2 Hard Drives... 2 Perect Bootable Copies...

Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

"G.Beat" wrote in message
...
"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
I tried V11.0 when I had the error in my previous message. I tried V10.0
tonight which made a perfect copy, but the drive is not bootable. I
wonder if this has to do with Disk Management since Windows XP was
originally installed to C:\ and when booting from D:\ it sees that it was
not the original drive for some reason. I need to leave both drives in at
the same time.

What I want to do is leave both drives in, run a program that will make a
perfect, bootable copy of Windows XP on C:\ to D:\. I don't want to have
a simple file backup. I want it to work exactly like C:\.

BTJustice


The partition on the copied MUST be set to active. Some programs fail to
perform this step. PartitionMagic can quickly resolve this problem.

gb

His goal as I understand is not to boot from D: but have an image of C: on
D: and restore from D: to C: in case of trouble.
So he needs :
- image of C: on D:
- copy of MBR of C: just in case MBR gets corrupt as well

Best way is Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage, but both are commercial
packages ( although not very expensive, and both can now create the image
from within an active windows session, making it easy to do while working)

Freeware :
- http://www.partition-saving.com/ ( DOS based)


Pivert

"R. McCarty" a écrit dans le message de
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Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

"G.Beat" wrote in message
...
"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
I tried V11.0 when I had the error in my previous message. I tried
V10.0
tonight which made a perfect copy, but the drive is not bootable. I
wonder if this has to do with Disk Management since Windows XP was
originally installed to C:\ and when booting from D:\ it sees that it
was
not the original drive for some reason. I need to leave both drives in
at
the same time.

What I want to do is leave both drives in, run a program that will make
a
perfect, bootable copy of Windows XP on C:\ to D:\. I don't want to
have
a simple file backup. I want it to work exactly like C:\.

BTJustice


The partition on the copied MUST be set to active. Some programs fail
to
perform this step. PartitionMagic can quickly resolve this problem.

gb

You better just spend some money and obtain a program that is made to do
what you want. Use Drive Image 7.0, Ghost 9.0 or TrueImage, and be done with
it!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
Maybe, but I want to stick with a Windows or DOS program that is easy to
use. Linux and easy are usually not in the same sentence.

Thanks,
BTJustice

"Andy" wrote in message
...
One possibility: boot up from one of those CD-based Linux
distributions and use the dd command.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:35:35 -0500, "Buford T. Justice"
wrote:

I have a computer with 2 completely identical 200 GB Western Digital hard
drives. Windows XP is installed on the PRIMARY MASTER which is C:\. The
other hard drive is the PRIMARY SLAVE and is D:\. It also has nothing on
it. Both are partitioned and formatted identically with NTFS.

I want to do one of the following...

1) Find a free, extremely easy to use program for Windows XP that will
make
a PERFECT copy of C:\ to D:\ and make D:\ bootable in case I mess up
something on C:\. This way I can still have Windows XP from my last
'backup' to D:\. I would then want to run the 'backup' in reverse from
D:\
to C:\ in order to fix C:\. I realize the 'new' C:\ would be the same as
D:\ which is what I want.

2) Find a free, extremely easy to use program that uses something like
Caldera DR DOS to boot from a floppy and will automatically make a
perfect,
bootable copy of C:\ to D:\ and can be reversible if I mess up C:\.

Is any of the above possible? I realize with both of the above that I
would
have to jump D:\ as the PRIMARY MASTER so it is seen as C:\ to use it in
case I mess up something on the original C:\ to restore my 'backup'.
With
both, I want it to preserve file & folder dates, directory structures,
etc.

Thanks In Advance,
BTJustice

Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

One possible way to do this is to put the D drive on the Master
position of the Secondary IDE channel. Clone drive C to drive D.
If you want to boot from drive D, manually unplug your two IDE
ribbon cables and switch them around, so that the Secondary
channel becomes the Primary channel. I've done this. It only takes
a few moments, and is much easier than physically switching the
locations of the drives. By switching the plugs of the ribbon
cables on the motherboard, you could make either drive your boot
drive.

That is exactly what I did, but it would not boot. With both drives plugged
in, can the active partition be changed easily in Windows XP's Disk
Management section?

