O.T. Computer Cleaning Maintenance:

I went to the Nivida site and tried to look up the
correct driver:

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

I tried checking the older drivers also but I don't
see a GEForce2 MX driver

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Ok, this time although slow there
were no script pop-ups.

Here's the 82oo driver information
but it didn't give me any update links
and as you know I have a bad history
of picking the wrong download which
has lead to previous problems.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2nm0vvd.jpg

Robert

Looks like maybe 162.40 driver ?

This would be a 2006 driver, for a card created
in 2004 or early 2005. Maybe this would work better.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_93.71_2

You go to Add/Remove programs and remove the existing
NVidia driver. Reboot. Machine comes up in VESA video
mode (640x480). Find the 93.71 driver you just downloaded and
install it. Reboot. You should then be back in business.

If you were running a 300 series driver, like the one
on the 8500, then I'd definitely blame that for making
a mess. But the 162 driver probably isn't that
far out of the class of the card.

I've used the driver archive before on the NVidia site,
to pick drivers for specific purposes. (When you use
the search box on the NVidia site, include the word
"archive" in the search, along with whatever other details
you had in mind.) If you have a Win2K or Win98 era setup,
then drivers of a series less than 100 are involved.

The article here, down near the bottom they give
driver version information. I've used the 81.98 driver
probably for more than Win98.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_series

What you look for is:

1) WHQL in the driver title.
2) Card model in the supported hardware list.
3) Good recommendations if you Google the card and
that driver number.

On the one hand, there might be some legit reason
to select a later driver. Even though code development
for old cards stops after a while, and the same source
is just recompiled and put into the later driver.
So if you installed 307.83, the basic driver code
(the DLLs that make the card work in the desktop)
probably haven't changed since 93.71 era. Sometimes,
something structural in the driver could change, or
maybe something needs to be changed to accommodate
something Microsoft did in a security update. But in
terms of "making the card work better", the
newer drivers don't necessarily help all that much.

Note that the 93.71 driver, also supports the
Geforce2 MX. So both card choices are covered.

*******

I have had a modern driver slow down an older card.
But the company involved in that case was Matrox. They
were making nicer drivers. Visually, there were some
improvements in their more modern drivers. But the
setup was getting slower and slower (and you would
notice right after the driver update). So that
offered an incentive to move back to an older
driver.

I think the oldest NVidia I have here, is a
Geforce3 TI200. And before that, I bought a
TNT2 card from NVidia, and it overloaded the
voltage regulator on my year 1999 or so motherboard
and all I got was a black screen. So back to the
store it went (because I bought it at a
local mall). So I didn't buy another NVidia until
Geforce3 era.

Paul

I deleted the Nvidia driver from the
add/remove list then restarted the
8200 but I muffed saving the file. In
any case, I downloaded it again ran it.


During the process it came up with the
6200 wasn't tested and did I wish to
continue? I clicked yes. It came back
just as you said it would and screen
resolution is 800x600.

I changed the resolution to 1024x768
and tried to open the Google page but
the script pop-up returned. I then
changed the resolution back to 800x600
and tried again but with the same result.

In passing, remember the RealTec file that
was puzzling? That's for the Ethernet card.

Robert

Oh after deleting the Nvidia driver and
rebooting when it came back up it detected
new hardware (6200) and a pop-up appeared
and said if I had a disk that came with it
to insert it.

Since I was going to be downloading the driver
and I had no disk I cancelled it.


Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Oh after deleting the Nvidia driver and
rebooting when it came back up it detected
new hardware (6200) and a pop-up appeared
and said if I had a disk that came with it
to insert it.

Since I was going to be downloading the driver
and I had no disk I cancelled it.


Robert

Yes, you can cancel the initial detection
and install the file you downloaded in its
place.

The hardest cases on a computer, are when
the stupid computer keeps using the old driver,
no matter how much you try to remove it. Grrr.

Paul

The card should arrive on Thursday and I
just hope it resolves the problem.

Robert

You think because we didn't have a
chance to do the video card the
'right' way it keeps reverting back
to the old driver?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
You think because we didn't have a
chance to do the video card the
'right' way it keeps reverting back
to the old driver?

Robert

I see no symptoms of that.

I just don't know :-)

*******

There *are* methods for dealing with this,
but I'm not going to trash your machine by
suggesting them :-) For example, there was
a third-party thing called "Detonator Destroyer"
available years ago, that would clean out NVidia.
But my policy now is, if NVidia refuses to provide
a driver removal tool of their own, then I'm not
going to put other people at risk by using the
cleaner stuff. The state of support on the cleaners
might not be that good, so you really don't
know what the outcome will be.

