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If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept?
I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. |
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Andy wrote:
If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 I can't check here, because my OS was installed from a Microsoft CD as WinXP SP3, so there's no undo for me. I stay at SP3, forever. Seems to work fine. Paul |
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On Friday, February 1, 2013 11:28:01 AM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 I can't check here, because my OS was installed from a Microsoft CD as WinXP SP3, so there's no undo for me. I stay at SP3, forever. Seems to work fine. Paul Unless you buy XP2, hard to find but available. I got mine for $20. Andy |
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"Paul" wrote in message
... Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. snip No... service packs for XP don't create a folder with the KB number like an update. A service pack creates a folder named $NtServicePackUninstall$. If SP2 is installed over SP1 or XP Gold, it creates the folder, and when SP3 is installed, it uses the same folder, overwriting what was there from the earlier SP. If the folder exists, there will be an entry in Add or Remove Programs to uninstall SP3.... unless the user used a utility or reg-edit to remove or hide the entry. If the entry is not in Add or Remove Programs, but the folder $NtServicePackUninstall$ still exists in the Windows directory tree, the service pack can be removed using a command in Start Run to execute $NtServicePackUninstall$\spuninst\spuninst.exe -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:02:45 AM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. Thanks for the info. Those folders are still there. Andy |
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From: "glee"
"Paul" wrote in message ... Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. snip No... service packs for XP don't create a folder with the KB number like an update. A service pack creates a folder named $NtServicePackUninstall$. If SP2 is installed over SP1 or XP Gold, it creates the folder, and when SP3 is installed, it uses the same folder, overwriting what was there from the earlier SP. If the folder exists, there will be an entry in Add or Remove Programs to uninstall SP3.... unless the user used a utility or reg-edit to remove or hide the entry. If the entry is not in Add or Remove Programs, but the folder $NtServicePackUninstall$ still exists in the Windows directory tree, the service pack can be removed using a command in Start Run to execute $NtServicePackUninstall$\spuninst\spuninst.exe Yepper... However, The problem is if there have been *many* Post SP3 updates that have been installed since SP3 was installed. As the time between the installation of SP3 increases and the number of post SP3 applied HotFixes increases, the probability of chaos increases if SP3 is uninstalled. Thus the removal of SP3 after a long time period, as described, is contraindicated. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
... From: "glee" "Paul" wrote in message ... Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. snip No... service packs for XP don't create a folder with the KB number like an update. A service pack creates a folder named $NtServicePackUninstall$. If SP2 is installed over SP1 or XP Gold, it creates the folder, and when SP3 is installed, it uses the same folder, overwriting what was there from the earlier SP. If the folder exists, there will be an entry in Add or Remove Programs to uninstall SP3.... unless the user used a utility or reg-edit to remove or hide the entry. If the entry is not in Add or Remove Programs, but the folder $NtServicePackUninstall$ still exists in the Windows directory tree, the service pack can be removed using a command in Start Run to execute $NtServicePackUninstall$\spuninst\spuninst.exe Yepper... However, The problem is if there have been *many* Post SP3 updates that have been installed since SP3 was installed. As the time between the installation of SP3 increases and the number of post SP3 applied HotFixes increases, the probability of chaos increases if SP3 is uninstalled. Thus the removal of SP3 after a long time period, as described, is contraindicated. Agreed. We don't know when the OP installed SP3. If it was some time ago, there really isn't a reason for uninstalling it now anyway. Who knows what the OP hopes to accomplish... -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:53:30 AM UTC-6, David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "glee" "Paul" wrote in message ... Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. SP3 is KB936929. Do you have a folder of that name in your $NT stuff ? Check the size, see how much stuff is in it. Does it seem "Service Pack" sized ? Something like C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB936929$ maybe. snip No... service packs for XP don't create a folder with the KB number like an update. A service pack creates a folder named $NtServicePackUninstall$. If SP2 is installed over SP1 or XP Gold, it creates the folder, and when SP3 is installed, it uses the same folder, overwriting what was there from the earlier SP. If the folder exists, there will be an entry in Add or Remove Programs to uninstall SP3.... unless the user used a utility or reg-edit to remove or hide the entry. If the entry is not in Add or Remove Programs, but the folder $NtServicePackUninstall$ still exists in the Windows directory tree, the service pack can be removed using a command in Start Run to execute $NtServicePackUninstall$\spuninst\spuninst.exe Yepper... However, The problem is if there have been *many* Post SP3 updates that have been installed since SP3 was installed. As the time between the installation of SP3 increases and the number of post SP3 applied HotFixes increases, the probability of chaos increases if SP3 is uninstalled. Thus the removal of SP3 after a long time period, as described, is contraindicated. Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp What you said does not make any sense. If I remove sp3, it should be restored to the previous sp2. The operative word is should. Now if sp3 doesn't properly uninstall,it may be necessary to do a repair or reinstall sp2. I hope that doesn't become necessary. I have seen some things "break" with sp3 patches and hot fixes. And MICROSOFT Office 2010 is interfering with an earlier version of Word as --------------------- well as hijacking the icon for .csv files that I open with a freeware program. I feel that some of Microsoft's software is written with full knowledge that it will cause conflicts with other software. This is based on documented incidents by myself and other colleagues. That is why I am considering going back to sp2. Best regards, Andy |
