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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
In message , Mayayana
writes: "R.Wieser" wrote [] | Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? I've | tried ALT (keep it pressed) x0937 (release), but that returns a copyright | symbol which is sorted way before the any of letters. I didn't know you could do that. It seems to do nothing for me on XP. (a) The Num Lock has to be in a certain state - I forget which, on IIRR - and (b) you have to type the numbers on the numpad, not the top row. _Does_ work in XP (I think it did even in '9x). (Not having a numpad, I now use AllChars - see previous post - and think I might now even if I did have a numpad again.) I know there is... or was... a charmap applet for entering ANSI characters above 127, but I've never really used it. Start, run, charmap (doesn't have to be from a DOS box), or it's (as "Character Map") under Accessories (near the calculator) on XP. I think; on 7 it's under Accessories | System Tools, so might be on XP too. I've found it a bit awkward - in Word, it always selects a strange font size (13 IIRR) and adds a newline, for example - but it is there. [] I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. Wouldn't it be easiest to just use "zz" to put something at the end? I know you're a connoisseur of precise technique, but in this case it doesn't seem worth the trouble. I use ! for topping - easy to type and stands out. A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose sort order in Explorer (and possibly other things); the "smart" (default) setting knows about numbers even when embedded, so sorts a1b, a2b, a10b, whereas the dumb setting sorts a1b, a10b, a2b (i. e. sorts on a character-by-character basis). I don't know if it has any other differences, but it might be worth playing with. I can't remember where it is - might have been in some tweaker utility rather than accessible in a system menu somewhere. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times, 3-9 July 2010 |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
In message , Mayayana
writes: Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote | I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. | Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. I often by default rename the pics from a camera as e. g. 2019-10-03 15-33-18; IrfanView can even do it automatically for all files in a folder (batch rename string $E36867 for anyone wanting to), from the EXIF data in the files. [I think some other image softwares can do the same.] You might also, even without that, have "2018 results.xml", "1965 winning team.jpg", "10th draft.doc" ... -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times, 3-9 July 2010 |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
"R.Wieser" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:14:42 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Hello all, I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files). Simplest method I've found "prepend" ZZZ_ to a file name. e.g., ZZZ_lastfilename.txt Unless there is a file ZZZZ-Something else WHich will show up after it. Messing with special characters just adds more complexity to your life. Unless that is something you want to learn about. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:38:18
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: I often by default rename the pics from a camera as e. g. 2019-10-03 15-33-18; IrfanView can even do it automatically for all files in a folder (batch rename string $E36867 for anyone wanting to), from the EXIF data in the files. [I think some other image softwares can do the same.] Ooh, thanks. I will have to try that. You might also, even without that, have "2018 results.xml", "1965 winning team.jpg", "10th draft.doc" ... 20191005_3rdQRT Report Not to confuse it with the other quarterly reports. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
"Mayayana" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:25:47 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote | I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. | Dang. I remember hashing dates to a two character prefix (MonthDay_filename) and I _seem_ to remember it was [A..Z,0..5] so that the dates "sorted". But it has been many many years - back when I could assign my own extensions {filename.QUT filename.POL, etc) Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. Date order 20191001_Filename.txt I've several of the form: _1_Shortcut _2-Shortcut2 so it is easier for me to find them. Usually batch files. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
On 03.10.19 16:25, Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote | I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. | Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. To get the file to display in the top of the dir listing. |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote | I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. I don't have many, but in my main folder, I've about 25 - mainly documentation - files starting with a number/digit. Some examples: 12VDC_laptop_adapter, 160GB_Iomega_eGo, 4WD_campervan, 80Mbps_VDSL_Vectoring, 83.117.rec (IP range info). So basically any subject/topic which happens to start with a number/digit. And - as John (J. P. Gilliver) mentioned -, many, many folders and files, containing photos, sorted by year/date. |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:25:47 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote | I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. | Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. Most folks wouldn't. That's why they call it alpha-numeric. Once you know the rule, what's the problem? |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:14:42 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather different one ... whut? The decorated "z" is Alt 0158 and not Alt 158. The leading 0 makes a difference. [f'ups trimmed to 1 group] |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