You can see here, they just keep creating new
ones. There's no way to predict what will happen
when using stuff like this.

http://www.guru3d.com/content_page/g...r_sweeper.html

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/...-download.html

Paul

I suppose then our best plan for now
is to wait for the card on Thursday
and go from there?

I'm hoping since its the same make of
card as the original it will work and
these problems will disappear.


Robert

Just to let you know,,,

I was on the 8500 and opened a story on
MSN and I got a flash plug-in pop-up similar
to the script pop-up and it disabled the flash
player on anothr site I was on at the time.

I closed MSN and reset the other site and all
seems fine but with 12 GB of RAM this shouldn't
happen at all should it?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Just to let you know,,,

I was on the 8500 and opened a story on
MSN and I got a flash plug-in pop-up similar
to the script pop-up and it disabled the flash
player on anothr site I was on at the time.

I closed MSN and reset the other site and all
seems fine but with 12 GB of RAM this shouldn't
happen at all should it?

Robert


I doubt it is out of RAM in any case.

The Flash player becomes disabled, if the
list the browser downloads from Mozilla,
says the plugin should be disabled.

When a Flash plugin is known to be vulnerable,
Mozilla distributes (via their list), instructions
to the browser to show the cross-hatched symbol.
The user can still activate the plugin, knowing
that a Flash exploit could tip over the browser
or the computer.

You fix that by keeping the Flash plugin up
to date. One status for Flash is "vulnerable
but no patch available". In which case, it might
be a day or two, before "vulnerable but patch available"
is the next status. And you can update it.

And yes, I have seen Flash plugin requests show
as a *separate* dialog box. But at the time,
I was using a browser which did not have Flash
at all. I don't recollect seeing a separate
dialog, for any browser that had Flash installed.
The Flash could be disabled, but usually the
web site itself doesn't get upset by that.
As the problem can be resolved at the user
end, if the user sees the warning often enough.

You can do a version check on the 8500 by visiting here.

http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

In my case, it says I'm behind on updates.

"You have 18,0,0,209 installed"

"Current version

Firefox, Mozilla - NPAPI 18.0.0.232"

So I need to update.

https://www.adobe.com/products/flash...ribution3.html

(For putting Flash in Internet Explorer...)

https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/ge...8_active_x.exe

(For putting Flash in Firefox...)

https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/ge..._18_plugin.exe

On my setup, I use the second one, then disable the
new Flash in Firefox and check the Flash in Seamonkey
is working. The bottom download does both Firefox/Seamonkey,
but I only allow Flash to run on Seamonkey. When I don't
want Flash on my screen, I use my Firefox for that.

HTH,
Paul

I followed your first link and updated
the Flash player to 18,0,0,232

Is there anything else I should do?

Here's my plug-ins:

http://i57.tinypic.com/11vthk3.jpg

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I followed your first link and updated
the Flash player to 18,0,0,232

Is there anything else I should do?

Here's my plug-ins:

http://i57.tinypic.com/11vthk3.jpg

Robert

Looks good.

Try it like that for a while, and
see if things work any better.

Paul

I had a FF update pop-up tonight but it
disappeared before I could click it. So
I went the FF menu and selected help then
about Firefox as they instructed and it
was suppose to search for updates but it
did nothing.

Below it gave instructions in case this
didn't work but I'm always leery of such
things from previous experience.

So I would rather come and ask you for a
safe way to do this.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I had a FF update pop-up tonight but it
disappeared before I could click it. So
I went the FF menu and selected help then
about Firefox as they instructed and it
was suppose to search for updates but it
did nothing.

Below it gave instructions in case this
didn't work but I'm always leery of such
things from previous experience.

So I would rather come and ask you for a
safe way to do this.

Robert

From the top menu bar

Help : About Firefox : Check for Updates (button)

If you do not have a menu bar that says

File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help

at the top of the screen, right-click the colored
area right above the white main pane of the tool,
and there should be a tick box in the six-item
menu for "Menu Bar". Once ticked, you end up
with the familiar menu bar. And that will give
access to Help : About Firefox : Check for Updates.

Your copy of Firefox could be on the Release
stream (if downloaded from the main mozilla.org
page). Or, if could be a part of the Beta stream,
if you downloaded the installer originally from
a beta release. The release number differs
by around 1 or so. So if release is Firefox 39,
perhaps beta is Firefox 40. This doesn't particularly
matter, except when your version doesn't match my
version. That's one of the reasons why it can happen.

Paul