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I have a couple of external hard disks connected, 2Tb & 500Gb. The 2Tb disk has a folder called Music on it with over 4000 folders within it, each folder is a cd/album. I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. At the end of it I received a query to copy 50+ files overwritting what was already there? ??? Why would it not have already copied them and/or what are they doing on the original disk in the first place if they have duplicate names? In any case, I answered Yes/Allow and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before also. The difference appears to be the same number of files. WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable in it's most basic of operations. Can't even be sure anymore copying files is done properly and sure didn't have things like long stalls etc. happen in XP but sure showed themselves starting with Vista. Often enough, you'd swear a hard disk has gone offline, e.g. 10-15+ second stalls before window is filled with file/folder listings etc. That's even sometimes simply double clicking on a drive icon in MY Computer to open a drive at the root level. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? I'm open to suggestions rather than manually searching each and every folder. P.S. I have Search etc. all turned off. |
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pjp wrote:
I have a couple of external hard disks connected, 2Tb& 500Gb. The 2Tb disk has a folder called Music on it with over 4000 folders within it, each folder is a cd/album. I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. At the end of it I received a query to copy 50+ files overwritting what was already there? ??? Why would it not have already copied them and/or what are they doing on the original disk in the first place if they have duplicate names? In any case, I answered Yes/Allow and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before also. The difference appears to be the same number of files. WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable in it's most basic of operations. Can't even be sure anymore copying files is done properly and sure didn't have things like long stalls etc. happen in XP but sure showed themselves starting with Vista. Often enough, you'd swear a hard disk has gone offline, e.g. 10-15+ second stalls before window is filled with file/folder listings etc. That's even sometimes simply double clicking on a drive icon in MY Computer to open a drive at the root level. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? I'm open to suggestions rather than manually searching each and every folder. P.S. I have Search etc. all turned off. Two ideas occur to me. One is the shaky-hand syndrome whereby it's easy to accidentally copy a folder when using some of the Windows navigation boxes. To check for those do a Search for "Copy". The second is caused by Windows Media Player. It loves to scour the Net for info on all albums that it's ripped, sometimes depositing several versions of album pictures in the folder. To see those you have to go to Tools/ Folder Options/ View, and untick "Hide Protected Operating System Files". They'll show up with names beginning "AlbumArt...". You can also enter "AlbumArt" into the Search box, and get an idea of how many you have. Come back if you want more. This is my speciality area. Ed |
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... . . . I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. . . . and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before . . . WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable We do not have to use MS tools (that nowadays conceal their parameters.) Tools like XXCOPY make all the parameters visible while automating long tasks, e.g. can display final results. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? How much does the 50/70,000 difference matter in practice, if you cannot locate the difference? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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"Don Phillipson" écrivait news:jqfgm3$3s9$2
@speranza.aioe.org: "pjp" wrote in message ... . . . I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. . . . and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before . . . WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable We do not have to use MS tools (that nowadays conceal their parameters.) Tools like XXCOPY make all the parameters visible while automating long tasks, e.g. can display final results. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? How much does the 50/70,000 difference matter in practice, if you cannot locate the difference? This happens to me too with all types of files, doing backups (drag and drop). Since files with the same filename are not supposed to reside in the same folder, the copy function shouldn't find duplicates on an EMPTY drive, should it? |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:32:11 -0300, pjp
wrote: In article , says... "Don Phillipson" écrivait news:jqfgm3$3s9$2 @speranza.aioe.org: "pjp" wrote in message ... . . . I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. . . . and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before . . . WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable We do not have to use MS tools (that nowadays conceal their parameters.) Tools like XXCOPY make all the parameters visible while automating long tasks, e.g. can display final results. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? Try running a tool that synchronizes stuff and use a mode that tells you what the differences are. I recommend Super Flexible File Synchronizer (http://www.superflexible.com/) and Salty Brine's Folder Match (http://www.foldermatch.com/fminfo.htm). Folder Match is better for ad-hoc things. Super Flexible File Synchronizer runs faster and makes a few checks that Folder Match doesn't. How much does the 50/70,000 difference matter in practice, if you cannot locate the difference? This happens to me too with all types of files, doing backups (drag and drop). Since files with the same filename are not supposed to reside in the same folder, the copy function shouldn't find duplicates on an EMPTY drive, should it? Exactly. I copied from a drive to a freshly formatted external. I simply dragged the "home" (e.g. D:\Music) folder to the new drive by holding right mouse button and when dropped choosing "Copy". I can't think of anyway it should then come up at the end asking if I wanted to overwrite some specific files. Didn't help it only showed the filename and not the full path. Guess I'm expected to manually have to examine each and every folder comparing it with the copy to determine where and what the problem is. As it stands now what I'm doing is copying "sections" at a time, e.g. all the folders that start with "A" then "B" etc. A not so nice all day adventure given the number of folders (4000+) and files (70,000+) involved. |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:32:11 -0300, pjp wrote:
Exactly. I copied from a drive to a freshly formatted external. I simply dragged the "home" (e.g. D:\Music) folder to the new drive by holding right mouse button and when dropped choosing "Copy". I can't think of anyway it should then come up at the end asking if I wanted to overwrite some specific files. It's not relevant to this issue, but the right-click was unnecessary. "Copy" is the default action for dragging files to a different disk or partition, so it would have happened with a normal left-click-and- drag. I wonder if, without realizing it, you jiggled the mouse slightly at the wrong moment. A common problem is when selecting multiple files with Ctrl-click, one accidentally shifts the mouse slightly after clicking and creates copies of all the files. For cleanup, or if you just don't trust Windows copy, I recommend the free Karen's Replicator, which I've been using for several years: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp In the job settings, make sure to tell it to replicate deletions; that will delete any files on the destination disk that aren't on the source disk. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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says... On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:32:11 -0300, pjp wrote: Exactly. I copied from a drive to a freshly formatted external. I simply dragged the "home" (e.g. D:\Music) folder to the new drive by holding right mouse button and when dropped choosing "Copy". I can't think of anyway it should then come up at the end asking if I wanted to overwrite some specific files. It's not relevant to this issue, but the right-click was unnecessary. "Copy" is the default action for dragging files to a different disk or partition, so it would have happened with a normal left-click-and- drag. I wonder if, without realizing it, you jiggled the mouse slightly at the wrong moment. A common problem is when selecting multiple files with Ctrl-click, one accidentally shifts the mouse slightly after clicking and creates copies of all the files. Not really possible circumstance. I always right click and drag because it's then explicit if you want to copy or move the target. I find Windows defaults to different actions depending upon circumstance so I have to think For cleanup, or if you just don't trust Windows copy, I recommend the free Karen's Replicator, which I've been using for several years: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp In the job settings, make sure to tell it to replicate deletions; that will delete any files on the destination disk that aren't on the source disk. |
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:32:11 -0300, pjp wrote: Exactly. I copied from a drive to a freshly formatted external. I simply dragged the "home" (e.g. D:\Music) folder to the new drive by holding right mouse button and when dropped choosing "Copy". I can't think of anyway it should then come up at the end asking if I wanted to overwrite some specific files. It's not relevant to this issue, but the right-click was unnecessary. "Copy" is the default action for dragging files to a different disk or partition, so it would have happened with a normal left-click-and- drag. I wonder if, without realizing it, you jiggled the mouse slightly at the wrong moment. A common problem is when selecting multiple files with Ctrl-click, one accidentally shifts the mouse slightly after clicking and creates copies of all the files. Not really possible circumstance. I always right click and drag because it's then explicit if you want to copy or move the target. I find Windows defaults to different actions depending upon circumstance so I have to think For cleanup, or if you just don't trust Windows copy, I recommend the free Karen's Replicator, which I've been using for several years: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp In the job settings, make sure to tell it to replicate deletions; that will delete any files on the destination disk that aren't on the source disk. Ok, finally have what appears to be an exact copy. I deleted the previous attempt on the destination drive, recreated a folder named Music and opened a command prompt. I then used "XCOPY S:\Music\*.* Q:\Music\*.* /E" and waited 8 hours for it to finish!!! In the end I had 56 files missing in the copy out of 70,000 files in original. I downloaded and used FileSync from SourgeForge which showed me the 56 files were jpg's created by WMP, e.g. AlbumArt...!!! I suspect they were marked read-only/hidden or whatever else surely the *.* in the xcopy command should have copied them also? In any case because I didn't want those files even present in either copy I opened up the original Music folder and typed *.jpg in the Search box. That listed the 56 files which I could then delete. The two folder now match filesize, # of files and # of folders according to the Properties of each. |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:38:23 -0300, pjp wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:32:11 -0300, pjp wrote: Exactly. I copied from a drive to a freshly formatted external. I simply dragged the "home" (e.g. D:\Music) folder to the new drive by holding right mouse button and when dropped choosing "Copy". I can't think of anyway it should then come up at the end asking if I wanted to overwrite some specific files. It's not relevant to this issue, but the right-click was unnecessary. "Copy" is the default action for dragging files to a different disk or partition, so it would have happened with a normal left-click-and- drag. I wonder if, without realizing it, you jiggled the mouse slightly at the wrong moment. A common problem is when selecting multiple files with Ctrl-click, one accidentally shifts the mouse slightly after clicking and creates copies of all the files. Not really possible circumstance. I always right click and drag because it's then explicit if you want to copy or move the target. I find Windows defaults to different actions depending upon circumstance so I have to think On a drag operation in Win 7, when Windows Explorer plans to copy, it adds a + to the banner (which also, BTW, explicitly says "Move" or "Copy"). That only helps if (1) you remember to look, and (2) you never slip (AKA "Oops!"). SNIP -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Next time just do it before you fall asleep. Obviously you couldn't just