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Andy wrote:
What you said does not make any sense. If I remove sp3, it should be restored to the previous sp2. The operative word is should. Now if sp3 doesn't properly uninstall,it may be necessary to do a repair or reinstall sp2. I hope that doesn't become necessary. I have seen some things "break" with sp3 patches and hot fixes. And _MICROSOFT Office 2010_ is interfering with an earlier version of Word as well as hijacking the icon for .csv files that I open with a freeware program. I feel that some of Microsoft's software is written with full knowledge that it will cause conflicts with other software. This is based on documented incidents by myself and other colleagues. That is why I am considering going back to sp2. Best regards, Andy This is what backups are for. If you want to remove SP3, do a backup first. This will backup up whatever you need to restore later. Prepare the boot CD they provide as well. Downloading WAIK isn't absolutely necessary, unless you have something more than a simple desktop setup. The Linux boot CD with dedicated Macrium dialogs in it (you can't tell it's Linux), will guide you during a restore. http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp On Windows 7, the equivalent of that is the System Image function. But Macrium uses VSS on WinXP, to largely do exactly the same thing. You can back up the OS "hot" - busy files don't affect the ability to do the backup. You do need the Macrium boot CD, if restoring to "bare metal". Like after your OS got trashed say... :-) Paul |
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On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:02:45 AM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. I got lost on some of what you said. At this point I am just considering going back to sp2. I make backups frequently in zips that I store on CDs and pen drives. In the past I recall deleting a file from the hard drive that would make my sp2 install disk either a repair or reinstall the o.s. I stopped critical updates because some of them are not security related and the information about everything they do is not available. Andy |
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Andy wrote:
If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? I want to make sure they are all there before I begin. Thanks. Your computer seems to be getting more and more messed up. Why not f/disk, format, and reinstall SP2? |
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Andy typed: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:53:30 AM UTC-6, David H. .... What you said does not make any sense. If I remove sp3, it should be restored to the previous sp2. The operative word is should. It should, indeed. I've never done and and feel you're making an error in judgement here, but ,,, with SP2 installed, get ready for a big boatload of updates to SP2. If you don't allow them, anyone and everyone responding to you is wasting their time. You'll have exactly the kind of machine the virals and malware people love to come across! Non-updated machines are there favorite targets by far. And there are a lot of them. So you better have a great AV and anti-malware apps working or at the ready to keep your machine running. Now if sp3 doesn't properly uninstall,it may be necessary to do a repair or reinstall sp2. SP2 won't install if iit thinks SP3 is installed. It's more like a reinstall of your OS will be necessary and whatever SP level it might contain. An XP/SP2 is what you're wanting, but ... not so sure you should be doing that. I hope that doesn't become necessary. I have seen some things "break" with sp3 patches and hot fixes. I have yet to see ANYTHING break with SP 3 patches, updates and hot fixes. If that does happen, then it's wise to roll-badk that "patch" not throw out the whole baby. EVERY one of those iincludes an uninstall program so you can roll back the individual ones if they cause a problem. And MICROSOFT Office 2010 is interfering with an earlier version of Word as I bet it is; depending on the version, that's by design. The only way you can have two versions of office on the same machine is to be ready to allow the "reinstall" efforts every time you switch from one to another. And that assumes you did the installations in the proper order. MS explains how to do it. --------------------- well as hijacking the icon for .csv files that I open with a freeware program. That makes no sense. And is so minor as to be neglgible. If you don't like the icon, change it. I feel that some of Microsoft's software is written with full knowledge that it will cause conflicts with other software. I feel that you are damned by not having read the proper MS articles on doing some of the things you do and also you may well have some file corruption or even viruses or malware bugging you. Or is everything you're relating coming from other people? Something to keep in mind when reading about MS app problems: the millions of people without problems have no reason to be posting; it's just the ones needing help that post. This is based on documented incidents by myself and other colleagues. Why don't you provide some of that documentation? There may wel be far simpler solutions than what you are considering. That is why I am considering going back to sp2. You shouldn't do it. You're going to be going thru a lot of work for nothing. And you're going to get a lot more updates, too, as in all the ones after SP2 AND the ones that are "instead of" SP3. Unless you know more than you appear to in your posts, you are headed for the possibility of a very heavy boat-anchor sitting there on your desk. Or wherever. If you do respond, try to answer the missing information and be a lot more precise about what's doing what. Try to provide enough information to help others to help you. I believe you are heading down the wrong path and it could be a path to doom unless you like doing complete rebuilds of your discs from scratch. I'm sure there are others here who could do a great job of helping you if you could be more precise and ask a few more precise questions about that problems you yourself are experiencng. HTH, Twayne` Best regards, Andy |
