.3 for instance rockets onto the screen and snaps from page
to page, must be all that RAM and 2 cpu cores or something. My good
old dialup doesn't seem any faster though.


I fear that's limited to the 56k (or whatever) achievable through the
'phone line, and whatever you do it won't go any faster! Sadly, most of
today's web designers seem to just assume everyone's on broadband now -
I would say that, to a first approximation, a large part [probably 50%
)-:] of the 'net is, for practical purposes, now unusable on dialup. Or
rather the web.

I guess what I'll try to do, though I don't know if it's possible, is
do a remote desktop on a XP netbook, from a w98 desktop, with its nice


It's supposed to be, according to the instructions; I haven't tried it.

monitor and keyboard and periferals. Heh heh. I am working my way up


You can put those on the netbook of course - unless it's a PS/2
keyboard/rat (well, you can get adapter "lead"s [which I think include
electronics]). Oh, hang on, do you mean more than just kbd/rat/monitor,
such as a parallel port printer/scanner? (Again, you can get adapter
"cables", but the drivers _may_ not be available for XP - though you'd
be surprised: I've used a "dot matrix" [impact] printer with XP, and it
produced beautiful output, if rather slow and definitely noisy.)

the ladder with that one. At present I can run Komposer 0.8 on the XP,
open and edit and save an html file, from any one of my old 98's. I
don't know what will happen tomorrow when I try to open firefox 3.x
which won't run on win98se (at least it won't allow itself to be
installed, there is a difference) then save a web page so that I can


There's a thing around called something like kernelx which allows a lot
of XP stuff to run - and even more so install - on '98; pop in to one of
the '98 'groups to ask about it.

then edit it with kompozer. Do I want too much from the poor little
things?


Sadly, the "poor little things" have more power and capability than your
old machine(s), in all probability. (Well, not really sadly, I suppose -
progress is in general good.)

I just had a hell of a fright. John's mention, I still use
XTGOLD for the same reason. of XTGold, which I don't know about,


You used DOS, and survived without XTree? (For those that don't know,
it's a - character-mode - utility that gives a file/disc access
interface not that dissimilar to Windows Explorer.) In almost any old
publicity shot from my old department in which a monitor screen was
visible, the familiar blue of the XTree/XTGold screen.

had me off on a google picnic tracking it down. Panic set in when I
realised this forum was gone, buried under googles, xtgolds, and ZTree
for windows pages. Then I realised I had written my reply on a sticky
note. Whew!


XTree Gold 3.0 was the last character-mode version (of Xtree) before
long file names. I still use it - it gives a better view of what's
really there than Explorer (which hides certain aspects, such as the
details of IE's cache, not that I use IE). Ztree is a clone other people
have written that does handle LFNs - I've never got to grips with it,
but it's probably good. As you found, there were "for Windows" versions,
but not (not just IMO) as good as the character mode one. (I use it in a
window, not full screen.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTree reminds me
that File Manager/Explorer still doesn't have hex/text viewing of any
file, even under Windows 7! And (not that I've used that for ages) the
copy/move of _only some_ files from a directory structure, retaining the
structure.

Well, there's light in the sky, and the chickens will like some feed.
So I'm off.


(-:

yours

douglas

--
J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking
employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at
http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.tif (2-sheet TIFF)!

Computers make it easy for humans to make mistakes that are hard to fix -
Thomas
Landauer (author and psychiatry professor), quoted by Colin Barker (Computing
1999-2-18, p. 21)
  #14  
Old March 28th 10, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

Hello folks

As you were saying John:

(not 320? 160G seems to be a boilerplate for netbooks!)
[why have you got two?]
received wisdom seemed to be that XP was much happier
with 2G than 1, so I bought a 2G module;


You are right on there John, my speed got ahead of my attention to
detail. I have 2
because I've taken on a horse training job far from home and want to
be able to use
a satelite skype video connection to keep in touch.
Is it possible the Ram usage of XP is a consequence of some XP
applications ram requirements?
Personally I go for the faster lighter breeds though I keep
msWorks4.5, softmaker2007, and open office3.2
on hand, they all do the same jobs only progressively more
ponderously, and sometimes
I really do need a heavier tool for a particular job. I'm beginning a
big new writing and
want to run Zotero which requires Firefox 3, so need XP's horsepower.
I will have to look
0up ERUNT. Isn't the built in restore accessable from DOS? can you
not run regrestore etc?


(Though keeping the left pane in Explorer showing the tree has taken some cuffing,
and still doesn't always work, such as when opening a .zip file.)


Exactly why I installed XYPlorer and made it default shell..

(As a rough rule, I've often found that old friends whose
latest version will work with XP, but will still work with '9x, tend to
have remained speedy and simple to use.)


Now that is a great tip, thanks

I fear that's limited to the 56k ,,,

'phone line I would say that, to a first approximation, a large part
[probably 50%
of the 'net is, for practical purposes, now unusable on dialup.


Big downloads can be problematic for me but I don't use the machines
as a surogate
TV or entertainment centre, well, I do try out a lot of software, I
suppose that's
playing with machines isn't it? I do hard core research when I'm on
line and
write when I'm not.

I've used a "dot matrix" [impact] printer with XP


I rue the day I came home to find my landscape wide epson dotmatrix
had
been relegated to a dump. run by a short term overly enthusiastic
bunkmate.

