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David H. Lipman wrote:
All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You're assuming everyone who makes consumer electronics, is honest. They're not honest. Example: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/785/1/ "The original version 1.0 Linksys SD2008 switches came with a cooling fan inside, but was removed on later revisions due to the noise level of the fan." Clever. Oh so friendly. I'm fully in favor of consumers taking matters into their own hands. If it means cutting a hole in the chassis, and fixing nonsense like that, I'm all for it. I'm not in favor, of everything you buy, being a "Dremel victim". But if the consensus is, something has been "designed to screw consumers", then by all means, fix it. Have at it. Paul |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:50:41 AM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
David H. Lipman wrote: All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You're assuming everyone who makes consumer electronics, is honest. They're not honest. Example: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/785/1/ "The original version 1.0 Linksys SD2008 switches came with a cooling fan inside, but was removed on later revisions due to the noise level of the fan." Clever. Oh so friendly. I'm fully in favor of consumers taking matters into their own hands. If it means cutting a hole in the chassis, and fixing nonsense like that, I'm all for it. I'm not in favor, of everything you buy, being a "Dremel victim". But if the consensus is, something has been "designed to screw consumers", then by all means, fix it. Have at it. Paul Paul, You are right. I don't think everybody is dishonest. For 20+ years I repaired laboratory instruments as part of my job duties as a chemical lab technician. Electronics is a hobby I enjoy as well. Thanks for not being a know-it-all like some others. :-) Andy |
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From: "Paul"
David H. Lipman wrote: All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You're assuming everyone who makes consumer electronics, is honest. They're not honest. Example: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/785/1/ "The original version 1.0 Linksys SD2008 switches came with a cooling fan inside, but was removed on later revisions due to the noise level of the fan." Clever. Oh so friendly. I'm fully in favor of consumers taking matters into their own hands. If it means cutting a hole in the chassis, and fixing nonsense like that, I'm all for it. I'm not in favor, of everything you buy, being a "Dremel victim". But if the consensus is, something has been "designed to screw consumers", then by all means, fix it. Have at it. Paul One can find an exception in almost every case. It is no wonder that Cisco sold off Linksys to Belkin. I live by my Dremel. Had two AC versions that lasted 30 years between them. I just replaced the last AC model with a cordless Lithium Ion, model 8000. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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By the way, you emailed this to me as well. I understand Google have
recently made it rather too east to accidentally tick a "Cc" box when posting. (It's also making you do double line spacing.) In message , Andy writes: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:36:56 AM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Andy writes: [] The router puts off a lot of heat and it has no fan. I used a 12 V power supply fan to make a custom fan. So far so good. Why a 12V fan - is it running from the router's own supply? (Is that 12V?) [] The fan is running off a transformer. 120 VAC - 12 V DC. I made a stand for it and mounted it. Ah, I see. (I'd been concerned that running it from the router's own supply would _add_ to the heat problem [like those laptop fans that run from a USB].) I save transformers from things I salvage. You mean power supplies (a transformer only converts AC to AC). A lot of times I will use it to power some battery powered devices if portability isn't needed. Good policy. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick. |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:24:03 PM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
By the way, you emailed this to me as well. I understand Google have recently made it rather too east to accidentally tick a "Cc" box when posting. (It's also making you do double line spacing.) In message , Andy writes: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:36:56 AM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Andy writes: [] The router puts off a lot of heat and it has no fan. I used a 12 V power supply fan to make a custom fan. So far so good. Why a 12V fan - is it running from the router's own supply? (Is that 12V?) [] The fan is running off a transformer. 120 VAC - 12 V DC. I made a stand for it and mounted it. Ah, I see. (I'd been concerned that running it from the router's own supply would _add_ to the heat problem [like those laptop fans that run from a USB].) I save transformers from things I salvage. You mean power supplies (a transformer only converts AC to AC). A lot of times I will use it to power some battery powered devices if portability isn't needed. Good policy. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick. Sorry about sending it accidentally. I am still not used to the new google. Andy |
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In message , David H.