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"Twayne" wrote in message ... In , Andy typed: On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:02:45 AM UTC-6, Andy wrote: If I want to go back to sp2 and remove sp3, where are the sp2 files kept? The SP2 files aren't kept anywhere special and after installation are spread all over creation on your disc. You would need to get a free download of SP2 from MS if you don't already have it someplace. No worry, it's free. Here's an eBay seller offering all 3 SPs, if download bandwidth is the problem. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261163402013...84.m1558.l2649 And no, I have no association with the seller. Chris |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:49:10 PM UTC-6, Twayne wrote:
In , Andy typed: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:53:30 AM UTC-6, David H. ... What you said does not make any sense. If I remove sp3, it should be restored to the previous sp2. The operative word is should. It should, indeed. I've never done and and feel you're making an error in judgement here, but ,,, with SP2 installed, get ready for a big boatload of updates to SP2. If you don't allow them, anyone and everyone responding to you is wasting their time. You'll have exactly the kind of machine the virals and malware people love to come across! Non-updated machines are there favorite targets by far. And there are a lot of them. So you better have a great AV and anti-malware apps working or at the ready to keep your machine running. Now if sp3 doesn't properly uninstall,it may be necessary to do a repair or reinstall sp2. SP2 won't install if iit thinks SP3 is installed. It's more like a reinstall of your OS will be necessary and whatever SP level it might contain. An XP/SP2 is what you're wanting, but ... not so sure you should be doing that. I hope that doesn't become necessary. I have seen some things "break" with sp3 patches and hot fixes. I have yet to see ANYTHING break with SP 3 patches, updates and hot fixes. If that does happen, then it's wise to roll-badk that "patch" not throw out the whole baby. EVERY one of those iincludes an uninstall program so you can roll back the individual ones if they cause a problem. And MICROSOFT Office 2010 is interfering with an earlier version of Word as I bet it is; depending on the version, that's by design. The only way you can have two versions of office on the same machine is to be ready to allow the "reinstall" efforts every time you switch from one to another. And that assumes you did the installations in the proper order. MS explains how to do it. --------------------- well as hijacking the icon for .csv files that I open with a freeware program. That makes no sense. And is so minor as to be neglgible. If you don't like the icon, change it. I feel that some of Microsoft's software is written with full knowledge that it will cause conflicts with other software. I feel that you are damned by not having read the proper MS articles on doing some of the things you do and also you may well have some file corruption or even viruses or malware bugging you. Or is everything you're relating coming from other people? Something to keep in mind when reading about MS app problems: the millions of people without problems have no reason to be posting; it's just the ones needing help that post. This is based on documented incidents by myself and other colleagues. Why don't you provide some of that documentation? There may wel be far simpler solutions than what you are considering. That is why I am considering going back to sp2. You shouldn't do it. You're going to be going thru a lot of work for nothing. And you're going to get a lot more updates, too, as in all the ones after SP2 AND the ones that are "instead of" SP3. Unless you know more than you appear to in your posts, you are headed for the possibility of a very heavy boat-anchor sitting there on your desk. Or wherever. If you do respond, try to answer the missing information and be a lot more precise about what's doing what. Try to provide enough information to help others to help you. I believe you are heading down the wrong path and it could be a path to doom unless you like doing complete rebuilds of your discs from scratch. I'm sure there are others here who could do a great job of helping you if you could be more precise and ask a few more precise questions about that problems you yourself are experiencng. HTH, Twayne` Best regards, Andy I have checked for viruses and malware. My system is clean. I use a "intrusion detection and prevention system" program on my computer. It's a lot of work setting up rules on what to allow and which to deny. It's worth the effort. When XP wanted to defrag during an idle time,(this was not a schedule event but part of the o.s. maintainance) my security program notified me and I was given the option to deny or kill or create a rule. There are also millions of people who don't post problems but use advice from friends to fix it or not or they live with it. When I installed Microsoft's security essentials program, it turned on Automatic Updates that I had disabled. That was no accident, no virus or malware behavior, but intentionally programmed by Microsoft with the full knowledge of knowing the vulnerabilites that exist by having Automatic Updates turned on. I think you have made up your mind that Microsoft makes no mistakes or sometimes behaves maliciously. I paid good money for software and I expect to use it for as long as I choose, not what some company thinks. I may post more "shenanigans" that have occurred and are still occuring, as well as fixes for those that I discover. Andy "I am not a Borg and will not be assimilated." |
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