There's a thing around called something like kernelx

Yes, it works wonderfully though it can create DLL hell on some 98
configurations,
I have a nice toshiba techra 8000 that belches and moans still after
a month of messing
with library version numbers.

progress is in general good.

I turned 65 a while back, you just blew your covers young fellow.

You used DOS, and survived without XTree? (For those that don't know,
it's a - character-mode - utility that gives a file/disc access
interface not that dissimilar to Windows Explorer.) In almost any old
publicity shot from my old department in which a monitor screen was
visible, the familiar blue of the XTree/XTGold screen.


I used PCTools, it had 3 windows, a directories, a files, and an
ASCII, dB, or Hex
rendering of the file itself. Then I "rented" a copy of GeoWorks which
somehow
stayed on my little 286's hard drive, 16 Mb ?
(that I ran off a solar panel, 3 car batteries, +backup honda for
winter)
That worked better than any windows till
w3.11 for workgroups I think it was. So no, I never did use norton
commander type
tools You might like some of the things XYPlorer does. It shows hex/
binary/ascii/
simple dB in a little screen at the bottom , and has a pretty good
super grep type search/replace function.

Have you run across a russian affair called Connect, or sometimes the
IBM handshaker?
It's outrageous, does everything, has a built in html reader writer,
dB, csv reader, I
can't remember all it does. Thing is though the help files and ini's
and configs are all
in flipping russian cyrilics and all. I live in the bush and have
never had help
fixing my computers when they gibble, which windows always seems to
do. (and I'm seldom rich)
You wouldn't believe the endless hours I've spent with Connect, in
DOS, trying
to recover some long file named creative work of genius (so I always
told myself)
so I could plug away at it using Qedit.

Well thanks for replying to my post you guys and good luck to you with
your netbook John
Now the cow is bawling.

yours

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.
  #15  
Old March 28th 10, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

Hello folks

As you were saying John:

(not 320? 160G seems to be a boilerplate for netbooks!)
[why have you got two?]
received wisdom seemed to be that XP was much happier
with 2G than 1, so I bought a 2G module;


You are right on there John, my speed got ahead of my attention to
detail. I have 2
because I've taken on a horse training job far from home and want to
be able to use
a satelite skype video connection to keep in touch.
Is it possible the Ram usage of XP is a consequence of some XP
applications ram requirements?
Personally I go for the faster lighter breeds though I keep
msWorks4.5, softmaker2007, and open office3.2
on hand, they all do the same jobs only progressively more
ponderously, and sometimes
I really do need a heavier tool for a particular job. I'm beginning a
big new writing and
want to run Zotero which requires Firefox 3, so need XP's horsepower.
I will have to look
0up ERUNT. Isn't the built in restore accessable from DOS? can you
not run regrestore etc?


(Though keeping the left pane in Explorer showing the tree has taken some cuffing,
and still doesn't always work, such as when opening a .zip file.)


Exactly why I installed XYPlorer and made it default shell..

(As a rough rule, I've often found that old friends whose
latest version will work with XP, but will still work with '9x, tend to
have remained speedy and simple to use.)


Now that is a great tip, thanks

I fear that's limited to the 56k ,,,

'phone line I would say that, to a first approximation, a large part
[probably 50%
of the 'net is, for practical purposes, now unusable on dialup.


Big downloads can be problematic for me but I don't use the machines
as a surogate
TV or entertainment centre, well, I do try out a lot of software, I
suppose that's
playing with machines isn't it? I do hard core research when I'm on
line and
write when I'm not.

I've used a "dot matrix" [impact] printer with XP


I rue the day I came home to find my landscape wide epson dotmatrix
had
been relegated to a dump. run by a short term overly enthusiastic
bunkmate.

There's a thing around called something like kernelx

Yes, it works wonderfully though it can create DLL hell on some 98
configurations,
I have a nice toshiba techra 8000 that belches and moans still after
a month of messing
with library version numbers.

progress is in general good.

I turned 65 a while back, you just blew your covers young fellow.

You used DOS, and survived without XTree? (For those that don't know,
it's a - character-mode - utility that gives a file/disc access
interface not that dissimilar to Windows Explorer.) In almost any old
publicity shot from my old department in which a monitor screen was
visible, the familiar blue of the XTree/XTGold screen.


I used PCTools, it had 3 windows, a directories, a files, and an
ASCII, dB, or Hex
rendering of the file itself. Then I "rented" a copy of GeoWorks which
somehow
stayed on my little 286's hard drive, 16 Mb ?
(that I ran off a solar panel, 3 car batteries, +backup honda for
winter)
That worked better than any windows till
w3.11 for workgroups I think it was. So no, I never did use norton
commander type
tools You might like some of the things XYPlorer does. It shows hex/
binary/ascii/
simple dB in a little screen at the bottom , and has a pretty good
super grep type search/replace function.

Have you run across a russian affair called Connect, or sometimes the
IBM handshaker?
It's outrageous, does everything, has a built in html reader writer,
dB, csv reader, I
can't remember all it does. Thing is though the help files and ini's
and configs are all
in flipping russian cyrilics and all. I live in the bush and have
never had help
fixing my computers when they gibble, which windows always seems to
do. (and I'm seldom rich)
You wouldn't believe the endless hours I've spent with Connect, in
DOS, trying
to recover some long file named creative work of genius (so I always
told myself)
so I could plug away at it using Qedit.

Well thanks for replying to my post you guys and good luck to you with
your netbook John
Now the cow is bawling.

yours

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.
 




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