BTJustice

"R. McCarty" wrote in message
ink.net...
Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

"G.Beat" wrote in message
...
"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
I tried V11.0 when I had the error in my previous message. I tried V10.0
tonight which made a perfect copy, but the drive is not bootable. I
wonder if this has to do with Disk Management since Windows XP was
originally installed to C:\ and when booting from D:\ it sees that it was
not the original drive for some reason. I need to leave both drives in
at the same time.

What I want to do is leave both drives in, run a program that will make
a perfect, bootable copy of Windows XP on C:\ to D:\. I don't want to
have a simple file backup. I want it to work exactly like C:\.

BTJustice


The partition on the copied MUST be set to active. Some programs fail to
perform this step. PartitionMagic can quickly resolve this problem.

gb

I think I am going to give Norton Ghost a try. I just hope the D:\ 'clone'
is bootable.

BTJustice

"Pivert" wrote in message
...
His goal as I understand is not to boot from D: but have an image of C: on
D: and restore from D: to C: in case of trouble.
So he needs :
- image of C: on D:
- copy of MBR of C: just in case MBR gets corrupt as well

Best way is Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage, but both are commercial
packages ( although not very expensive, and both can now create the image
from within an active windows session, making it easy to do while working)

Freeware :
- http://www.partition-saving.com/ ( DOS based)


Pivert

"R. McCarty" a écrit dans le message de
ink.net...
Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With
both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

"G.Beat" wrote in message
...
"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
I tried V11.0 when I had the error in my previous message. I tried
V10.0
tonight which made a perfect copy, but the drive is not bootable. I
wonder if this has to do with Disk Management since Windows XP was
originally installed to C:\ and when booting from D:\ it sees that it
was
not the original drive for some reason. I need to leave both drives in
at
the same time.

What I want to do is leave both drives in, run a program that will
make
a
perfect, bootable copy of Windows XP on C:\ to D:\. I don't want to
have
a simple file backup. I want it to work exactly like C:\.

BTJustice


The partition on the copied MUST be set to active. Some programs fail
to
perform this step. PartitionMagic can quickly resolve this problem.

gb

That sounds like it could work. I will try it when I get a chance.

BTJustice

"Al Smith" wrote in message
...
Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With
both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

One possible way to do this is to put the D drive on the Master position
of the Secondary IDE channel. Clone drive C to drive D. If you want to
boot from drive D, manually unplug your two IDE ribbon cables and switch
them around, so that the Secondary channel becomes the Primary channel.
I've done this. It only takes a few moments, and is much easier than
physically switching the locations of the drives. By switching the plugs
of the ribbon cables on the motherboard, you could make either drive your
boot drive.

That's what I am starting to think, LOL!

BTJustice

"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
You better just spend some money and obtain a program that is made to do
what you want. Use Drive Image 7.0, Ghost 9.0 or TrueImage, and be done
with it!

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
Maybe, but I want to stick with a Windows or DOS program that is easy to
use. Linux and easy are usually not in the same sentence.

Thanks,
BTJustice

"Andy" wrote in message
...
One possibility: boot up from one of those CD-based Linux
distributions and use the dd command.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:35:35 -0500, "Buford T. Justice"
wrote:

I have a computer with 2 completely identical 200 GB Western Digital
hard
drives. Windows XP is installed on the PRIMARY MASTER which is C:\.
The
other hard drive is the PRIMARY SLAVE and is D:\. It also has nothing
on
it. Both are partitioned and formatted identically with NTFS.

I want to do one of the following...

1) Find a free, extremely easy to use program for Windows XP that will
make
a PERFECT copy of C:\ to D:\ and make D:\ bootable in case I mess up
something on C:\. This way I can still have Windows XP from my last
'backup' to D:\. I would then want to run the 'backup' in reverse from
D:\
to C:\ in order to fix C:\. I realize the 'new' C:\ would be the same
as
D:\ which is what I want.

2) Find a free, extremely easy to use program that uses something like
Caldera DR DOS to boot from a floppy and will automatically make a
perfect,
bootable copy of C:\ to D:\ and can be reversible if I mess up C:\.