On 03/10/2019 15:25:47, Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. I do it all the time both for files and folders when sorting photos. e.g. yearly folder named 2019, then sub folders 01 January, 02 February. 03 March, etc. -- mick |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
Ralph,
The decorated "z" is Alt 0158 and not Alt 158. The leading 0 makes a difference. Thanks for that, and indeed it does. Didn't recon with it. Its a character to remember. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
John,
Start, run, charmap I forgot all about that one. I've found a character , U+E83A (info as displayed at the bottom left), thats sorted after all letter symbols, but have no idea what its code would be for an ALT xxxx sequence. That is, I do not see a "keystroke:" description in the bottom right. Odd, although I have to type a four-digit sequence only values upto 255 seem to be accepted (tried a few above it, but got nothing back) ... I use ! for topping - easy to type and stands out. :-) There are 14 symbols (apart from the space character) that are sorted before it. Including the minus sign and singlequote. But yes, I also use it. Hard to shake that ASCI order muscle memory. A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose sort order in Explorer Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-(( Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
R.Wieser wrote:
[...] A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose sort order in Explorer Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-(( That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt window, i.e. dir letter* and Bob's your uncle. FWIW, I've about 3000 files in my home directory and by using '*' and '?' wildcards in a 'dir' command, it's trivial to find a file if I only know/remember part of the filename. For example dir *Clio* gives me all the information files about my car, and dir *142* gives me all the files related to a specific laptop of ours (HP Pavilion 15-p142nd). In my home directory, I'm actually *not* using sub-directories [1], because it's easier to find a file with the dir-method, than to try to remember in which sub-directory a file might be. (Yes, I could use sub-directories and a recursive dir command (/s), but I just don't bother.) N.B. This doesn't mean I don't use File Explorer to access files, it's just an extra method to find (the names of) files. [1] Well, I do have some sub-directories, but not many. |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
"R.Wieser" wrote in message
... Hello all, I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files). I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather different one ... whut? I repeated the filename creation using CreateFilenameA (kernel32) , but ran into the same. :-( So, next to my above, initial need I could do with an explanation to why I can create filenames that I cannot recreate using the keyboard in "windows explorer", and possibly a method to how to get those characters anyway (preferrably by keyboard). Remark: The OS this has been found and tested on is XPsp3. Though I think that the above might well also happen on the OSes (7 & 10) of the newsgroups I crossposted to, and as such I've opted to broaden my chance of finding someone who knows about it. My apologies if I misjudged. My method, found by trial & error, is to add a hyphen space to the front of a file to make them appear at the top of the list. Others have already promoted zz on the front to make the file appear last. For other symbols, that I may occasionally need but can't remember, I keep in a text file & copy & paste them as needed. The tick character is the one that I've had the most problems over the years. That's why there are several versions in the following list ✓ ✔ ✓ = Alt 10003 ✔ = Alt 10004 √ = Alt 0252 @ = Alt 64 ô = 0244 Degree ° = Alt 248 Diameter Ø = Alt 2205 New line = Ctrl + m Divide ÷ - Alt 0247 Bullet • = Alt 7 Dollar $ = Alt 36 Cent = ¢ = Alt 0162 Euro = € = Alt 0128 Yen = ¥ = Alt 0165 Mu = µ = Alt 230 -- Regards wasbit |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes: R.Wieser wrote: [...] A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose sort order in Explorer Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-(( That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt window, i.e. dir letter* and Bob's your uncle. FWIW, I've about 3000 files in my home directory and by using '*' and '?' wildcards in a 'dir' command, it's trivial to find a file if I only know/remember part of the filename. For example dir *Clio* gives me all the information files about my car, and dir *142* gives me all the files related to a specific laptop of ours (HP Pavilion 15-p142nd). In my home directory, I'm actually *not* using sub-directories [1], because it's easier to find a file with the dir-method, than to try to remember in which sub-directory a file might be. (Yes, I could use sub-directories and a recursive dir command (/s), but I just don't bother.) N.B. This doesn't mean I don't use File Explorer to access files, it's just an extra method to find (the names of) files. [1] Well, I do have some sub-directories, but not many. Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility? That's _very_ quick, works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s, etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you can't construct a coherent argument for the other side, you probably don't understand your own opinion. - Scott Adams, 2015 |
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