copy and paste it you had to **** with it as it was copying. Just don't **** with it and it will copy and paste perfectly. pjp wrote: I have a couple of external hard disks connected, 2Tb & 500Gb. The 2Tb disk has a folder called Music on it with over 4000 folders within it, each folder is a cd/album. I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. At the end of it I received a query to copy 50+ files overwritting what was already there? ??? Why would it not have already copied them and/or what are they doing on the original disk in the first place if they have duplicate names? In any case, I answered Yes/Allow and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before also. The difference appears to be the same number of files. WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable in it's most basic of operations. Can't even be sure anymore copying files is done properly and sure didn't have things like long stalls etc. happen in XP but sure showed themselves starting with Vista. Often enough, you'd swear a hard disk has gone offline, e.g. 10-15+ second stalls before window is filled with file/folder listings etc. That's even sometimes simply double clicking on a drive icon in MY Computer to open a drive at the root level. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? I'm open to suggestions rather than manually searching each and every folder. P.S. I have Search etc. all turned off. -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laCZAR, ChuckCZAR!! I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer. UBB = User based bullFROGGING Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who. Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to turn schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue. Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy! Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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Is that you Chuck?
Don Phillipson wrote: "pjp" wrote in message ... . . . I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. . . . and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before . . . WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable We do not have to use MS tools (that nowadays conceal their parameters.) Tools like XXCOPY make all the parameters visible while automating long tasks, e.g. can display final results. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? How much does the 50/70,000 difference matter in practice, if you cannot locate the difference? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laCZAR, ChuckCZAR!! I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer. UBB = User based bullFROGGING Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who. Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to turn schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue. Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy! Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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Fortunately, W7 Search is pretty good!
Try searching the whole disk for filename *copy of*.* You will probably find all of them that way. Drag & Drop does not always perform as expected. I have not had problems with 'Copy to' or 'move to' in the EDIT Menu function. I share your lack of confidence... On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 04:25:42 -0300, pjp wrote: I have a couple of external hard disks connected, 2Tb & 500Gb. The 2Tb disk has a folder called Music on it with over 4000 folders within it, each folder is a cd/album. I just spent 6+ hours copying the folder to the freshly formatted 500Gb drive. It's slightly over 400Gb total. I did this by right clicking on the folder and drag/dropping it onto the second drive in the "root" folder and selecting Copy. At the end of it I received a query to copy 50+ files overwritting what was already there? ??? Why would it not have already copied them and/or what are they doing on the original disk in the first place if they have duplicate names? In any case, I answered Yes/Allow and then compared both folders on the two drives. They numbers coming back are not the same. The folder number is but the # of files is different. It appears somehow the original has duplicate filenames. I have seen this happen the odd time before also. The difference appears to be the same number of files. WTF - seems every version of Windows has become less reliable in it's most basic of operations. Can't even be sure anymore copying files is done properly and sure didn't have things like long stalls etc. happen in XP but sure showed themselves starting with Vista. Often enough, you'd swear a hard disk has gone offline, e.g. 10-15+ second stalls before window is filled with file/folder listings etc. That's even sometimes simply double clicking on a drive icon in MY Computer to open a drive at the root level. Now how the hell am I supposed to figure out where the 50+ "extra" files are on the original disk when there's something like 70,000+ total? I'm open to suggestions rather than manually searching each and every folder. P.S. I have Search etc. all turned off. John Ferrell W8CCW |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:35:11 -0400, John Ferrell
wrote: Drag & Drop does not always perform as expected. I have not had problems with 'Copy to' or 'move to' in the EDIT Menu function. People who have trouble with drag and drop should probably just use cut and paste. There's much less chance of mistakes that way. -- Char Jackson |
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