Is any of the above possible? I realize with both of the above that I
would
have to jump D:\ as the PRIMARY MASTER so it is seen as C:\ to use it in
case I mess up something on the original C:\ to restore my 'backup'.
With
both, I want it to preserve file & folder dates, directory structures,
etc.

Thanks In Advance,
BTJustice

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:58:31 GMT, "R. McCarty"
wrote:

Even with an exact image & set Active, you'll have issues with trying to
boot from the D:\ copy. For you to test it, you'll have to "Hide" the C:
drive. D: is an exact image, but it's contents all point/use C:. With both
C: & D: seen by BIOS and enumerated by XP it's always going to try
and boot from C:. Perhaps this is confusing - but the point is you can
image C: -D: but to boot from D: you'll have it make it appear to the
system as C:. (Hide or Unplug the original C: disk).

You can have the OS build a boot menu that will point to the correct
drive. I believe you can do it from msconfig and if you can't do it
there ( I know you can remove them from msconfig not sure about adding
an OS) you can do it from the recovery prompt you access by doing and
install. If you're really good you can do it by editing the boot.ini
but you need to actually know.



"G.Beat" wrote in message
. ..
"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
I tried V11.0 when I had the error in my previous message. I tried V10.0
tonight which made a perfect copy, but the drive is not bootable. I
wonder if this has to do with Disk Management since Windows XP was
originally installed to C:\ and when booting from D:\ it sees that it was
not the original drive for some reason. I need to leave both drives in at
the same time.

What I want to do is leave both drives in, run a program that will make a
perfect, bootable copy of Windows XP on C:\ to D:\. I don't want to have
a simple file backup. I want it to work exactly like C:\.

BTJustice


The partition on the copied MUST be set to active. Some programs fail to
perform this step. PartitionMagic can quickly resolve this problem.

gb

With Drive Image there are options whether to copy the MBR, make the
disk
bootable and a few other choices.

"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
That's what I am starting to think, LOL!

BTJustice

"Richard Urban" wrote in
message ...
You better just spend some money and obtain a program that is made
to do what you want. Use Drive Image 7.0, Ghost 9.0 or TrueImage,
and be done with it!

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Buford T. Justice" wrote in message
...
Maybe, but I want to stick with a Windows or DOS program that is
easy to use. Linux and easy are usually not in the same sentence.

"Andy" wrote in message
...
One possibility: boot up from one of those CD-based Linux
distributions and use the dd command.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:17:41 -0500, "Buford T. Justice"
wrote:

Maybe, but I want to stick with a Windows or DOS program that is easy to
use. Linux and easy are usually not in the same sentence.

Thanks,
BTJustice

"Andy" wrote in message
.. .
One possibility: boot up from one of those CD-based Linux
distributions and use the dd command.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:35:35 -0500, "Buford T. Justice"
wrote:

I have a computer with 2 completely identical 200 GB Western Digital hard
drives. Windows XP is installed on the PRIMARY MASTER which is C:\. The
other hard drive is the PRIMARY SLAVE and is D:\. It also has nothing on
it. Both are partitioned and formatted identically with NTFS.

I want to do one of the following...

1) Find a free, extremely easy to use program for Windows XP that will
make
a PERFECT copy of C:\ to D:\ and make D:\ bootable in case I mess up
something on C:\. This way I can still have Windows XP from my last
'backup' to D:\. I would then want to run the 'backup' in reverse from
D:\
to C:\ in order to fix C:\. I realize the 'new' C:\ would be the same as
D:\ which is what I want.

2) Find a free, extremely easy to use program that uses something like
Caldera DR DOS to boot from a floppy and will automatically make a
perfect,
bootable copy of C:\ to D:\ and can be reversible if I mess up C:\.

Is any of the above possible? I realize with both of the above that I
would
have to jump D:\ as the PRIMARY MASTER so it is seen as C:\ to use it in
case I mess up something on the original C:\ to restore my 'backup'. With
both, I want it to preserve file & folder dates, directory structures,
etc.

Thanks In Advance,
BTJustice

The Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tools V10.0 seems to work. I can't boot
from D:\, but I can restore from D:\ to C:\ and C:\ will boot again. Thanks
for all the info guys.

BTJustice