Lipman writes: [] All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices All electronics generate heat. Even if VHF-RF devices are particularly lossy (which I question as a general principle), the amount of it in a router is minimal - milliwatts - so not that relevant here. (And it's well above VHF, too: 2.4 GHz mostly, some 5 GHz in some recent devices.) will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. How very trusting! (Plus, also, even if it happens to be true in a particular case, users have a habit of using things in ways they weren't designed: in hotter than specified temperatures, on their side, with inadequate ventilation [such as resting on a carpet], ...) I've certainly encountered equipment running hot enough that I'd be unsure of its long-term reliability. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is We're in agreement that those are good ... sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. While I agree that I wouldn't immediately blame a piece of kit that had apparently been running hot for a while _before_ the problem occurred, I wouldn't rule it out either. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You It _could_ if all of those communications are going via the device that is running hot. are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You are smug. (I realise I am being a bit, too, in response.) While I tend to agree with you that the hot device is probably not the cause, I would not make such absolute statements - and I'd try to find a kinder way to say so as well. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick. |
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From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
In message , David H. Lipman writes: [] All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices All electronics generate heat. Even if VHF-RF devices are particularly lossy (which I question as a general principle), the amount of it in a router is minimal - milliwatts - so not that relevant here. (And it's well above VHF, too: 2.4 GHz mostly, some 5 GHz in some recent devices.) will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. How very trusting! (Plus, also, even if it happens to be true in a particular case, users have a habit of using things in ways they weren't designed: in hotter than specified temperatures, on their side, with inadequate ventilation [such as resting on a carpet], ...) I've certainly encountered equipment running hot enough that I'd be unsure of its long-term reliability. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is We're in agreement that those are good ... sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. While I agree that I wouldn't immediately blame a piece of kit that had apparently been running hot for a while _before_ the problem occurred, I wouldn't rule it out either. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You It _could_ if all of those communications are going via the device that is running hot. Only in the aspect of more or less of work or not work but not partially work. are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You are smug. (I realise I am being a bit, too, in response.) While I tend to agree with you that the hot device is probably not the cause, I would not make such absolute statements - and I'd try to find a kinder way to say so as well. This is Usenet and I am not related therefore I can be blunt and not beat around the bush. However... I will consider your feedback as a valued POV. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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On Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:00:09 PM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , David H. Lipman writes: [] All devices that deal with RF generate heat as the electronics to deal with VHF tends to be very lossy in the form of heat. Those devices All electronics generate heat. Even if VHF-RF devices are particularly lossy (which I question as a general principle), the amount of it in a router is minimal - milliwatts - so not that relevant here. (And it's well above VHF, too: 2.4 GHz mostly, some 5 GHz in some recent devices.) will have adequate venting 'cause they were designed with that in mind. How very trusting! (Plus, also, even if it happens to be true in a particular case, users have a habit of using things in ways they weren't designed: in hotter than specified temperatures, on their side, with inadequate ventilation [such as resting on a carpet], ...) I've certainly encountered equipment running hot enough that I'd be unsure of its long-term reliability. As long as the device (such as a Cable Modem or Cable Modem+Router) has adequeate ventilation (grills not blocked) and space around it is We're in agreement that those are good ... sufficient, there is absolutely no reason to supplement its cooling with a fan. Whiles the implementation of supplemental cooling is not detrimental, it is indicative of faulty logic in dealing with perceived computing issues. While I agree that I wouldn't immediately blame a piece of kit that had apparently been running hot for a while _before_ the problem occurred, I wouldn't rule it out either. Such heat that such RF devices generate will NOT affect an attached computer's Windows Sockets, TCP/IP stack or data communications. You It _could_ if all of those communications are going via the device that is running hot. are not even in the ballfield and I am again back to a declaration of PEBCAK. In fact I will now go further and state computer based Munchausen Syndrome is evident. You are smug. (I realise I am being a bit, too, in response.) While I tend to agree with you that the hot device is probably not the cause, I would not make such absolute statements - and I'd try to find a kinder way to say so as well. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick. It's been 2 days that the fan has been cooling off the router. I have not had a single loss of internet connectivity. It's not enuf to prove it was heat related. But I think it's pretty hard to prove that the cable company is at fault. Andy |
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